I just can't get into Breaking Bad

[BLS 314]

Another excellent episode last night.

 

Walt is getting desperate, he even resorted to trying to insult Jesse to get him to stay.

Desperate people do dumb things. Killing Mike was dumb, because he would never talk.

 

But now you have all of those people Mike was paying off, who are now going to talk for any deal they can make. They are tied to Mike, but Mike is no longer tied to Walt; other than through Jesse.

I see Walt having Todd off Jesse at some point, because I don't think he can do it himself. Although it's clear now that Walt doesn't care if other people are killed, as long as he gets what he wants.

 

I agree with TD on pretty much everything. Walt's 'drunk' with the love of power. Jesse can see it, and obviously wants out; money or not.

 

The show isn't gonna end (Walt will get arrested by his BIL) this season or even next season. So I expect some significant killing going on in the upcoming episodes.

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

Another excellent episode last night.

 

Walt is getting desperate, he even resorted to trying to insult Jesse to get him to stay.

Desperate people do dumb things. Killing Mike was dumb, because he would never talk.

 

But now you have all of those people Mike was paying off, who are now going to talk for any deal they can make. They are tied to Mike, but Mike is no longer tied to Walt; other than through Jesse.

I see Walt having Todd off Jesse at some point, because I don't think he can do it himself. Although it's clear now that Walt doesn't care if other people are killed, as long as he gets what he wants.

 

I agree with TD on pretty much everything. Walt's 'drunk' with the love of power. Jesse can see it, and obviously wants out; money or not.

 

The show isn't gonna end (Walt will get arrested by his BIL) this season or even next season. So I expect some significant killing going on in the upcoming episodes.

 

 

After next week's epi, there are only 8 episodes left (to air sometime next year)... period... definitely end of story. (Unless they do a movie)

[BLS 314]

After next week's epi, there are only 8 episodes left (to air sometime next year)... period... definitely end of story. (Unless they do a movie)

 

Really??????????????

 

That blows....there's SO much more that they could do with this show.

[TD Ryan2 316]

you know BLS - I thought killing Mike is actually brilliant from a criminal mind standpoint - Mike is the tie to the 9 guys in prison, the 9 guys we're worried about talking.

If you kill Mike, who do the 9 give the cops? That rich/corp woman (Lydia?)?

 

Walt is still a bit "behind the scenes" in the Gus world - nobody really knew who the cook was.

[parrot 789]

you know BLS - I thought killing Mike is actually brilliant from a criminal mind standpoint - Mike is the tie to the 9 guys in prison, the 9 guys we're worried about talking.

If you kill Mike, who do the 9 give the cops? That rich/corp woman (Lydia?)?

 

Walt is still a bit "behind the scenes" in the Gus world - nobody really knew who the cook was.

 

Wasn't one of the arrested guys the manager of the laundry that housed the SuperLab? I'm not sure but that seems like the case to me. If he was, he can certainly identify Walt and Jesse by sight at least.

 

Sorry to see Mike go, he was a great character. Nice to see Jesse wising up to how manipulative Walt really is again.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Wasn't one of the arrested guys the manager of the laundry that housed the SuperLab? I'm not sure but that seems like the case to me. If he was, he can certainly identify Walt and Jesse by sight at least.

yup. good point.

 

I also thought maybe Walt would eventually try to kill Jessie - Walt's ONLY leverage is his cook, and Walter now admits, Jessie can duplicate it.

[parrot 789]

yup. good point.

 

I also thought maybe Walt would eventually try to kill Jessie - Walt's ONLY leverage is his cook, and Walter now admits, Jessie can duplicate it.

 

Yeah. It didn't make much sense when Walt admitted to Declan and Co. that Jesse could nearly match his purity. I know he was trying to stroke Jesse's ego, but that wasn't the time or place. He has the methylamine, but his supposedly unique ability to cook that pure of a product is his trump card.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Yeah. It didn't make much sense when Walt admitted to Declan and Co. that Jesse could nearly match his purity. I know he was trying to stroke Jesse's ego, bu that wasn't the time or place. He has the methylamine, but his supposedly unique ability to cook that pure of a product is his trump card.

