Down goes Herman Cain!

[MDC 7,425]

THey didn't wait for multiple folks with Cain. In fact, they have actually been running the story for a week with anonymous allegations.

 

The same media ran the birther story for a year. Politicians get scrutiny - time to pull up your big boy pants and deal with it.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Remember when that woman accused Bush of raping her? Damn the liberal media never would let that go!

 

 

This woman? I guess at this point she has as much evidence as the Cain accusers...........and a much more interesting story. :lol: :lol:

 

 

Anyways, Schoedinger said she was surprised the case wasn't covered more because "it is true......People have to be accountable for what they do, and that's why I'm pursuing it."

 

To be sure, Schoedinger's accusations - which include being drugged and sexually assaulted numerous times by Bush and other men purporting to be FBI agents - are bizarre and hard for most people to believe. But her story fits in with those told by a growing number of people who say they were used as guinea pigs or whatever by members of the CIA or another U.S. agency who wanted to test out the latest mind-controlling drug or just have a strange form of release. And her death - let's just say government agents have made murders look like suicides before.

 

 

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

[MDC 7,425]

Dedicated to discrediting Trumph and defending obama. Fact

 

You are the kind of focktard who likes Trump.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

As an Obama supporter, I am bummed that it looks like Romney is a shoo-in for the nomination at this point.

 

Why?

 

Because I read a statistical analysis in the New York Times the other day that said a moderate conservative like Romney has an 80% chance of winning if he is the nominee and the economy does not markedly improve next year.

 

If a super-conservative guy like Perry gets the nomination, he would only have a 50% chance of winning even if the economy is in the toilet.

 

If the economy improves then Obama has an even shot against Romney and blows candidates like Perry out of the water.

 

Of course a lot could change in the next year so take that all with a grain of salt. Still, Romney represents the Republican party's best chance of beating Obama by a mile.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Do women of sexual abuse usually hug the man that abused them years later, and then a month later bring out abuse charges?

 

Her credibility takes a huuuuuge hit here.

 

 

Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago

 

 

The Cain Encounter ...

 

They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends.

 

She grabbed his arm and whispered in his left ear.

 

She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”

 

Huh?

 

“I don’t know if what she was giving him was a sucker punch, but he didn’t put his arm down while she was talking to him,” said the Sneed source.

 

◆The “he”... is GOP presidential contender Herman Cain, who has been accused of sexual harassment by several women.

 

◆The “she”... is Chicagoan Sharon Bialek, who held a news conference Tuesday as the only woman to PUBLICLY accuse Cain of sexual harassment.

 

◆The Sneed source ... is WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson, who tells Sneed she witnessed the Cain/Bialek encounter a month ago while backstage at the AM 560 WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

 

◆Quoth Jacobson: “I had turned on TV to find out who was Cain’s accuser, and I almost fell over when I saw it was Sharon Bialek accusing Cain of groping her genitals.”

 

“I was waiting for Herman Cain’s ‘Accuser No. 4’ to surface — and up pops Sharon!”

 

“I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked.”

 

“I recall Sharon was hell bent on going backstage at the TeaCon convention — where she cornered him,” said Jacobson.

 

“I was surprised to hear she claims she did not know Cain was going to be there. Cain was expected and was late.”

 

Bialek told the media on Monday: “I went up to him and asked him if he remembered me. I wanted to see if he would be man enough to own up to what he had done 14 years ago.”

 

◆The encounter: “It looked sort of flirtatious,” said Jacobson. “I mean they were hugging. But she could have been giving him the kiss of death for all I know. I had no idea what they were talking about, but she was inches from his ear.”

 

◆The introduction: “It all began when I took a convention break and joined my pals at the hotel bar. Sharon was drinking Mimosas with them. She said she was a Republican, a Tea Party member, had once dated [White Sox sports announcer’ Steve Stone] and had worked at WGN radio.”

 

◆The rendezvous: Sharon also said she was anxious to meet Cain again and had once gone to an afterparty with him and her boyfriend years ago. But she never mentioned he had sexually harassed her.”

 

◆The upshot: Bialek has since applied for employment in sales at WIND radio and is scheduled for a second interview Thursday.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html

[Voltaire 5,316]

Look on the bright side: at least we know that Cain isn't a closeted homosexual.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Look on the bright side: at least we know that Cain isn't a closeted homosexual.

I'm a glass half full kind of guy too.

