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Obama executing American citizens without giving them a trial.

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Just offet Al Alwahi and another American in Yeman using drones.

 

At least he didn't send them to Gitmo. That would be cruel and get his lefty base pixxed off.

 

You're the Lynndie England of FFToday. :wall:

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the police (CIA, FBI, etc) are allowed to kill dangerous people who are in the act of committing a crime.

 

 

 

planning al qaeda stuff is a crime

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the police (CIA, FBI, etc) are allowed to kill dangerous people who are in the act of committing a crime.

 

 

 

planning al qaeda stuff is a crime

 

No they're not.

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the police (CIA, FBI, etc) are allowed to kill dangerous people who are in the act of committing a crime.

 

 

 

planning al qaeda stuff is a crime

I guess those cops in Cali shoulda just filled ol' Rodney King full of holes and avoided all the contraversy. I bet they feel silly for not knowing the rules like you.

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Yes!! We need a badass like Obama in there. THIS is why we haven't had a 9-11 under his watch.

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You're not happy this piece of garbage is dead?

 

Also he was a legit target - Google Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists.

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So, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law only applies to American's that Obama approves of.

 

Not sure I want to go down that road.

 

 

Was Osama Bin Laden given a trial? Were those killed in ALL other wars given a trial.

 

RP - I have said this before. I'm a Republican, but you my friend are over the top and real annoying to boot. Lastly, you make it real difficult for other bored Repubs to get any credibility with your antics.

 

Nuff said. :wave:

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Was Osama Bin Laden given a trial? Were those killed in ALL other wars given a trial.

 

RP - I have said this before. I'm a Republican, but you my friend are over the top and real annoying to boot. Lastly, you make it real difficult for other bored Repubs to get any credibility with your antics.

 

Nuff said. :wave:

Osama wasn't a US citizen.

 

I have no problem passing a law that strips citizenship from these fukkwads as soon as they join the enemy. Then they are fair game. Right now there are questions as to the legality of killing US citizens.

 

You either live by the Constitution or you don't.

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Osama wasn't a US citizen.

 

I have no problem passing a law that strips citizenship from these fukkwads as soon as they join the enemy. Then they are fair game. Right now there are questions as to the legality of killing US citizens.

 

You either live by the Constitution or you don't.

 

 

I see that point. In all seriousness...If a republican President did the same would you be all jacked up or write it off as a job well done in removing a terrorist? :unsure:

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I see that point. In all seriousness...If a republican President did the same would you be all jacked up or write it off as a job well done in removing a terrorist? :unsure:

We don't live under one Constitution when a Rep is in the WH and another Constitution when a dem is in the WH.

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If Obama says that "pillows should be soft," RP would spend the rest of his life sleeping on a brick.

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We don't live under one Constitution when a Rep is in the WH and another Constitution when a dem is in the WH.

 

So I take it if I did a search I would find a whole bunch of threads started by you in vehement opposition of the Patriot Act?

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So I take it if I did a search I would find a whole bunch of threads started by you in vehement opposition of the Patriot Act?

Bump. Where did RP go? lol

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So I take it if I did a search I would find a whole bunch of threads started by you in vehement opposition of the Patriot Act?

Nope. You would find I supported it.

 

You would also find that it's Constitutionslity was challenged and it was upheld.

 

Next?

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Nope. You would find I supported it.

 

You would also find that it's Constitutionslity was challenged and it was upheld.

 

Next?

 

So before it was upheld, you were against it as being unconstitutional?

 

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists:

 

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

 

Signed by George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

 

It kinda seems like these killings fall under this resolution. And it doesn't say anything about citizenship or trials or anything in it. It also says that the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States. Weird.

 

Thanks Arnie.

 

Also, if this resolution someday gets challenged and is upheld by the Supreme Court, will you then openly support what Obama has been doing?

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When a law is passed that contradicts the Constitution the Constitution supercedes the law.

