Don't say I didn't warn you about the Muslims

[Strike 4,042]

Now you're going to argue semantics like a child? Just tell me: what percentage of Muslims do you think fall into this group of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers?

 

It's not semantics. Sorry your mastery of the English language is lacking. In any case I really don't know what the percentage is. And I think it varies by action. I think a smaller percentage of Muslim's are ok with random suicide bombings than burning down an Embassy. So it depends. But it's not just about terrorism. Honor killings are common in Islamic countries. They suppress human rights. I mean, they rioted and threatened to kill people over focking cartoons. So sorry can't give a specific percentage due to the variance in the types of violence. As far as the hardcore blow up America type Muslims I'd probably put it in the 5% range. Seems small but, as you noted, there are a hell of a lot of Muslims. And a larger percentage is in favor of other types of violence such as honor killings.

[Strike 4,042]

I was speaking to the Hitler analogy. I don't think that many of these Muslim leaders really care about Islam much than Hitler really cared about Christianity or Socialism or The Fatherland. It's simply dogma they use to control the masses. If it's just about Islam, why the fock are they blowing each other up? They want power and control, that's why. And they use religion to get some dumbass to do it for them.

 

I have no doubt control is part of it. In the Pakistan case I mentioned earlier it was lay people who brought the charges to the authorities regarding the Christian lady. So it was long before the people in power got involved that religion became the issue. I don't see how that can be attributed to "control." Clearly the people who brought her to the authorities did so based upon hers and their religious beliefs.

[Casual Observer 597]

That's a curious response right there. We say that Breivik is insane because of what he did. What rational person would kill 77 people like that?

 

Yet somehow a Muslim guy who straps a bomb to his chest and blows himself up simply to inflict collateral damage is apparently not insane in your book.

 

Do you see the double standard there?

 

No, what I meant was that a court-appointed psychologist/psychiatrist evaluated the guy and found him to be insane. I believe he was found to be schizophrenic. Maybe you are discounting that psych's opinion and finding. That misimpression led to the comparison with the Muslim you then make. I can't agree with the comparison. I might agree that both are "crazy" in an everyday non-clinical use of the word, but absent some true mental illness that is driving one to kill others, the Muslim is acting according to his understanding of what God wants him to do according to his religion.

[parrot 789]

I have no doubt control is part of it. In the Pakistan case I mentioned earlier it was lay people who brought the charges to the authorities regarding the Christian lady. So it was long before the people in power got involved that religion became the issue. I don't see how that can be attributed to "control." Clearly the people who brought her to the authorities did so based upon hers and their religious beliefs.

 

Of course it was lay people, they're the mind-controlled dumbasses I'm talking about. They've been taught that Christians are the enemy. They've been taught that because that's how you maintain control over people, by convincing them that there's some grave threat just waiting to destroy their way of life (even if that way of life sucks) and they need to be protected from that threat.

 

The point being that much of what is being pushed on them is not really about Islam, much like much of what was being pushed on the people of Nazi Germany wasn't really about God or love of country, or whatever other bullshit Hitler tried to couch it up as. It was about helping Hitler expand his power. Do we really think that if Islam didn't exist, these places would be all that much different? They would still be full of dirt-poor, uneducated, disaffected, angry people, just waiting to be exploited by some charlatan(s).

[MDC 5,933]

I wonder if there are any other books that turn otherwise normal nonviolent people into frothing at the mouth psychopathic terrorists? This sounds like the plot of a future Stephen King book.

[Casual Observer 597]

I wonder if there are any other books that turn otherwise normal nonviolent people into frothing at the mouth psychopathic terrorists? This sounds like the plot of a future Stephen King book.

 

Do you know of any, or are you asking for suggestions?

[parrot 789]

So let's just go ahead and accept the premise that the whole of Islam is the problem. Does this suggest some course of action on our part, or is it just to make us feel good that we're so much better?

[Strike 4,042]

Of course it was lay people, they're the mind-controlled dumbasses I'm talking about. They've been taught that Christians are the enemy. They've been taught that because that's how you maintain control over people, by convincing them that there's some grave threat just waiting to destroy their way of life (even if that way of life sucks) and they need to be protected from that threat.

