Patrick977 0 Posted December 20, 2011 If you don't make it auto first everyone would just hold all game I guess there isn't a good answer then. Just seems like there are so many cheap ways to give the offense auto firsts. I'd rather see it be a 10 yard penalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdogge 17 Posted December 20, 2011 I guess there isn't a good answer then. Just seems like there are so many cheap ways to give the offense auto firsts. I'd rather see it be a 10 yard penalty. I tend to agree with your previous post.. A 5 yard penalty should not negate 15 yards of penalties 20 seconds prior. Make it a 10 yard penalty if you like.. But just that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chronic Husker 86 Posted December 20, 2011 No way that dudes given name is John Sutcliffe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MedStudent 56 Posted December 20, 2011 No way that dudes given name is John Sutcliffe. I was just going to post about that guy. Sounds like a canuck. Should be talking aboooot old time hockey, eh. Toe Blake, Eddie Shore. My bad- i guess he is a mexican trying his best to hide the accent. I guess they snuck some illegals into the stadium when the lights went out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,210 Posted December 20, 2011 No way that dudes given name is John Sutcliffe. I had to google him to figure out why ESPN had some sideline broadcaster who had to take ESL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted December 20, 2011 Boy antonio is gonna be one heckova 3rd YR breakout candidate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted December 20, 2011 And my season is over... I hate fantasy at times. I blew away scoring records this year and I come in second in the league and lose in the first round of the playoffs. No money for me strictly based on scheduling (blew away points against too). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 148 Posted December 20, 2011 Pitt's D has no sacks, turnovers or any type of scoring play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted December 20, 2011 Pitt's D has no sacks, turnovers or any type of scoring play. No pressure on pass rush at all either and now woodly is out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 8,128 Posted December 20, 2011 Pitt's D has no sacks, turnovers or any type of scoring play. Going into this game I had a 4-point lead with my opponent done and PIT D to go. I'm now hanging onto a 104-101 lead and terrified that Ben might throw a pick 6. Please just drain out the clock, please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,139 Posted December 20, 2011 Strange, I heard all week SF basically didn't have a shot and was a fraud.. Hrmm.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted December 20, 2011 :crickets: :banana: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Busted by the Feds 9 Posted December 20, 2011 San Fran. D is for real ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted December 20, 2011 Looks like the Steelers fans are all boarding the "excuse train" after this game. "Whaaa, we didn't have Harrison, Big Ben couldn't be Big Ben with that injury, we were missing our 3rd best WR AND our Center was out!" Um...the Niners were playing without Patrick Willis, their #2 and 3 WRs in Edwards and Morgan, AND their #4 WR in Ted Ginn in the 2nd half. AND our QB is Alex Smith. Before the game, most people would have taken a 50% Big Ben over a healthy Alex Smith. So please, enough with the excuses. Just say "good game" and move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,856 Posted December 20, 2011 Looks like the Steelers fans are all boarding the "excuse train" after this game. "Whaaa, we didn't have Harrison, Big Ben couldn't be Big Ben with that injury, we were missing our 3rd best WR AND our Center was out!" Um...the Niners were playing without Patrick Willis, their #2 and 3 WRs in Edwards and Morgan, AND their #4 WR in Ted Ginn in the 2nd half. AND our QB is Alex Smith. Before the game, most people would have taken a 50% Big Ben over a healthy Alex Smith. So please, enough with the excuses. Just say "good game" and move on. I thought it was common knowledge that the Steelers NEVER lose a game, it is always because of injuries or suspensions or the referees... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted December 20, 2011 I thought it was common knowledge that the Steelers NEVER lose a game, it is always because of injuries or suspensions or the referees... I guess I'm just not used to it being a fan of a NFC team that rarely plays them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oblong_Ball 1 Posted December 20, 2011 Big Ben should just let Aldon Smith rape his new wife like he used to do to all the college girls. Steelers pfffft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 20, 2011 Looks like the Steelers fans are all boarding the "excuse train" after this game. "Whaaa, we didn't have Harrison, Big Ben couldn't be Big Ben with that injury, we were missing our 3rd best WR AND our Center was out!" Um...the Niners were playing without Patrick Willis, their #2 and 3 WRs in Edwards and Morgan, AND their #4 WR in Ted Ginn in the 2nd half. AND our QB is Alex Smith. Before the game, most people would have taken a 50% Big Ben over a healthy Alex Smith. So please, enough with the excuses. Just say "good game" and move on. Um, hey Riceman, get your sh!t straight. You weren't missing Edwards, he was a healthy scratch...that roughly translates to "he sucks too much to play" and pretty much rules him out as the #2WR. Willis is the only big loss, although I'll admit that Ginn scares the hell out of me every time they kick to him. So yeah, less than 1/2 a ProBowl QB, 2 ProBowl LB's, a ProBowl center, the #3WR (Sanders) greatly trumps missing Willis and Ginn for a half. Injuries are part of football though. The Niners defense played well tonight, but your best player was your punter who killed the Steelers on field position the whole damned night. I'll still contend the Steelers had a better chance with Batch or Dixon than with Roethlisberger, but that's on Tomlin for letting him play. It's a good and deserved win, but don't kid yourself that the players the Niners were missing are even remotely even to what the Steelers were contending with last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted December 20, 2011 Completely agree craw. David Akers and Andy Lee are the Niners MVPs this season, no doubt about it. And thanks for the info on Edwards, thought it was his knee, guess it was more on his play. Yes, Steelers injuries were more significant. but to say the Niners players missing weren't even "remotely even" to the Steelers players missing is just a homer overrating their own players. You throw in Josh Morgan, who was our #3 WR and Joe Staley who was questionable all week with concussions, I still would argue that the injury excuse doesn't work for the Steelers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted December 20, 2011 Looks like the Steelers fans are all boarding the "excuse train" after this game. "Whaaa, we didn't have Harrison, Big Ben couldn't be Big Ben with that injury, we were missing our 3rd best WR AND our Center was out!" Um...the Niners were playing without Patrick Willis, their #2 and 3 WRs in Edwards and Morgan, AND their #4 WR in Ted Ginn in the 2nd half. AND our QB is Alex Smith. Before the game, most people would have taken a 50% Big Ben over a healthy Alex Smith. So please, enough with the excuses. Just say "good game" and move on. In this thread? Maybe I skipped those posts but who has made these excuses? Niners beat up the Steelers every which way. I think the absolute key was forcing them from an average drive start of what the 15 yard line? Lee is just freaking awesome. I actually started a post on Steelers message board that the 49ers were just the better all around team. Only thing the Steelers have is a better passing game but you can't have a passing game without a decent oline. However, pretty funny saying you were without Edwards when he as a healthy scratch...LOL.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted December 20, 2011 Completely agree craw. David Akers and Andy Lee are the Niners MVPs this season, no doubt about it. And thanks for the info on Edwards, thought it was his knee, guess it was more on his play. Yes, Steelers injuries were more significant. but to say the Niners players missing weren't even "remotely even" to the Steelers players missing is just a homer overrating their own players. You throw in Josh Morgan, who was our #3 WR and Joe Staley who was questionable all week with concussions, I still would argue that the injury excuse doesn't work for the Steelers. Can't you just accept Steeler fans saying they got beat straight up without trying to compare missing Willis and a handful of peanuts to losing Pouncey, Harrison, Woodley (1/2 game) and an immobile Ben throwing off one leg (bad coaching decision). It almost sounds like you aren't enjoying the win as much yourself because of the injuries to the Steelers and just trying to justify that injuries were not factor. When both teams are healthy the 49ers have better kicking game, running game, run defense, coaching, pass defense, offensive line. Only thing Steelers are better at is passing. So you stop with the excuses that the steelers injuries were equal to 49ers. it's not true and really makes you look a little small and the one actually making excuses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted December 20, 2011 Honestly, Steelers fans here are pretty honest with their team when they get beat. And people were giving Frisco a shot. They've been getting a lot or respect in the mainstream media lately, and rightfully so. Just an outsiders observations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted December 20, 2011 Honestly, Steelers fans here are pretty honest with their team when they get beat. And people were giving Frisco a shot. They've been getting a lot or respect in the mainstream media lately, and rightfully so. Just an outsiders observations. That's fair. That is why I like FFT, most fans are very honest about their team. We usually troll away the super homer posters. I apologize to the Steelers fans on here. Wasn't trying to rub it in or trying to be rude. I was just reading the comment section on espn.com and nfl.com about this game (I know, 1st mistake) and decided to bring the argument here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted December 20, 2011 That's fair. That is why I like FFT, most fans are very honest about their team. We usually troll away the super homer posters. I apologize to the Steelers fans on here. Wasn't trying to rub it in or