 

But seriously, at the very least Herman appears to be a flirty (slap you on the butt) kind of guy. I'm perfectly okay with that. Hell, I'm sorta that way too. And sometimes when you get in the public light like he is now that comes back to bite you as the women come out of the woodworks looking for money. This happens all the time and is one of the reasons I'm suspicisious of all this.

 

With that said, I'll be the first person to jump off the Cain bandwagon if some proof comes out that he is really a sexual predator. As in he was groping (grabbing the fun parts) women without their consent or worse. I'm just gonna have to see/hear some more proof of it is all. The whole thing sorta reeks. Unnamed women, attorney Alread involved. It smells like Cain is a flirty (but harmless) guy and these women are out for money; We've seen this movie before.

[Frank M 181]

Look on the bright side: at least we know that Cain isn't a closeted homosexual.

 

Not yet, anyway.

 

It's all for naught, anyways. Romney has this thing in the bag, he's not even attacking the other republitards anymore. Which is as it should be. If he wants to win the presidency, he has to talk about what he's going to do different than Obama, not how many women Herman Cain has tried to diddle.

[Frank M 181]

I'm a glass half full kind of guy too.

 

But seriously, at the very least Herman appears to be a flirty (slap you on the butt) kind of guy. I'm perfectly okay with that. Hell, I'm sorta that way too. And sometimes when you get in the public light like he is now that comes back to bite you as the women come out of the woodworks looking for money. This happens all the time and is one of the reasons I'm suspicisious of all this.

 

With that said, I'll be the first person to jump off the Cain bandwagon if some proof comes out that he is really a sexual predator. As in he was groping (grabbing the fun parts) women without their consent or worse. I'm just gonna have to see/hear some more proof of it is all. The whole thing sorta reeks. Unnamed women, attorney Alread involved. It smells like Cain is a flirty (but harmless) guy and these women are out for money; We've seen this movie before.

 

I think it's common among powerful men to be that way.

 

Why are you on the Cain bandwagon in the first place? Realistically, his ideas won't work.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Why are you on the Cain bandwagon in the first place? Realistically, his ideas won't work.

Because I don't like Romney, Perry, or Obama. All of which are career politicans (or community orgnaizers and politicans).

 

Because as much as I like Ron Paul and would vote for him it appears he's not going to even be on the ballot by the time it gets to North Carolina to vote in the primary. (Who came up with this stupid primary stystem anyway?)

 

Because I'm smart enough to realize that you don't have to break down the 9-9-9 plan into exact parts and create hypotheticals. Things like that never get passed as law 'as is' anyway due to the checks and balances of our gov't system. I look at the "general direction" or the "fundamental thinking" of a candidate to see where he wants to steer the ship. I like Cain's political base values, and I actually like he is a DC outsider.

 

That and the Status quo needs to go!

 

I think I just made up a bumber sticker.

[Frank M 181]

Because I don't like Romney, Perry, or Obama. All of which are career politicans (or community orgnaizers and politicans).

 

Because as much as I like Ron Paul and would vote for him it appears he's not going to even be on the ballot by the time it gets to North Carolina to vote in the primary. (Who came up with this stupid primary stystem anyway?)

 

Because I'm smart enough to realize that you don't have to break down the 9-9-9 plan into exact parts and create hypotheticals. Things like that never get passed as law 'as is' anyway due to the checks and balances of our gov't system. I look at the "general direction" or the "fundamental thinking" of a candidate to see where he wants to steer the ship. I like Cain's political base values, and I actually like he is a DC outsider.

 

That and the Status quo needs to go!

 

I think I just made up a bumber sticker.

 

I guess it's a little more subtle than "Anybody but Bush!"

[DankNuggs 305]

Because I don't like Romney, Perry, or Obama. All of which are career politicans (or community orgnaizers and politicans).

 

Because as much as I like Ron Paul and would vote for him it appears he's not going to even be on the ballot by the time it gets to North Carolina to vote in the primary. (Who came up with this stupid primary stystem anyway?)

 

Because I'm smart enough to realize that you don't have to break down the 9-9-9 plan into exact parts and create hypotheticals. Things like that never get passed as law 'as is' anyway due to the checks and balances of our gov't system. I look at the "general direction" or the "fundamental thinking" of a candidate to see where he wants to steer the ship. I like Cain's political base values, and I actually like he is a DC outsider.

That and the Status quo needs to go!

 

I think I just made up a bumber sticker.

No no no, you need to fixate on some tangential little detail that has no bearing on anything relevant and extrapolate negatively from there... Thats how you evaluate politicians...

 

 

Forget about the economy, the country... He belonged to an organization that allowed itself to be extorted by women seeking monetary gain for unsubstantiated accusations. (and later proved innocent in the investigation)

 

His organization was found guilty of realizing it was less costly to pay off the false accusers than the lawyers... Too bad for Citizen Cain.

[Voltaire 5,316]

I've got very mixed feelings about all of this.

 

I don't like Herman Cain and I'd like to see his campaign collapse before the early states vote.

 

Still, I'd rather he be judged on substance issues (or his notable lack thereof) rather than pap. I don't see this as a big deal, I see an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. I had expected his support to crater so I'm surprised that his poll numbers have not changed because of all this.

 

I guess where I'm at now is that on the one hand, I'm disappointed that an excuse to kick him out of the race has not worked out that way, but then on the other, I realize that this is BS, that it's not fair to him to get focked over in this way.

 

I think Cain's supporters are fools, but I have to give them credit for standing by him through this ordeal.

[Frank M 181]

No no no, you need to fixate on some tangential little detail that has no bearing on anything relevant and extrapolate negatively from there... Thats how you evaluate politicians...

 

 

Forget about the economy, the country... He belonged to an organization that allowed itself to be extorted by women seeking monetary gain for unsubstantiated accusations. (and later proved innocent in the investigation)

 

His organization was found guilty of realizing it was less costly to pay off the false accusers than the lawyers... Too bad for Citizen Cain.

 

How about you fixate on the fact that the only reason Herman Cain is in the position he is now in the presidential race is that he put forth a plan that sounds good on the surface, yet fails to bring in as much revenue as is needed, or that has historically been brought in over the years all the while costing more for over 80% of households? I thought the idea was to put more money in the hands of the consumer. All of it's silly, anyways, because, as KSB said, it will never be implemented. So we have a guy who can't get to the top of the field without a gimmicky plan that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being implemented, who has no political experience and no foreign policy experience, yet somehow he's the answer because...why?

 

Seriously, if Herman Cain had stuck to what he is, a lower taxes Tea Party Republican, without putting forth 9-9-9, he'd be in the same boat as Santorum, Huntsman, and Bachmann.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I think Cain's supporters are fools

:sadbanana:

 

So who should I support then? Obama, Perry? Honky please.

[hoytdwow 202]

(Who came up with this stupid primary stystem anyway?)

 

 

help work to change it at americanselect.org

[DankNuggs 305]

How about you fixate on the fact that the only reason Herman Cain is in the position he is now in the presidential rate is that he put forth a plan that sounds good on the surface, yet fails to bring in as much revenue as is needed, or that has historically been brought in over the years all the while costing more for over 80% of households? I thought the idea was to put more money in the hands of the consumer. All of it's silly, anyways, because, as KSB said, it will never be implemented. So we have a guy who can't get to the top of the field without a gimmicky plan that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being implemented, who has no political experience and no foreign policy experience, yet somehow he's the answer because...why?

 

Seriously, if Herman Cain had stuck to what he is, a lower taxes Tea Party Republican, without putting forth 9-9-9, he'd be in the same boat as Santorum, Huntsman, and Bachmann.

And Obama won on...

 

Most transparent administration EVAR!

 

Anti war

 

Hope and Change (for more of the status quo)

 

999 plan slightly tweaked to reduce regressiveness is an excellent plan to get rid of our awful tax code that favors wall st and big banks and all the things dems rail about (but obama protects)...

 

32k exemption for income....done deal... Carve out staples for the sales tax...done deal... You want to complain about poor people paying taxes on 50" flat screen tvs, go right ahead.

 

So now we have an honest candidate, who tells it straight, who isn't an insider politician, that has a plan and can help this country get stronger for everyone....But we want the status quo in Obama...LOL... awesome.

[Frank M 181]

And Obama won on...

 

Most transparent administration EVAR!

 

Anti war

 

Hope and Change (for more of the status quo)

 

999 plan slightly tweaked to reduce regressiveness is an excellent plan to get rid of our awful tax code that favors wall st and big banks and all the things dems rail about (but obama protects)...

 

32k exemption for income....done deal... Carve out staples for the sales tax...done deal... You want to complain about poor people paying taxes on 50" flat screen tvs, go right ahead.

 

So now we have an honest candidate, who tells it straight, who isn't an insider politician, that has a plan and can help this country get stronger for everyone....But we want the status quo in Obama...LOL... awesome.

 

So your answer is Obama, a guy with little experience, promised things he didn't deliver, so we need to vote for a guy with NO experience who's promising things he can't deliver.

 

LOL...awesome.

[DankNuggs 305]

So your answer is Obama, a guy with little experience, promised things he didn't deliver, so we need to vote for a guy with NO experience who's promising things he can't deliver.

 

LOL...awesome.

My answer is the guy in office failed at his job. Time to give the opportunity to someone who can succeed.

 

The direction the guy in office wants to move the country is not a prosperous one. I want to elect a guy who will push the country in a prosperous direction.

 

 

The bottom line is that when the economy does well, EVERYONE wins. When the economy does poorly, everyone loses.

[Frank M 181]

My answer is the guy in office failed at his job. Time to give the opportunity to someone who can succeed.

 

The direction the guy in office wants to move the country is not a prosperous one. I want to elect a guy who will push the country in a prosperous direction.

 

 

The bottom line is that when the economy does well, EVERYONE wins. When the economy does poorly, everyone loses.

 

Herman Cain ain't that guy.

 

HTH

[KSB2424 3,148]

Herman Cain ain't that guy.

 

HTH

 

Intellectual insight and political discourse like this can only be found at the Geek Club. Well done Frank.

[Frank M 181]

Intellectual insight and political discourse like this can only be found at the Geek Club. Well done Frank.

 

I already gave my insight in the posts above. Sometimes you have to break it down more simply for blind partisans.

 

[DankNuggs 305]

Herman Cain ain't that guy.

 

HTH

I'd take any of the republicans...

 

My dream team is a Cain/Paul ticket (either order of pres/vice)

 

My guess is a Romney Gingrich ticket which is probably the stronger ticket for a national election.

 

Perry, Bachman, Santorum might as well be democratic operatives at this point in my opinion. Their existence is only to tear down any reasonable advances made.

 

Huntsmans only following is Manhattan, and while he doesn't disturb me to the degree of three stooges mentioned above, he is a non factor.

[DankNuggs 305]

Gingrich would make an excellent vice. You look at guys like Dan Quayle, Joe Biden...those guys were idiots..Owl Gore was a stiff. Cheney was seen as evil/manipulative.

 

 

A smart, well informed advisor type would be a good change for the vice president

[Frank M 181]

I'd take any of the republicans...

 

My dream team is a Cain/Paul ticket (either order of pres/vice)

 

My guess is a Romney Gingrich ticket which is probably the stronger ticket for a national election.

 

Perry, Bachman, Santorum might as well be democratic operatives at this point in my opinion. Their existence is only to tear down any reasonable advances made.

 

Huntsmans only following is Manhattan, and while he doesn't disturb me to the degree of three stooges mentioned above, he is a non factor.

 

Think more along the lines of Romney/Christie. That is an electable combination.

[Voltaire 5,316]

:sadbanana:

 

So who should I support then? Obama, Perry? Honky please.

 

You have a point, it's a disappointing year.

 

For me a tax shift further from the rich towards the middle and lower class is always a very p*ss poor idea. Even more so in an environment where middle class income is stagnating while wealthy income goes through the roof.

 

That and what little he is able to articulate about foreign policy is all wrong. Further, he supports affirmative action which is the only social issue that I do care about and completely despise. Then there's being a shill for the big banks...

[MedStudent 56]

What I'll do is wait for it to play out before I declare the man guilty of something. That's what we try to do in this country. If presuming somebody innocent before guilty makes me a partisan hack, then I'm comfortable with that.

 

I really don't think partisanship has anything to do with the whole Cain mess. If someone is behind this then I would think its more likely the mainstream conservatives like Rove trying to push their handpicked candidate, who I would guess is Romney. I think the drivers of the republican party believe Romney is their best choice to beat Obama. There were a lot of lies spread by Rove about McCain when he was battling GWB in 2000.

 

I could see democrats switching over and voting for Romney (he11, he was elected Governor of Massachusetts) but I don't see a lot switching over to vote for Cain. Cain would be an easier opponent for Obama so it makes no sense for democrats to tear him down. If a democrat had any dirty info on Cain then they would be better off saving the info for the general election campaign.

 

This is similar to Hillary vs obama and the jeremiah wright stuff. I always assumed that it was hillary keeping that in the news behind the scenes as opposed to the republicans messing with it. I think she even made a statement that wright would never be her pastor.