 

The point being that much of what is being pushed on them is not really about Islam, much like much of what was being pushed on the people of Nazi Germany wasn't really about God or love of country, or whatever other bullshit Hitler tried to couch it up as. It was about helping Hitler expand his power. Do we really think that if Islam didn't exist, these places would be all that much different? They would still be full of dirt-poor, uneducated, disaffected, angry people, just waiting to be exploited by some charlatan(s).

 

I'm sure that's a significant aspect of the problem. However, we see many of the issues I've mentioned even in countries that aren't dirt poor. We have honor killings happening in the U.S.. Hell, an educated, decently well of Muslim who started a television station to promote Islam in the U.S. was convicted of murdering his wife in N.Y. because she was going to leave him. It may just be that these people came from the circumstances you describe but the bottom line is that even after they "get out" the attitudes and problems continue to exist. You've got Imam's in Western countries like GB and the U.S. promoting violence. That's not about control. That's about religion.

[parrot 789]

I wonder if there are any other books that turn otherwise normal nonviolent people into frothing at the mouth psychopathic terrorists? This sounds like the plot of a future Stephen King book.

 

I don't know, but don't go around saying things like "Happy Holidays!" or you've just joined THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!

[Strike 4,042]

So let's just go ahead and accept the premise that the whole of Islam is the problem. Does this suggest some course of action on our part, or is it just to make us feel good that we're so much better?

 

The only feeling I have about the situation is sadness. I don't know what the answer is. I just know that there is a significant enough segment of Islam that preaches violence against anyone who doesn't believe what they believe, even other Muslims. I know that there are schools in many Muslim countries that indoctrinate their children to hate the West and everything it stands for, and starts teaching them how to use weapons at an early age. I don't see this problem going away. I just find it odd that people like Worms act like it's not a problem at all and anyone who acknowledges it being a problem is just a bigot.

[FeelingMN 273]

Of course it was lay people, they're the mind-controlled dumbasses I'm talking about. They've been taught that Christians are the enemy. They've been taught that because that's how you maintain control over people, by convincing them that there's some grave threat just waiting to destroy their way of life (even if that way of life sucks) and they need to be protected from that threat.

 

The point being that much of what is being pushed on them is not really about Islam, much like much of what was being pushed on the people of Nazi Germany wasn't really about God or love of country, or whatever other bullshit Hitler tried to couch it up as. It was about helping Hitler expand his power. Do we really think that if Islam didn't exist, these places would be all that much different? They would still be full of dirt-poor, uneducated, disaffected, angry people, just waiting to be exploited by some charlatan(s).

 

 

And I love the irony of the folks arguing against an entire religion because of its absolute intolerance of other beliefs.

 

Theirs is a difference of degree, not in kind.

[FeelingMN 273]

I'm sure that's a significant aspect of the problem. However, we see many of the issues I've mentioned even in countries that aren't dirt poor. We have honor killings happening in the U.S.. Hell, an educated, decently well of Muslim who started a television station to promote Islam in the U.S. was convicted of murdering his wife in N.Y. because she was going to leave him. It may just be that these people came from the circumstances you describe but the bottom line is that even after they "get out" the attitudes and problems continue to exist. You've got Imam's in Western countries like GB and the U.S. promoting violence. That's not about control. That's about religion.

 

Yeah, that never happens with the other religions.

 

 

 

 

And we've got religious folks here who want to burn the Koran. Is that religion....or just really focking ignorant?

[FeelingMN 273]

I didn't take it as a joke. You flat out called me a bigot.

 

What hate?

 

 

Says the guy who spouted N****** more times in one post than NWA did in their entire discography.

 

[nikki2200 4]

Says the guy who spouted N****** more times in one post than NWA did in their entire discography.

 

 

[Strike 4,042]

Yeah, that never happens with the other religions.

 

And we've got religious folks here who want to burn the Koran. Is that religion....or just really focking ignorant?

 

People want to burn the Koran just to fock with the Muslims. I wouldn't call it ignorant. Mean spirited and provoking, yes, but not ignorant.

[Casual Observer 597]

 

And I love the irony of the folks arguing against an entire religion because of its absolute intolerance of other beliefs.

 

Theirs is a difference of degree, not in kind.

 

Thank God for people like you who are so far above the debate that you can see things as they really are.

[parrot 789]

Thank God for people like you who are so far above the debate that you can see things as they really are.

 

Nice job on the alias MensaObserver.

[MDC 5,933]

Do you know of any, or are you asking for suggestions?

 

No, I have yet to encounter any magic books. I don't believe in unicorns, dragons or God either.

[Casual Observer 597]

Nice job on the alias MensaObserver.

 

Can't a Board Mod convince you that I am not he?

[IGotWorms 3,367]

I didn't take it as a joke. You flat out called me a bigot.

 

What hate?

 

 

No I meant the comment where I called you a bigot. At least you have certainly exhibited bigotry by starting this thread.

 

The comment "Casual Observer" was referring to was a joke I made about Jesus in a different thread. Apparently my comment got deleted by the mods (it was in poor taste). Funny how some guy who just started posting here (Casual Observer) would know that, isn't it.

[parrot 789]

Can't a Board Mod convince you that I am not he?

 

Not necessary. I really don't care that much. You kind of sound like Immensa is all. If you really are new here, welcome aboard. Try not to be an asshat like Immensa.

[MDC 5,933]

Not necessary. I really don't care that much. You kind of sound like Immensa is all. If you really are new here, welcome aboard. Try not to be an asshat like Immensa.

 

If he is Mensa, he's going to pop your skull like a zit, skin you alive and strut around town in parrotleather chaps.

[Casual Observer 597]

No, I have yet to encounter any magic books. I don't believe in unicorns, dragons or God either.

 

 

That's because you haven't looked. There are plenty of magic books. I'd suggest "Magic for Beginners" by Doug Henning. He's the guy that always wore those rainbow suspenders.

[IGotWorms 3,367]

It's not semantics. Sorry your mastery of the English language is lacking. In any case I really don't know what the percentage is. And I think it varies by action. I think a smaller percentage of Muslim's are ok with random suicide bombings than burning down an Embassy. So it depends. But it's not just about terrorism. Honor killings are common in Islamic countries. They suppress human rights. I mean, they rioted and threatened to kill people over focking cartoons. So sorry can't give a specific percentage due to the variance in the types of violence. As far as the hardcore blow up America type Muslims I'd probably put it in the 5% range. Seems small but, as you noted, there are a hell of a lot of Muslims. And a larger percentage is in favor of other types of violence such as honor killings.

 

There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world (that's a conservative estimate). If you think 5% do or want to blow up Americans, that amounts to 75 million people.

 

Seems kinda high, don't it?

[parrot 789]

If he is Mensa, he's going to pop your skull like a zit, skin you alive and strut around town in parrotleather chaps.

 

 

He just better not wear the chaps with a Packers jersey. That's where I draw the line.

[Casual Observer 597]

Not necessary. I really don't care that much. You kind of sound like Immensa is all. If you really are new here, welcome aboard. Try not to be an asshat like Immensa.

 

What would not being an asshat entail?

[parrot 789]

What would not being an asshat entail?

 

Don't worry, we'll let you know.

[Casual Observer 597]

Don't worry, we'll let you know.

 

I knew you'd say that.

[FeelingMN 273]

People want to burn the Koran just to fock with the Muslims. I wouldn't call it ignorant. Mean spirited and provoking, yes, but not ignorant.

 

Were these people atheists? Or Buddhists? Probably Jews...it's always the Jews. Point is, can you really assign a value judgment to an entire Religion based on the actions of its some of its adherents...no matter that actual number, which is irrelevant because it's not all of them. I'm sure there are some Muslims who think all Christians are child rapists.

 

Look, everyone agrees that this is some focked up stuff. And I'm sure that even IGotWorms would agree that this stuff is to some degree religiously motivated...at least I can concede that. But to blame the entire Religion seems taking it a bit far. These are focking wackos who should be held accountable for their actions. I think you would agree that painting an entire group with such broadstrokes eventually leads to bigger problems. I just don't feel comfortable going down that road.

 

 

Thank God for people like you who are so far above the debate that you can see things as they really are.

 

They call me The Designer. You can call me Entity.