 

I'm questioning whether the due process protections of the Constitution were violated. As I said earlier, pass a law to strip these fukktards of their citizenship and blow them away all day everyday. Giving the govt a free pass to kill Americans without question is not a good idea, IMO.

 

Enemy combatants from other countries should have zero Constitutional protections, yet this administration has been trying to give them these protections. Now they ignore the protections for US citizens.

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When a law is passed that contradicts the Constitution the Constitution supercedes the law.

 

I'm questioning whether the due process protections of the Constitution were violated. As I said earlier, pass a law to strip these fukktards of their citizenship and blow them away all day everyday. Giving the govt a free pass to kill Americans without question is not a good idea, IMO.

 

Enemy combatants from other countries should have zero Constitutional protections, yet this administration has been trying to give them these protections. Now they ignore the protections for US citizens.

 

So you concede that what Obama is doing is perfectly legal under legislation, which to date has not been challenged as being unconstitutional, passed by both houses of Congress and signed by George W. Bush right?

 

I agree that the government having a free pass to kill Americans without due process is a little bit scary. But this whole terrorism thingy is a bit different and extraordinary circumstances, which is why I'm assuming George W legislated many of these acts and resolutions. Due process is probably not going to be effective in dealing with al-Qaeda... considering they hide in caves and stuff. Serving them their court orders is a little bit difficult. And it is being treated as a war and military action instead of normal criminal justice, due to the fact that they kind of declared war on us and followed it up with knocking a few civilian skyscrapers down.

 

The whole point was.... that if Bush was doing this, you probably wouldn't be out here b!tching and moaning about the constitution and would be giving the guy a standing ovation. And the facts point to this all being made possible by Bush legislation.

 

As to your last point... last time I checked, we've been taking these mofos out regardless of their nationality for months now, starting with bin Laden. So I really don't get your point.

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It'll be interesting to see how the GOP candidates play this. On the one hand, Paul is the only one who honestly gives a sh1t about the constitution or the rule of law so you'd figure they're on board with the government sanctioned assassination of US citizens. On the other hand, they have no principles or morals and this is an opportunity to cry like a bunch of sobbing beetches about Obummer! :mad:

 

My guess is they mostly go the jellyfish / RP way and start crying. Either that or they continue to have no public foreign policy at all.

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As to your last point... last time I checked, we've been taking these mofos out regardless of their nationality for months now, starting with bin Laden. So I really don't get your point.

His point has nothing to do with al-Awaki or Bush or the Patriot Act or killing terrorists.

 

His point is that whatever Obama does, that thing is automatically wrong.

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His point has nothing to do with al-Awaki or Bush or the Patriot Act or killing terrorists.

 

His point is that whatever Obama does, that thing is automatically wrong.

I question the wisdom of giving the govt free reign to kill it's citizens.

 

Methinks you have been in China too long.

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I question the wisdom of giving the govt free reign to kill it's citizens.

 

Sure you do. Should've thought of that before your hero the Great Decider paved the way for this sh1t. :doh:

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I agree that the government having a free pass to kill Americans without due process is a little bit scary. But this whole terrorism thingy is a bit different and extraordinary circumstances,

 

 

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

-- Ben Franklin

 

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My last point refers to Obama trying to prosecute the fukkwads in Gitmo in our civilian courts.

 

Guess you missed that.

 

You are aware that in 2008 the US Supreme Court ruled that Gitmo prisoners were protected under the US Constitution right? Was that Obummer again? Maybe he was filling in that day as one of the Chief Justices?

 

The practices at Gitmo have been criticized and investigated under INTERNATIONAL LAW as violation of the Geneva Conventions. The Bush administration tried to dance their way around the whole issue by saying the detainees weren't soldiers; it didn't fly. It has caused much embarrassment for the US in the international media and with the UN. The current administration is trying to rectify the situation. Like it or not, killing enemies in a war is OK, torturing them or exposing them to inhumane conditions if captured is not. And it's all pointless anyway because it has nothing to do with Obummer, the Supreme Court ruled they were protected under the Constitution before he was even elected President. :dunno:

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Srike, when an American citizen who is not a terrorist gets killed by a drone by order of the President, you can talk to me about Ben Franklin. Until then I don't think I give a fock.

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Srike, when an American citizen who is not a terrorist gets killed by a drone by order of the President, you can talk to me about Ben Franklin. Until then I don't think I give a fock.

 

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, that seems to be the popular opinion on this issue. It saddens me for our country.

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I question the wisdom of giving the govt free reign to kill it's citizens.

 

Methinks you have been in China too long.

I realize al-Awaki may not have filled out and submitted the correct forms to the proper authorities, but I think it's safe to say that by consorting with the enemy of the US, publically inciting violence, and promoting acts of violence on American soil against American citizens, that guy had pretty much renounced his citizenship.

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You are aware that in 2008 the US Supreme Court ruled that Gitmo prisoners were protected under the US Constitution right? Was that Obummer again? Maybe he was filling in that day as one of the Chief Justices?

 

The practices at Gitmo have been criticized and investigated under INTERNATIONAL LAW as violation of the Geneva Conventions. The Bush administration tried to dance their way around the whole issue by saying the detainees weren't soldiers; it didn't fly. It has caused much embarrassment for the US in the international media and with the UN. The current administration is trying to rectify the situation. Like it or not, killing enemies in a war is OK, torturing them or exposing them to inhumane conditions if captured is not. And it's all pointless anyway because it has nothing to do with Obummer, the Supreme Court ruled they were protected under the Constitution before he was even elected President. :dunno:

And military tribunals were put in place to deal with gitmo detainees. They get a fair trial without having all our methods in the war on terrorism exposed. Also much less expensive, given the amount if security that would be required to try them in NYC.

 

How did those investigations about the Geneva Conventions turn out?

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Sure you do. Should've thought of that before your hero the Great Decider paved the way for this sh1t. :doh:

Well, I thought the Defacto Dictator was a different kind of politician and would end all things Bush did. :doh:

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And military tribunals were put in place to deal with gitmo detainees. They get a fair trial without having all our methods in the war on terrorism exposed. Also much less expensive, given the amount if security that would be required to try them in NYC.

 

How did those investigations about the Geneva Conventions turn out?

 

Perhaps based on the track record of that particular facility, it would look better in the international view to ensure they were in fact receiving fair trials.

 

Personally, I disagree with this. But I can see why the administration may want to go to such lengths. But then again, I'm not filled with seething hatred of our government and don't wear partisan blinders. :dunno:

 

I still don't know what Gitmo has to do with this al-Awaki dood. He was treated no differently than any of the other fockwads on the kill list who have been receiving drones up their asses. I guess it's just the normal spin.

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I realize al-Awaki may not have filled out and submitted the correct forms to the proper authorities, but I think it's safe to say that by consorting with the enemy of the US, publically inciting violence, and promoting acts of violence on American soil against American citizens, that guy had pretty much renounced his citizenship.

 

:lol: Yeppers.

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RP and Strike are card carrying members of the ACLU ... it's amazing.

 

Sometimes I'm glad the ACLU is there to look at things- because sometimes they actually raise a good point. But it's high profile cases such as this that make them too embarrassing to be around.

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Well, I thought the Defacto Dictator was a different kind of politician and would end all things Bush did. :doh:

 

Actually he's kinda doing exactly what he said he was going to on this matter while he was campaigning. :dunno:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpCBpTbEds

 

Take out al-Qaeda. Surge in Afghanistan. He was very clear about it, including going into Pakistan without their permission to kill terrorists if they had them in their sights.

 

This is one of the things you can't criticize him on swaying away from his campaign promises... he's doing it. And I think everyone should be :banana: not b!tching. Every one of them he takes out, takes us one step closer to safety from future attacks.

 

But I must admit I am getting a good :lol: at RP turning into a libtard right before our eyes. Talking about due process and fair trials for terrorists. It's giving me the giggles.

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