donhaas 19 Posted October 17, 2011 This thread cracks me up. People seriously drafted Finley as the #1 overall TE based on his own smack talk? Lol, I love the guy, and he is a piece of work but he has a huge head and anyone that has watched a Packers game over the past couple years should quickly realize that there is no way Finely will ever put up consistent numbers. He'll have his break out games - and I would guess he has a few more monster games this season, but the Pack is more than happy to have him double teamed and running as a decoy in order to open up the rest of their offense. Rodgers will never force feed him the ball all game long, he has too many other matchups to exploit when the defense decides to take away Finley. This ^^^ Rodgers has been completely gashing defenses since the Bear game... and well, before, the Bear game... It won't be long before a defense turns their attention away from Finley... and then voila a "fluke" monster game...Finley can't be covered one-on-one. I'm not letting Finley off the hook... he's had some big drops... touchdown pass and a long 3rd and 17 play last week.... both hit him between the 8 and 8. but this thread is dumb TEs are fickle positions... RedTodd was creaming over Gronkowski as the greatest fantasy tight end to ever play the game a few weeks ago... Since then - 1 point, 3 points, 6 points... I didn't see the Gronkowski sucks thread, though.... maybe you're all racist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_future420 3 Posted October 17, 2011 Just traded him for Gates. I know Gates is banged up, but he should be coming back this week and has already has his bye. Im 2-4 anyway and 2 games out of the last playoff spot and just need a shakeup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 148 Posted October 17, 2011 Happily sitting with Graham and Hernandez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,454 Posted October 17, 2011 Blame the Rams defense for not being able to stop Jennings, Jordy, James Jones, and Driver. Kind of hard for Finley to get catches and touchdowns when Rodgers throws hit to his wide receivers who are open and walk into the end zone on every drive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elaw77 0 Posted October 17, 2011 I drafted finley in the 7th round of my 10 teamer. I thought it was going to be the steal of the draft...but that belongs to fast Freddie(who I also drafted). I think people are forgetting 2 things. 1) finley has been dropping passes left and right. Rodgers even made note of it after last weeks game. 2) finley started whining about not being thrown to 2 weeks back. And Rodgers had to remind him that it's a team game. So my theory is...finley should see an increase in production from here on out only if he shows better hands and stops bitching. I am optimistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,332 Posted October 17, 2011 He's 5th overall TEs.... tiny percentage points from 4th... His projections by everybody was 4th or 5th going into the season.... Do you guys beiotch when the weatherman predicts 78 degrees and it ends up being 77, too?? Hello noob to fantasy football. Is that really your analysis? If a guy scored 150 points in one game but then averaged 2 over the span of the rest of the season finally ending as the top rated player, is his season a success? No. When you plan a vacation because the weather man predicts 80 and sunny every day, the first day hes right but every other day its 45 and rainy, will you bich even though he was right on for the first day? Yeah thought would, and dont lie to yourself, its not cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 17, 2011 I drafted finley in the 7th round of my 10 teamer. I thought it was going to be the steal of the draft...but that belongs to fast Freddie(who I also drafted). I think people are forgetting 2 things. 1) finley has been dropping passes left and right. Rodgers even made note of it after last weeks game. 2) finley started whining about not being thrown to 2 weeks back. And Rodgers had to remind him that it's a team game. So my theory is...finley should see an increase in production from here on out only if he shows better hands and stops bitching. I am optimistic. Rodgers called Finley out for running wrong routes, too... If someone wants to critique Finley, I'm right there with you.... But if you want to say he's fat, slow, can't get open, sucks, you're going to bench/drop him.... well then you're probably too stupid to be playing fantasy football... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted October 17, 2011 but this thread is dumb TEs are fickle positions... RedTodd was creaming over Gronkowski as the greatest fantasy tight end to ever play the game a few weeks ago... Since then - 1 point, 3 points, 6 points... I didn't see the Gronkowski sucks thread, though.... maybe you're all racist? Actually - Gronky also SUCKS. He had his 2-3 big games and is now DONE. Typical Pats.... ruining fantasy football, one WR/TE at a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted October 17, 2011 I feel your Finley pain - In one of my leagues I took him in the 5th thinking he'd be the next Gates. His production has been spotty - boom or bust. I too picked up Graham and have been happy with him thus far. side note to donhass: You really don't have to jump into every thread to defend your beloved packers. Everyone knows they're 6-0. Finley is a freak specimen athlete with great skills. And he's still underperforming relative to draft position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 17, 2011 side note to donhass: You really don't have to jump into every thread to defend your beloved packers. True. There's just an incredible amount of misinformation and stupidity in this thread -- That Finley is slow, fat, soft, can't get open, etc.. I would stick with Finley, though... TDs will come... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted October 17, 2011 finley is ripped. he could be a body builder. but he has hands of stone. now close this thread up. move along here. nothing to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Texans 10 Posted October 17, 2011 Tony from my FF League? Is that you? OK... Finley is a bust.... And you obviously want to cut your losses and trade him for somebody similar to him... Let me look at comparable ranked guys.... I will give you Dustin Keller... or Greg Olsen... Owen Daniels? Pick one guy and we'll make a virtual trade and we'll track them from here on out... I get the flukey (fat?), slow guy -- Finley... TIA! No, not Tony. I think Finley is a freakish talent, but it is clear that Rodgers isn't going to rely on any 1 receiver consistently, and that Finley will not consistently put up great numbers. Until he puts up multiple TD games more than once, that game was a fluke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 17, 2011 No, not Tony. I think Finley is a freakish talent, but it is clear that Rodgers isn't going to rely on any 1 receiver consistently, and that Finley will not consistently put up great numbers. Until he puts up multiple TD games more than once, that game was a fluke. So do you want Greg "Consistency" Olsen then? I will take the fat, slow, soft "flukey" guy from ya... I will throw in a six-pack of Surly Furious just to sweeten the deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted October 17, 2011 atleast you's aint dealing with having drafted gates in the 4th! grass is always greener somewhere else... (I've got both of them in different leagues, and both in teh same league where I was planning on using one of them at flex!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,332 Posted October 17, 2011 @donhaas read the last post i made and see who i quoted, he is the real moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Noob 10 Posted October 18, 2011 Its been said once in the thread but everyone chose to ignore it for some reason so, "How many points are you really expecting out of your TE each week?" He is putting up typical TE numbers but has a chance to give you a couple TD's in any given week. Personally, I kind of treat the position like defense anything over a handful of points is pure bonus. There was a lot of hype in the FF world on Finley and it did not all come from him, several "experts" had mancrushes. I jumped on him in the fifth round in a couple leagues and am none too pleased with his production but with that offense he can put up 2 TD's in any given week an no one would be really suprised. Not sure what else you could possibly want out of a TE if you didnt manage to get Witten or Graham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted October 18, 2011 I have been playing the Gronk Finley musical chairs. Should have traded him away after his 3 TD fluke game. I had Gronk/Finley too. Dealt Finley after that 3 TD week........for crazy azz Brandon Marshall. Not a great WR but then again, Finley hasn't been great since that game either. Is that canadian dollars? Are you Finleys mommy? Or are you the SOFT fata$s himself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
da_mane_man 1 Posted October 18, 2011 Its been said once in the thread but everyone chose to ignore it for some reason so, "How many points are you really expecting out of your TE each week?" He is putting up typical TE numbers but has a chance to give you a couple TD's in any given week. Personally, I kind of treat the position like defense anything over a handful of points is pure bonus. There was a lot of hype in the FF world on Finley and it did not all come from him, several "experts" had mancrushes. I jumped on him in the fifth round in a couple leagues and am none too pleased with his production but with that offense he can put up 2 TD's in any given week an no one would be really suprised. Not sure what else you could possibly want out of a TE if you didnt manage to get Witten or Graham. well you drafted him in the 4th/5th round for WR numbers. no one got finley with a late round pick. he was as high as he was cause people were expecting more than "typical TE numbers". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted October 18, 2011 well you drafted him in the 4th/5th round for WR numbers. no one got finley with a late round pick. he was as high as he was cause people were expecting more than "typical TE numbers". Exactly. He was supposed to be special. He has plenty of WR to keep him from getting keyed on. Guys like Gates Gonzo and Whitten would have killed to have the supporting cast in the passing game at the beginning of their careers yet they dominated still Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Texans 10 Posted October 18, 2011 So do you want Greg "Consistency" Olsen then? I will take the fat, slow, soft "flukey" guy from ya... I will throw in a six-pack of Surly Furious just to sweeten the deal. Where the hell did I say he was fat, slow, or soft? He has ONE (correction 2) career multiple TD games out of 30. That is the definition of a fluke. Maybe if you took your lips off of his @$$, you'd be able to recognize that he is more hype than production. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zmanzzzz 1 Posted October 18, 2011 Hello noob to fantasy football. Is that really your analysis? If a guy scored 150 points in one game but then averaged 2 over the span of the rest of the season finally ending as the top rated player, is his season a success? No. When you plan a vacation because the weather man predicts 80 and sunny every day, the first day hes right but every other day its 45 and rainy, will you bich even though he was right on for the first day? Yeah thought would, and dont lie to yourself, its not cool. hes a dombass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 0 Posted October 19, 2011 I drafted finley in the 7th round of my 10 teamer. I thought it was going to be the steal of the draft...but that belongs to fast Freddie(who I also drafted). I think people are forgetting 2 things. 1) finley has been dropping passes left and right. Rodgers even made note of it after last weeks game. 2) finley started whining about not being thrown to 2 weeks back. And Rodgers had to remind him that it's a team game. So my theory is...finley should see an increase in production from here on out only if he shows better hands and stops bitching. I am optimistic. Fred Jackson isn't fast, that nickname is bugging me out and has to go. He's agile, has good vision but far from fast. As for the thread...everyone pretty much summed up my thoughts. Rodgers will only throw to those who are open. Finely will eventually not get as much attention and blow up once again. Good luck predicting when the hell that'll happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted October 19, 2011 He sucks. GB is becoming like the Saints. YOu can't trust anyone but Rodgers. Finley is on my bench in favor of Jimmy Graham for the rest of the year. Greg Jennings is going to be on it in favor of Victor Cruz if he doesn't shape up And if you bench Jennings for anybody, especially Cruz, you are an idiot. He's been going off all season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 19, 2011 Where the hell did I say he was fat, slow, or soft? He has ONE (correction 2) career multiple TD games out of 30. That is the definition of a fluke. Maybe if you took your lips off of his @$$, you'd be able to recognize that he is more hype than production. Fat, slow, soft were all quotes from your fellow Finley-bashing retards... More hype than production? He was listed as four or five on all the experts sheets (Including fourth on the great FFToday Geek Consensus Rankings).... So sitting currently at #5 amongst TEs he is about equal hype and production.... Lips on his ass? Of all the stupid posts in this thread (and there are many) I was the only one pointing out that he is dropping passes and running dumb ass routes.... Listen, Corky.... Lets just revisit this thread later in the year.... I can't handle any more stupid :wall: If Finley is out of the top-20, I will admit that he is a fluke. It's stupid to keep discussing this now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Texans 10 Posted October 19, 2011 Fat, slow, soft were all quotes from your fellow Finley-bashing retards... Those aren't my quotes. I don't claim that you said Finley is the greatest TE of all time, even though your "fellow Finley-[loving] retards" have posted that. Don't make sh!t up becaue you can't engage in a real debate. More hype than production? He was listed as four or five on all the experts sheets (Including fourth on the great FFToday Geek Consensus Rankings).... So sitting currently at #5 amongst TEs he is about equal hype and production.... Again, stop making stuff up. He is currently 8th (not 5th) on a ppg basis, when you use the scoring method that were used for the Geek Consensus rankings. And when a TE is the 2nd TE drafted, with an ADP in the 4th round, and he is a low-end TE1, he is more hype than production. Lips on his ass? Of all the stupid posts in this thread (and there are many) I was the only one pointing out that he is dropping passes and running dumb ass routes.... You're also the one who keeps making excuses for him (including making stuff up/manipulating facts & stats) because you have no real facts to support him. If Finley is out of the top-20, I will admit that he is a fluke. Oh, that's ballsy If a pre-season top-4 TE isn't a weak TE2, then you'll admit he is a fluke. Lots of faith you've got in your guy there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 19, 2011 Again, stop making stuff up. He is currently 8th (not 5th) on a ppg basis, when you use the scoring method that were used for the Geek Consensus rankings. And when a TE is the 2nd TE drafted, with an ADP in the 4th round, and he is a low-end TE1, he is more hype than production. Jimmy Graham, NO T 88.4 Rob Gronkowski, 73.1 Jason Witten, Dal TE 59.4 Tony Gonzalez, 55.8 Jermichael Finley, 50.1 Greg Olsen, Car TE 48.2 He's 5th in most standard scoring leagues... Just because in your cherry-picked league he is 8th means that there is a huge clump of TEs performing about the same... And if you're going to cherrypick, then don't say "2nd TE drafted" when he is very clearly rated #4 in Geek Consensus Rankings. So in my league -- and in all decimal scoring leagues that most people play in -- Finley is 5... one behind his pre-season #4 ranking... But enough going around and around.... you think he's a bust and/or fluke... That's fine. You haven't brought anything new to the table in about 6 posts.... so we'll just revisit this thread later in the season TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Texans 10 Posted October 19, 2011 Jimmy Graham, NO T 88.4 Rob Gronkowski, 73.1 Jason Witten, Dal TE 59.4 Tony Gonzalez, 55.8 Jermichael Finley, 50.1 Greg Olsen, Car TE 48.2 He's 5th in most standard scoring leagues... Here you go again. Again, stop making stuff up. He is currently 8th (not 5th) on a ppg basis He is 8th in PPG (NOTE THE BOLDED SECTION). Here's the