I can see them trying to woo Jesse (and now that he's on to Walt's power trip) teaming up to take Walt out.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I can see them trying to woo Jesse (and now that he's on to Walt's power trip) teaming up to take Walt out.

typical woman... thinking cutsie Deklan is any better than the guy that currently beats her... Deklan's no better than Walt, thank goodness Jessie has a mantennae and can figure this out for himself.

[BLS 314]

 

Yeah. It didn't make much sense when Walt admitted to Declan and Co. that Jesse could nearly match his purity. I know he was trying to stroke Jesse's ego, but that wasn't the time or place. He has the methylamine, but his supposedly unique ability to cook that pure of a product is his trump card.

 

Agreed. Dumb and unnecessary move.

[OldMaid 2,130]

typical woman... thinking cutsie Deklan is any better than the guy that currently beats her... Deklan's no better than Walt, thank goodness Jessie has a mantennae and can figure this out for himself.

That's not what I meant... I mean Jesse would team up with them for the sole purpose of getting Walt out (not that he has any desire to continue on in the drug business.)

[nobody 2,586]

I don't see how Deklan doesn't kill the whole lot them out there in the dessert. You get a monopoly on the meth business in the Southwest, a free 40 pounds of blue, and you save 5 million on Mike's severance. Hell, you could even grab Heisenberg and/or Jesse and force them to give up the recipe. Seemed like a b¡tch move agreeing to team up with Walt.

[parrot 789]

I don't see how Deklan doesn't kill the whole lot them out there in the dessert. You get a monopoly on the meth business in the Southwest, a free 40 pounds of blue, and you save 5 million on Mike's severance. Hell, you could even grab Heisenberg and/or Jesse and force them to give up the recipe. Seemed like a b¡tch move agreeing to team up with Walt.

 

I don't think they had the 40lbs with them, I think Walt said it was "ready to ship" or something to that effect.

 

There is some sense to Declan outsourcing his production to Walt; obviously you get a superior product, you no longer have to worry about procurement - getting methylamine can be an expensive and costly process, as we've seen. Walt has 1000 gallons so you're pretty well set there. You don't have to run your own labs, a major point of exposure for the whole enterprise, and you can cut loose (a.k.a. 'kill') your own cooking crews and seriously streamline your operation in the process. Maybe a b!tch move, but probably a pretty sensible one (if you can trust Walt).

[BLS 314]

Plus they were all scared of him when they realized he was the one who killed Gus.

 

There is clearly some unfinished business with Jesse that will come up soon....probably Todd will 'handle' that.

Walt will find a way next week to clean up the mess of the 9 families who will turn for a deal.

[nobody 2,586]

Plus they were all scared of him when they realized he was the one who killed Gus.

 

There is clearly some unfinished business with Jesse that will come up soon....probably Todd will 'handle' that.

Walt will find a way next week to clean up the mess of the 9 families who will turn for a deal.

 

I get the argument for not killing him, but him killing Gus doesn't mean much when you put a .45 to his temple and splatter his brains all over the road. I would have killed him as soon as he started that "Say my name" sh¡t. They're obviously making plenty of money without him.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure they said they brought the 40 pounds with them because as soon as he said it, I thought to myself, "How many reasons are you going to give him to kill you, Walt?"

[TD Ryan2 316]

Interesting Walt Whitman leaves of grass

 

And Walt's most famous line - I will not go quietly into that sweet night but RAGE.

[TD Ryan2 316]

And now clearly the difference between professionals and amateurs as Walter walks in the same coffee shop and looks every bit as out of place as the woman did the first time

[TD Ryan2 316]

OK - The Scorcese style killing montage is cinematically a bit overdone - but maybe that's why they used it to prove that without a doubt Walt is now a mob boss

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

Last nights episode was interesting...... But I thought Jesse would have had something more to end his storyline.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Each week has had some very powerful and memorable cenes and Skylar has been in a lot of them lately:

 

- dinner scene w Jessie skylar and Walt - did he mention my affair too Jessie?