[DankNuggs 305]

Point is, can you really assign a value judgment to an entire Religion based on the actions of its some of its adherents...no matter that actual number, which is irrelevant because it's not all of them.

 

Look, everyone agrees that this is some focked up stuff. And I'm sure that even IGotWorms would agree that this stuff is to some degree religiously motivated...at least I can concede that. But to blame the entire Religion seems taking it a bit far. These are focking wackos who should be held accountable for their actions. I think you would agree that painting an entire group with such broadstrokes eventually leads to bigger problems. I just don't feel comfortable going down that road.

 

 

 

 

They call me The Designer. You can call me Entity.

No you can't blame the entire religion... However when 100% of terrorist activity is coming from a single source, it is incredibly naive to not be able to acknowledge it because of fear of hurting feelings. People are trying to blow our citizens up. F that.

[IGotWorms 3,367]

No you can't blame the entire religion... However when 100% of terrorist activity is coming from a single source, it is incredibly naive to not be able to acknowledge it because of fear of hurting feelings. People are trying to blow our citizens up. F that.

 

100%? Really? So this Breivik guy in Norway, Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber, etc. ... were they all muslims too?

 

BTW I am vehemently against blowing our citizens up too. I just don't think you can say that all muslims want to blow our citizens up or that all those who would blow our citizens up are muslim.

[nikki2200 4]

Were these people atheists? Or Buddhists? Probably Jews...it's always the Jews. Point is, can you really assign a value judgment to an entire Religion based on the actions of its some of its adherents...no matter that actual number, which is irrelevant because it's not all of them. I'm sure there are some Muslims who think all Christians are child rapists.

 

Look, everyone agrees that this is some focked up stuff. And I'm sure that even IGotWorms would agree that this stuff is to some degree religiously motivated...at least I can concede that. But to blame the entire Religion seems taking it a bit far. These are focking wackos who should be held accountable for their actions. I think you would agree that painting an entire group with such broadstrokes eventually leads to bigger problems. I just don't feel comfortable going down that road.

 

 

 

 

They call me The Designer. You can call me Entity.

 

[edjr 5,618]

That's like warning parents they shouldn't let GFIAFP babysit for their 12 year old daughter.

[parrot 789]

I knew you'd say that.

 

If you're already thinking like me you're well on your way to not being an asshat.

[Bishop82 61]

No you can't blame the entire religion... However when 100% of terrorist activity is coming from a single source, it is incredibly naive to not be able to acknowledge it because of fear of hurting feelings. People are trying to blow our citizens up. F that.

 

http://www.huffingto...r_n_209504.html

 

Edit: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-17-rudolph-monday-sentencing_x.htm

[Gepetto 995]

No I meant the comment where I called you a bigot. At least you have certainly exhibited bigotry by starting this thread.

 

 

Not really. The only bigots are the leaders of Islamic Iran. You're such an apoligist for the one's who will kill you if they get a chance. dumb

[Gepetto 995]

Says the guy who spouted N****** more times in one post than NWA did in their entire discography.

 

 

That was directed at Obama and he doesn't visit here anyway. Not racist comments, just a word to demean an individual that deserves it. That whole thread was about Obama catering to blacks only.

[IGotWorms 3,367]

That was directed at Obama and he doesn't visit here anyway. Not racist comments, just a word to demean an individual that deserves it. That whole thread was about Obama catering to blacks only.

 

Oh, well that makes it fine then. Bigot

[nikki2200 4]

That was directed at Obama and he doesn't visit here anyway. Not racist comments, just a word to demean an individual that deserves it. That whole thread was about Obama catering to blacks only.

 

 

What in the FOCK did I miss???

[mobb_deep 919]

There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world (that's a conservative estimate). If you think 5% do or want to blow up Americans, that amounts to 75 million people.

 

Seems kinda high, don't it?

 

Exactly... We're talking abour a VERY small percentage of the population here. At last estimate, there are actually 2.1 billion muslims in the world. Even if 100,000 muslims are what would be considered "extremists", that's less the 1/2 of 1 percent!

 

This whole terrorist problem is a giant facade. It's a fear campaign designed to make Americans feel ok about the stripping of our civil liberties. They want us to believe that we're not safe, so we won't question them stripping the very rights that made America what it is.