[DanXIII 8]

Forget about the economy, the country... He belonged to an organization that allowed itself to be extorted by women seeking monetary gain for unsubstantiated accusations. (and later proved innocent in the investigation)

 

 

There was an investigation? Really? Is there a Web site somewhere I can go to to read the results of this investigation?

 

[Mungwater 597]

Think more along the lines of Romney/Christie. That is an electable combination.

 

That would be a nice ticket, but I really think that we're going to be stuck with Obama again with a total R senate and House. Nothing will get done again and we'll still be in the toilet until 2016.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

I could see democrats switching over and voting for Romney (he11, he was elected Governor of Massachusetts)

 

I lived in MA when Romney was elected governor, and I voted for him.

 

The problem is, he no longer believes the things that got him elected back then. He no longer supports universal health care, is no longer pro-choice, no longer supports gay rights, etc.

[Voltaire 5,316]

That would be a nice ticket, but I really think that we're going to be stuck with Obama again with a total R senate and House. Nothing will get done again and we'll still be in the toilet until 2016.

 

That may not be so bad.

 

Then again, I realize that I'm the only one that actually liked the last minute default avoiding compromise a few months ago and am excited by the upcoming Thanksgiving deadline for the deficit reduction super committee.

 

If they don't reach an agreement, great. If they do, great. Win either way.

[Voltaire 5,316]

I lived in MA when Romney was elected governor, and I voted for him.

 

The problem is, he no longer believes the things that got him elected back then. He no longer supports universal health care, is no longer pro-choice, no longer supports gay rights, etc.

 

Then again maybe he still is... the only one who really knows is him.

 

The guy would pimp his mother if it'd help win him some votes.

[MedStudent 56]

I lived in MA when Romney was elected governor, and I voted for him.

 

The problem is, he no longer believes the things that got him elected back then. He no longer supports universal health care, is no longer pro-choice, no longer supports gay rights, etc.

 

How do you really know what he thinks? He attended a fund raiser for planned parenthood in his past. My guess is that he is not as liberal as he showed as governor but he is also not as conservative as he is portraying himself during the gop primary. I think he is definitely left of most of the other gop candidates.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Cain is vastly more qualified to be POTUS than Obama was, is, or will ever be.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

How do you really know what he thinks? He attended a fund raiser for planned parenthood in his past. My guess is that he is not as liberal as he showed as governor but he is also not as conservative as he is portraying himself during the gop primary. I think he is definitely left of most of the other gop candidates.

 

And this is why nobody really likes him. He is whatever he needs to be that day. He is a stuffed shirt.

 

Cain is vastly more qualified to be POTUS than Obama was, is, or will ever be.

 

Cain is a joke. The guy can't even answer a simple question without focking up. His "what is your stance on abortion" clips are priceless political humor.

[drobeski 3,061]

And this is why nobody really likes him. He is whatever he needs to be that day. He is a stuffed shirt.

 

 

 

Cain is a joke. The guy can't even answer a simple question without focking up. His "what is your stance on abortion" clips are priceless political humor.

And Obama is even a bigger joke ...didn't and won't stop the libtard from voting for him

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

 

 

Cain is a joke.

And yet he is still vastly more qualified to be POTUS than Obama was, is, and will ever be.

[hoytdwow 202]

How do you really know what he thinks? He attended a fund raiser for planned parenthood in his past. My guess is that he is not as liberal as he showed as governor but he is also not as conservative as he is portraying himself during the gop primary. I think he is definitely left of most of the other gop candidates.

 

I don't know what he thinks. He worked to get universal health care in MA, but now repudiates the idea on a "states' rights" basis

He used to be pro-choice, but said he's had a "change of heart."

[Frank M 181]

And yet he is still vastly more qualified to be POTUS than Obama was, is, and will ever be.

 

Serious question, then: would you rather have Cain or Romney? I get that you think he's more qualified than Obama, but you can't really think that he's more qualified than Romney.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Serious question, then: would you rather have Cain or Romney? I get that you think he's more qualified than Obama, but you can't really think that he's more qualified than Romney.

At this point I would rather have Cain's qualifications of having run businesses, created jobs, and straight talk over the ability to talk your way around answering questions. I know Romney has experience in the private sector as well, but he is a politician. Having slick politicians who can spin things in a debate etc hasn't worked out too well for us.

 

Anyone on the Rep side will be a huge improvement over the train wreck Obama has been.