trying to be rude. I was just reading the comment section on espn.com and nfl.com about this game (I know, 1st mistake) and decided to bring the argument here. Its all good. Will be pulling for sf in playoffs love their style of football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted December 20, 2011 Its all good. Will be pulling for sf in playoffs love their style of football GF's family is from Pittsburgh, so it'll be very interesting if we see each other again this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 20, 2011 Its all good. Will be pulling for sf in playoffs love their style of football Yeah, was kind of like seeing the NFC version of the Steelers/Ravens mold last night. But I can only root for them so far, I'd like to see them bump off Green Bay, but not win a SB. Don't want another team getting that one-for-the-thumb ya know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,139 Posted December 20, 2011 Braylon may have technically been a healthy scratch but he isn't anywhere near 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 21, 2011 Braylon may have technically been a healthy scratch but he isn't anywhere near 100%. Per Rotoworld... Braylon Edwards was benched in Week 15 for performance, not injury-related reasons. "Just based on the practices and the games," coach Jim Harbaugh explained when asked why Edwards wasn't one of San Francisco's three wide receivers who played against the Steelers. "We'll see with Ted (Ginn), but I think Braylon should be ready to go and (I) look for a good week of practice there." We'd be surprised if the 49ers made any attempt to re-sign Edwards this spring. Dec 20 - 4:59 PM Source: CSN Bay Area Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted December 21, 2011 Don't want another team getting that one-for-the-thumb ya know... Do you have six fingers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,139 Posted December 21, 2011 Per Rotoworld... Braylon Edwards was benched in Week 15 for performance, not injury-related reasons. "Just based on the practices and the games," coach Jim Harbaugh explained when asked why Edwards wasn't one of San Francisco's three wide receivers who played against the Steelers. "We'll see with Ted (Ginn), but I think Braylon should be ready to go and (I) look for a good week of practice there." We'd be surprised if the 49ers made any attempt to re-sign Edwards this spring. Dec 20 - 4:59 PM Source: CSN Bay Area Great, still doesn't change the fact that he is not completely healthy. He hasn't been for some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 21, 2011 Great, still doesn't change the fact that he is not completely healthy. He hasn't been for some time. link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,139 Posted December 21, 2011 link? Common sense? Knee surgery and a sprained shoulder.... Good talk.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 21, 2011 Common sense? Knee surgery and a sprained shoulder.... Good talk.. Worthless without a link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavlov 0 Posted December 21, 2011 Worthless without a link. He was listed as Questionable all week! Let me Google that for you... "Edwards was once again limited in practice this week due to his knee injury." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/410134/rss And the 49ers were 3 point favorites in this game. It wasn't an upset, Pittsburgh fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 21, 2011 He was listed as Questionable all week! Let me Google that for you... "Edwards was once again limited in practice this week due to his knee injury." http://www.cbssports...page/410134/rss And the 49ers were 3 point favorites in this game. It wasn't an upset, Pittsburgh fans. You do realize that it means Vegas saw them as even. Home teams almost always get a 3 point edge. Take away the home field edge and this was a pickem game. I feel like the kid from "Sixth Sense". Everywhere I turn on here, I see dumb people. Try again... and again... and again... The guy played the week before, ran the wrong route and helped them lose a game they shouldn't have lost. The coach benched his ass because he's basically worthless at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavlov 0 Posted December 21, 2011 Dumb people? Let's take a stroll down memory lane, shall we? Someone said Great, still doesn't change the fact that he is not completely healthy. He hasn't been for some time. to which you responded link? I provided one. No one is arguing that is was a coach's decision. But thanks for the links supporting a case only you seem intent on making. Note that the person didn't say, "It wasn't a coach's call--he was hurt." He just said, "He is not completely healthy." He isn't. This isn't really a secret. Anyone who is vaguely interested in football knows that he hasn't been healthy all year and that the signing is regarded as a disappointment. Again, things you could Google for yourself in about 3 seconds. It might take more than 3 seconds for you to develop some reading comprehension skills, however. Speaking of things that take more than 3 seconds to, let's turn to your gambling analysis. You do realize that it means Vegas saw them as even. Home teams almost always get a 3 point edge. Shocking! Next, you'll tell me that home division dogs are generally good bets! Where do you ever find these nuggets of