- skylars I'm just waiting for u to die scene

- and last nights storage vault scene - how much is enough? I cant count it all and I can't possibly launder it all even with 10 car washes

 

She is going to take in Emmys ala Edie Falco.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,173]

Not your fault dude. THere are plenty of shows I can't get into.

Breaking Bad is one of them.

I never liked Sopranos.

Only saw about 10 episodes of The Wire and didn't really get into it too.

If you dont like those shows which ones do you like? Little hoise on the prairie? Dr quinn medicine woman? 2 girls one cup??

 

In regards to the op, i think the acting is superb by all members. Jessy can seem a little too twitchy at times but overall i think he does a great job. The series gets much more chaotic and awesome as it goes on. There is probably 1 more section with a few episodes that drag a bit but its always leading up to something big. Just watch it through. Odds are you will learn to love it for how unique it is.

[TD Ryan2 316]

even as a Breaking Bad fanatic - I'll defend Ricey here...

 

I didn't like Breaking Bad at first. Bought the first season on disc and just couldn't get into it initially - I didn't like Walt or Jessie and couldn't muster up any empathy or connection for either of them so the show just didn't connect with me immediately.

 

Same for The Wire - I have since watched the first three seasons of The Wire and liked them. I have the fourth season but I haven't been gung-ho to start the it... if I recall, it's the season after the dock workers (was dock workers the 3rd?). Initially, I thought The Wire was trying to be too street savvy and jargonny for its own good - it was "just another cop show" to me at first but worse b/c it was trying too hard to be authentic with its street thugs and their unintelligible dialogue.

 

I was wrong about Breaking Bad - maybe best show ever.

I was mostly wrong about The Wire too - but it's not in the "greatest show ever" discussion for me.

[TD Ryan2 316]

but more on the season finale...

 

The dinner party at the end - Walt told Skylar he's out, the group (Walt, Sky, Hank, Marie) are all sitting around having drinks... it should be a return to normal, it should be a casual/easy/boring scene... but it isn't; I was on the edge of my seat, I was waiting for someone/something to jump out on them or drop a bomb on them - the law? criminals? other drug dealers? Lydia? God-knows-what - this HAS to be how Skylar feels every minute of her life and maybe Walt too, but maybe that's how we know Walt is fully converted, he no longer feels this way or worries about it, he's a "Gus" now.

And the magic of Breaking Bad is taking the seemingly ordinary and mundane (i.e the dinner party, the fast food chicken store, the car wash) and making it anything BUT - it's why BB is so real and believable; it's not Scarface driving around in red Ferrari's, it's not even the archetypical Tony Soprano and Crew sitting around the goomba butcher shop by day and strip joint by night.

 

And for RicemanX, this is probably why you didn't like Breaking Bad at first - it's "boring", boring mundane people, bland/dry desert scenery, even Walt's car is the most boring, unappealing vehicle - so on the surface, yes, I can see that BB doesn't seem exciting or entertaining - but what happens behind all those boring facades is the gem and it's why the show feels so real, that in combination with terrific writing that has a well thought out story arc.

[OldMaid 2,130]

All in all, I thought it was a little anti-climatic for the season finale-right up until the last scene. I love how they didn't have to even do anything, and the tension kept building.

 

I was a little disappointed in the scene with Jesse... I know he found out about Walt killing all the legacy guys in prison, but I just can't see him ever being that afraid of Walt. (At least not yet) It seemed rushed to me... I thnk they could have done a better job of building that fear up in Jesse for us-instead of going from annoyance that Walt didn't want to let him out, to out and out panic stricken terror after Walt's final visit.

 

I really hope that when they say it was the last episode of 2012, that they are planning to bring the show back for the final 8, in early 2013, instead of making us wait until next summer.

 

Oh yeah, and please, please, please kill Skylar!

[The Moz 69]

Nope next summer

[TD Ryan2 316]

All in all, I thought it was a little anti-climatic for the season finale-right up until the last scene. I love how they didn't have to even do anything, and the tension kept building.

 

I was a little disappointed in the scene with Jesse... I know he found out about Walt killing all the legacy guys in prison, but I just can't see him ever being that afraid of Walt. (At least not yet) It seemed rushed to me... I thnk they could have done a better job of building that fear up in Jesse for us-instead of going from annoyance that Walt didn't want to let him out, to out and out panic stricken terror after Walt's final visit.

 

I really hope that when they say it was the last episode of 2012, that they are planning to bring the show back for the final 8, in early 2013, instead of making us wait until next summer.

 

Oh yeah, and please, please, please kill Skylar!

 

1. not sure they consider it a "season finale" as much as the viewers do (or wanted it to be).

 

2. Was Jessie afraid of Walt? Maybe so, no saying that's not the case, but I just see it as Jessie is shattered - mentally, emotionally - Jessie is already a casualty in all of this. After he got the money, he collapsed in a mental breakdown - he was ready to shoot himself with that gun - he doesn't want or care about the money, the meth, Walt, anything... Jessie is just broken and empty, empty of joy and fear - there is simply nothing left of him right now. That's the price he paid for all of this. His old street buddies see him as "big time" now much the way so many do Walt/Heisenberg, but at what cost?

[CantTouchThis 23]

The dinner party at the end - Walt told Skylar he's out, the group (Walt, Sky, Hank, Marie) are all sitting around having drinks... it should be a return to normal, it should be a casual/easy/boring scene... but it isn't; I was on the edge of my seat, I was waiting for someone/something to jump out on them or drop a bomb on them - the law? criminals? other drug dealers? Lydia? \

 

I was doing the EXACT same thing. Fully expected some kind of sh1t to hit the fan in that scene. Then when Hank went in the bathroom, I knew he would find something for sure. I was thinking a bit of the blue or some money or something. That was a really interesting way to go out. BTW, the quote in the book was written by Gale to Walt and initialed G.B. in case you didn't catch it(I had to pause it). I THINK it was the same quote.

 

No way Walt is truly out. He is in way too deep. It is making a lot of dangerous people too much money. They won't let him just walk away. I am thinking the tables will turn on Walt in the second half of the last season. That is why he buys the guns.

 

We DEFINITELY haven't seen the last of Jesse yet. He'll be there till the end.

[parrot 789]

What a great episode. The prison killing spree and the "Crystal Blue Persuasion" montage is some of the best stuff they have done. Pretty greta how Hank finally figured things out, since he's been sh!tting up this investigation since day 1.

[TD Ryan2 316]

So what's this all mean for Hank - pretty embarrassing for him that Walt is the guy he's been chasing all along.

Is there any chance Hank doesn't go hard at Walt? Either bc he's family or bc it doesn't really help Hanks career or ego?

[parrot 789]

So what's this all mean for Hank - pretty embarrassing for him that Walt is the guy he's been chasing all along.

Is there any chance Hank doesn't go hard at Walt? Either bc he's family or bc it doesn't really help Hanks career or ego?

 

There's also the wrinkle that Hank, unbeknownest to him, has actually benefitted from Walt's meth business.

[kutulu 1,661]

Hanks's gonna be the new Mike.

[TD Ryan2 316]

There's also the wrinkle that Hank, unbeknownest to him, has actually benefitted from Walt's meth business.

yup - paid all his medical bills, which he never would have had to begin with but in the end, HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID!!!!!

 

the show has drawn some interesting lines between good/bad, who's good, what's bad, how bad people become good (Jessie) and good become bad (Walt).

Hank and Marie have been pretty repulsive people from the beginning, not criminals but unappealing people to know and socialize with. Hank is one decision away from becoming THE most loathsome guy on the show -- bad from a personality standpoint, bad from a character/integrity standpoint, and bad from a competency standpoint.

[Herbivore 1,119]

yup - paid all his medical bills, which he never would have had to begin with but in the end, HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID!!!!!

 

the show has drawn some interesting lines between good/bad, who's good, what's bad, how bad people become good (Jessie) and good become bad (Walt).

Hank and Marie have been pretty repulsive people from the beginning, not criminals but unappealing people to know and socialize with. Hank is one decision away from becoming THE most loathsome guy on the show -- bad from a personality standpoint, bad from a character/integrity standpoint, and bad from a competency standpoint.

 

Don't agree about your assessment on Hank at all. Bad personality, sure, but integrity? competency? You are not separating you watching with what Hank would see.

[The Moz 69]

Show ends as Walt kills Hank then in guilt kills himself.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Don't agree about your assessment on Hank at all. Bad personality, sure, but integrity? competency? You are not separating you watching with what Hank would see.

Herb - you gots some spanglish at the end there so I don't know exactly what you mean but for the most part, yeah, you're right.

Hank's a pretty intuitive drug cop and seems like he takes that whole loyalty/honor military angle to heart too. I don't know that his integrity has ever been tested, has it? His competency has though and you're right, he's an ass hole but he's good at what he does.

[kutulu 1,661]

Herb - you gots some spanglish at the end there so I don't know exactly what you mean but for the most part, yeah, you're right.

Hank's a pretty intuitive drug cop and seems like he takes that whole loyalty/honor military angle to heart too. I don't know that his integrity has ever been tested, has it? His competency has though and you're right, he's an ass hole but he's good at what he does.

 

He did beat the sh1t out of those scumbags in the bar one time for no good reason and he also put the beatdown on Jessy.

[cbfalcon 825]

The Overall story is great and obviously I am sucked in, but what a poorly written season.

 

First off, this show spent 4 seasons being intelligent and subtle. Give your audience some credit. We know through Walt's actions that he is now fully evil. We don't need whistling, shadowy lighting in backseats, and cheesy bad guy action movie lines in each episode to make what is obvious to us more obvious to us.

 

And this finale was so rushed that it didn't even make sense to me.

 

I didn't even pick up on Jesse supposedly being so afraid of Walt. I just assumed he grabbed the gun just in case he had to use it because Walt is nuts. Talk about undeveloped storylines.

 

And we get a whole season of lines like "I'm in the empire business" after Jesse explains to Walt that they can walk away with millions. Walt more than made it clear what his plan was..then Walt sees a stack of money in storage and immediately decides he can quit now? Where the fuuck did that come from? And how?

 

And for those thinking he isn't really wanting out. Normally I'd agree except this season has been so sloppy.

 

From season 1 until episode 8 of season 5, Walter went from relative good guy to pure evil that could honestly give a shiit less about his family. Then in the span of 1 episode, they are going to go from the Godfather-esque murder montage to Walt just wanting to be out of it all and wanting his family again. Turning soft on Jesse and giving Skyler what she wants and quitting sure points that direction.

 

And the reason to do it from a story telling point of view is obvious. It's to up the stakes emotionally as Walt possibly goes down here in the 2nd half of the season. If so, WTF? The guy was pure evil 30 minutes ago and you spent 4.5 seasons illustrating to us that he was going that way and not coming back. WTF?

 

But at least there was some solid story telling in terms of Hank learning the truth. They didn't rush that at least. Oh wait, you mean Hank opened a book and saw the exact thing he needed to see to let him figure out everything in less than 10' seconds time? And the super genius Walter White who is super diligent and thinks of everything just left that book on his toilet? Cool.

 

I hate to say it, but it looks to me like the writers are screwing up the story telling very badly this season. Hopefully I am wrong, but it's not looking good.

 

Sorry it any of this is incoherent at almost 2am.

[Giants Fan 85]

I missed some episodes.

 

I don't want to read this whole thread, because I might catch those on Netflix or something one day, but I can't stop from watching the current ones. So, I'm kinda caught up to what's going on. Is that it? Is that the end of this season? Big pile of money?

 

 

WTF is the book? I couldn't read what it said. What is the book on top of the toilet about?

[kutulu 1,661]

I missed some episodes.

 

I don't want to read this whole thread, because I might catch those on Netflix or something one day, but I can't stop from watching the current ones. So, I'm kinda caught up to what's going on. Is that it? Is that the end of this season? Big pile of money?

 

 

WTF is the book? I couldn't read what it said. What is the book on top of the toilet about?

 

Book from Gale with note to W.W. Allowed Hank to start to put it together.

[JackARoot 2]

I'm thinking Jr. is going to become an addict before the show ends...