link: YTD Stats, from FFtoday Just because he has played more games than TEs who have had byes doesn't mean he's ahead of them. Nice try, though. Just because in your cherry-picked league he is 8th means I didn't cherry-pick anything. YOU are the one who brought up him being the 4th ranked TE in the Geek consensus rankings, so I used the scoring system used to compile those rankings to show that he is 8th, not 5th, the ranking that you made up. Finley is currently the 8th best TE, on a PPG basis, BARELY ahead of guys like Greg Olsen & Owen Daniels-that ain't elite. You haven't brought anything new to the table in about 6 posts.... so we'll just revisit this thread later in the season Right, and you have. All you post is (paraphrasing) "Finley is a stud, even though all evidence indicates otherwise." That's a real contribution right there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 19 Posted October 19, 2011 I didn't cherry-pick anything. YOU are the one who brought up him being the 4th ranked TE in the Geek consensus rankings, so I used the scoring system used to compile those rankings to show that he is 8th, not 5th, the ranking that you made up. Finley is currently the 8th best TE, on a PPG basis, BARELY ahead of guys like Greg Olsen & Owen Daniels-that ain't elite. Right, and you have. All you post is (paraphrasing) "Finley is a stud, even though all evidence indicates otherwise." That's a real contribution right there Yeah... I never said Finley is a stud... I have (for the third time) broken down all of the negatives of Finley this season... (there are many)... I've given insight on Packers game when your ilk were falsely trying to tell the rest of the people here that he was fat, slow, can't beat coverage, etc. His ranking will vary from league to league... He's slightly below his initial ADP however you want to slice it... He's in a big bunch of TEs that are all basically the same... as the season progresses it will all shake out... He gets the Calvin Johnson TD and the TD that hit him between the 8 and the 8 (among other drops) and he's the #3 TE in the league... Yes, Grandma + balls = Grandpa.... but the point is that he is close and that he should not be benched or dropped... You're on record as having him as a bust or a fluke... People (not you) have said much worse about him (fat, slow, soft, can't beat coverage) that is just blatantly false in this thread. I care about correcting that moreso as a fantasy football information fan than a Packer fan... I tend to think that he will run better routes, hold on to a few more catchable balls, and the coverage will start to roll back away from him (toward the Packer WRs that have been torching the league since the Chicago game), and that he will be a good fantasy play.... top 5.... what you expected.... Time will tell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 0 Posted October 19, 2011 I tend to agree with Houston Texans around 90% of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durka Durka? 2 Posted October 19, 2011 Finley may be 8th in PPG but he's not exactly been the picture of consistency...Blowing up and winning you one game is nice but not when it comes at the cost of possibly losing you five more with completely pedestrian stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted October 19, 2011 Finley shows no promise to finish top ten in non ppr leagues.....it simply isn't going to happen because he is NEVER open it's silly to watch him outside split out as wr and trotting 7 yards totally blanketed by a defender... Fyi i am sure you could pretend torrey smith is one of better wrs too on ppg reasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted October 19, 2011 This thread reminds me so much of stuff i read on Patriots message boards about Ben Watson a few years ago. Fast as lightning. Strong as an ox. Going to present matchup problems for defenses and will rewrite the history books. But the guy just never lived up (The Champ Bailey Play aside) to the hype. He just never had the hands to be an elite TE. By the time he left Foxboro, he had been given a nickname by that message board: Pizza Paddles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snatchem 0 Posted October 20, 2011 i really liked what I saw out of finley in preseason and drafted him in the 5th, i was able to grab pettigrew off of waivers after being dropped.... i think pettigrew will be a stud, the most targeted te and second option on the lions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GridIronAssassin#1 0 Posted October 20, 2011 All I can say, is I'm glad I got unlucky in getting the great heralded tight end, Finley. I ended up taking a tight end in the 7th round that was considered to be a nonfactor because of all the different weapons in the Saints passing game. But so far Jimmy Graham has been very consistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted October 20, 2011 All I can say, is I'm glad I got unlucky in getting the great heralded tight end, Finley. I ended up taking a tight end in the 7th round that was considered to be a nonfactor because of all the different weapons in the Saints passing game. But so far Jimmy Graham has been very consistent. Funny same reason people say finley is not producing.... because of all other weapons ....does not affect Graham or Hernandez or Pettigrew? Only Finley...whatev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccombsau 5 Posted October 20, 2011 really, I understand Finley has underperformed, so have 6 of the teams in my 10 man league....but 4 don't get it and still have googly draft day eyes for him...shut up and trade his arse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