wisdom? And, perhaps more importantly, how is this remotely relevant? The game was played...wait for it...IN SAN FRANCISCO! It doesn't matter that Vegas considered the teams equal on a neutral field, when you're discussing who is the favorite/underdog in a game, you actually are talking about a specific game. Someone else said When both teams are healthy the 49ers have better kicking game, running game, run defense, coaching, pass defense, offensive line. Only thing Steelers are better at is passing. I'd actually argue that if we're assuming everyone is 100% healthy, the Steelers have a better pass defense than the 9ers, but this is pretty spot on. Coaching is a push--I don't agree with Tomlin's decision to play Ben in the second half, but the guy's body of work is solid. The big and obvious caveat is that passing in today's NFL is the single most important aspect of the game. Yinzers like you make me regret living in Pittsburgh sometimes. You know less about football than you think you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted December 21, 2011 How's your dog? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,139 Posted December 21, 2011 I'm not that bright. Thanks for the update. Braylon isn't healthy, he hasn't been the entire season. To try to argue this fact is full on retard. Not that it mattered considering how easily the 9'ers handled the Steeler's. Vegas was wrong btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 21, 2011 Dumb people? Let's take a stroll down memory lane, shall we? Someone said to which you responded I provided one. No one is arguing that is was a coach's decision. But thanks for the links supporting a case only you seem intent on making. Note that the person didn't say, "It wasn't a coach's call--he was hurt." He just said, "He is not completely healthy." He isn't. This isn't really a secret. Anyone who is vaguely interested in football knows that he hasn't been healthy all year and that the signing is regarded as a disappointment. Again, things you could Google for yourself in about 3 seconds. It might take more than 3 seconds for you to develop some reading comprehension skills, however. Speaking of things that take more than 3 seconds to, let's turn to your gambling analysis. Shocking! Next, you'll tell me that home division dogs are generally good bets! Where do you ever find these nuggets of wisdom? And, perhaps more importantly, how is this remotely relevant? The game was played...wait for it...IN SAN FRANCISCO! It doesn't matter that Vegas considered the teams equal on a neutral field, when you're discussing who is the favorite/underdog in a game, you actually are talking about a specific game. Someone else said I'd actually argue that if we're assuming everyone is 100% healthy, the Steelers have a better pass defense than the 9ers, but this is pretty spot on. Coaching is a push--I don't agree with Tomlin's decision to play Ben in the second half, but the guy's body of work is solid. The big and obvious caveat is that passing in today's NFL is the single most important aspect of the game. Yinzers like you make me regret living in Pittsburgh sometimes. You know less about football than you think you do. And my point was, Braylon played the prior week and was benched for the Steelers game less for injury than for performance. It was reported as so by a San Francisco based reporter on a San Francisco based website for a San Francisco based newspaper. It was being used by San Frans as an excuse or a counter argument to the Steelers injury issues. However, while were discussing strolls down memory lane, it was you that made the excuse about Edwards being injured, and provided a link. To which I responded with three differing links and could probably provide a bunch more from about 2 weeks early that all use the line "now healthy, Edwards is looking forward to getting back on the field" or some crap like that. I'm sorry, a scrub like Edwards not playing just isn't a valid excuse. On Monday night, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh said wide receiver Braylon Edwards was inactive against the Steelers because he felt Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn Jr. and Kyle Williams gave San Francisco "the best chance." On Tuesday, Harbaugh was asked more specifically about the decision to keep Edwards sidelined. The decision, he said, was based on "the practices and the games." It wasn't a ringing endorsement of Edwards, who has 14 catches in eight games in what's been a disappointing, injury-filled season. But Edwards could return to the active roster for the 49ers' visit to Seattle on Saturday with Ginn hobbled by an ankle injury he sustained on the second-half kickoff against Pittsburgh. Harbaugh didn't update Ginn's status, but seemed to indicate San Francisco might be without his services. "We'll see with Ted," Harbaugh said. "Braylon should be ready to go and look for a good week of practice there." Just because you want the reason he didn't play to be "he was hurt" doesn't make it so, particularly when there are a lot of reports to the contrary. And yes, Vegas did get it wrong, the Steelers should have been much bigger underdogs than the 3 pt line given to San Fran by virtue of being the home team. I'm a d-bag that thinks he's clever by changing people's quotes to something childish and lame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites