Does birth control really cost

[Phurfur 70]

lol there's been a push for a highway bill that both sides agree would create thousands of jobs for several years now. Meanwhile Congress and other idiots are sitting around talking about birth control.

 

Believe it or not, there's a lot of it going around.

 

It is not about birth control, it is about government mandates and control. HTH

 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Ben Franklin

[DankNuggs 305]

I'm not tripping about it and it may help Rush but it hurts Republicans. It arguably hurts Rush too - he lost several major advertizers over it. I like when Rush spouts off, it really shines a lot on the thought pattern of a lot of his listeners.

Thought pattern of liberals is a little more obvious: "Gimme Gimme Gimme"

 

 

"Gimme more!"

 

"I have RIGHTS!....to little white pills"

 

The natural state of man involves popping BC like its pez candy...

[MDC 7,428]

Thought pattern of liberals is a little more obvious: "Gimme Gimme Gimme"

 

 

"Gimme more!"

 

"I have RIGHTS!....to little white pills"

 

The natural state of man involves popping BC like its pez candy...

 

Rush has a point when he says that insurers shouldn't be required to provide contraception. I think they should, but there's room for disagreement.

 

He loses all credibility though when he starts calling Fluke a slvt and saying she should pay society back by making secks videos that he can wank it too. Then he just becomes a disgusting slimeball pig.

 

I really think Obummer pulled a massive rope-a-dope on this issue and made Santorum and Rush look like total arses.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I really think Obummer pulled a massive rope-a-dope on this issue and made Santorum and Rush look like total arses.

You call it a rope-a-dope, I call it a red herring to change the topic. It's politcal gamesmenship. It's the stuff not needed in Washington. It's the exact sort of political mumbo jumbo that needs to be done away with. It's not hope or change. It's same ole same ole.

 

But good for Obama! Hip Hip Hooray! He's a master sleezy politican manipulating the people. Yay! Lets vote for it again!@#!

[jerryskids 6,799]

Rush has a point when he says that insurers shouldn't be required to provide contraception. I think they should, but there's room for disagreement.

 

He loses all credibility though when he starts calling Fluke a slvt and saying she should pay society back by making secks videos that he can wank it too. Then he just becomes a disgusting slimeball pig.

 

I really think Obummer pulled a massive rope-a-dope on this issue and made Santorum and Rush look like total arses.

Rush has a very simple formula:

1. Push buttons on the left.

2. Watch outrage and hilarity ensue.

3. Rinse and repeat.

 

He has managed to make a boatload of money off of it.

 

If you ever really listen to him, he doesn't take himself too seriously. He is like that kid at school who could always get the two toughest kids mad at each other and into a fight. He often plays compilations of people calling him an idiot. He loves that stuff. It feeds his ego, as well as his ratings. Somehow the left hasn't figured this out.

 

The thing is, if your approach is to push the envelope, occasionally you go to far. Even with what we are learning about Fluke: did he go too far with the slvt comments? Mebbe. It certainly has people talking about it though. Also, I think it is a little early to stop the fight and declare Obama the winner.

[DankNuggs 305]

Rush has a point when he says that insurers shouldn't be required to provide contraception. I think they should, but there's room for disagreement.

 

He loses all credibility though when he starts calling Fluke a slvt and saying she should pay society back by making secks videos that he can wank it too. Then he just becomes a disgusting slimeball pig.

 

I really think Obummer pulled a massive rope-a-dope on this issue and made Santorum and Rush look like total arses.

I agree, calling her a slut or nappy headed ho obviously has that shock value, and in this case may have gone a bit too far, i didn't hear the sex tape stuff but sounds like he was hamming it up quite a bit...

 

His point is that increased sexual promiscuity now needed a benefit package to subsidize it... Subsidizing sexual promiscuity is prostitution in a way... He got you to listen and engage in what he's talking about.

[MDC 7,428]

Rush has a very simple formula:

1. Push buttons on the left.

2. Watch outrage and hilarity ensue.

3. Rinse and repeat.

 

He has managed to make a boatload of money off of it.

 

If you ever really listen to him, he doesn't take himself too seriously. He is like that kid at school who could always get the two toughest kids mad at each other and into a fight. He often plays compilations of people calling him an idiot. He loves that stuff. It feeds his ego, as well as his ratings. Somehow the left hasn't figured this out.

 

The thing is, if your approach is to push the envelope, occasionally you go to far. Even with what we are learning about Fluke: did he go too far with the slvt comments? Mebbe. It certainly has people talking about it though. Also, I think it is a little early to stop the fight and declare Obama the winner.

 

I think the left has figured it out. I think they keep stoking up outrage over it because Rush is a mouthpiece of the Republican party and his comments make him money but hurt the GOP.

 

You think Rush went to far in calling Fluke a slvt and saying she should pay him back by posting secks tapes online? You're not reallly going out on a limb there. I think most sane people would agree.

 

I'll declare the fight over. Mitt Romney has no shot this year.

[MDC 7,428]

I agree, calling her a slut or nappy headed ho obviously has that shock value, and in this case may have gone a bit too far, i didn't hear the sex tape stuff but sounds like he was hamming it up quite a bit...

 

His point is that increased sexual promiscuity now needed a benefit package to subsidize it... Subsidizing sexual promiscuity is prostitution in a way... He got you to listen and engage in what he's talking about.

 

Rush Limbaugh either thinks women take a birth control pill every time they have secks or he thinks all women who have secks but don't want to get pregnant are prostitutes. Promiscuity has nothing to do with the cost of the BC pill.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I believe the insurance companies have to provide it free for any people covered under any religious organizations that object to paying for it on religious grounds. They can charge a premium for any other company or organization.

I think you are right. Next thing you know, employees of Christian Science organizations will be expecting all their healthcare to be free.

My guess is that a bunch of things including contraception will be mandated. And limits on premiums will be set. Thus, no one thing will be "free" per se, and the insurance companies will be left to fit 13 eggs into a dozen carton. The administration will say with a straight face that nothing is free, and blame the insurance companies when necessary.

 

Regarding the mechanisms: I don't think those are the problem. Everyone has access to birth control today, for free if necessary. The new mandate will give it for free(-ish, see above) to those who already take it. It won't make irresponsible people responsible.

No one expects expanded access to change the moral fiber of the world's sluts, but it should prevent some unwanted pregnancies - we differ in our perception of the true value of the latter.

Describe for us the typical profile of a woman who doesn't use birth control today, but would under the new mandate. TIA.

1. Poor, without reliable transportation who doesn't live within walking distance of Planned Parenthood. 2. Anyone who doesn't go to PP for fear/embarrassment of being labeled a ho/aborter.

 

I think the second group is far more likely.

[Phurfur 70]

I think you are right. Next thing you know, employees of Christian Science organizations will be expecting all their healthcare to be free.

 

Nice touch.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I think the left has figured it out. I think they keep stoking up outrage over it because Rush is a mouthpiece of the Republican party and his comments make him money but hurt the GOP.

 

You think Rush went to far in calling Fluke a slvt and saying she should pay him back by posting secks tapes online? You're not reallly going out on a limb there. I think most sane people would agree.

 

I'll declare the fight over. Mitt Romney has no shot this year.

You sure post a lot about what Rush says...........ya know, for someone who just claimed he doesn't care what Rush says.

[MDC 7,428]

You sure post a lot about what Rush says...........ya know, for someone who just claimed he doesn't care what Rush says.

 

It interests me only in that the whole contraception thing was a massive overreach and miscalculation by the GOP, and it's hurt their already non-existent shot at the White House this year.

 

Do I care that Rush is a racist, misogynist pig? Not really.

[jerryskids 6,799]

No one expects expanded access to change the moral fiber of the world's sluts, but it should prevent some unwanted pregnancies - we differ in our perception of the true value of the latter.

I didn't say anything about "moral fiber;" I talked about responsibility.

 

Also, the left doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word "access." We've established that everyone already has access to contraceptives, for free if necessary.

 

MedStudent never got back to me with a typical profile of the woman who benefits from the proposal; perhaps you would care to help?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

It interests me only in that the whole contraception thing was a massive overreach and miscalculation by the GOP, and it's hurt their already non-existent shot at the White House this year.

 

They've played right in to the trap too.

 

They should be talking about the unsustainable rate of federal spending or the still-tepid recovery. Instead they are stuck harping on an anti-birth control message that turns off more than half of all voters. Brilliant!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

They've played right in to the trap too.

 

They should be talking about the unsustainable rate of federal spending or the still-tepid recovery. Instead they are stuck harping on an anti-birth control message that turns off more than half of all voters. Brilliant!

Any diversion to keep the dumb masses from looking at the dismal record of Zero. It's the best thing you libs have going for ya.

[MDC 7,428]

Any diversion to keep the dumb masses from looking at the dismal record of Zero.

 

Yep. Obummer played Rush like a fiddle and he's been mind-focking you for years.

[KSB2424 3,148]

MedStudent never got back to me with a typical profile of the woman who benefits from the proposal; perhaps you would care to help?

Every single woman regardless of insurance, age, sexual orinentation, or economic class has access to inexpensive contraceptives if they so choose to go that route.

 

The women that don't either don't want to, don't need to, or are to lazy to seek it out.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I didn't say anything about "moral fiber;" I talked about responsibility.

 

Also, the left doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word "access." We've established that everyone already has access to contraceptives, for free if necessary.

 

MedStudent never got back to me with a typical profile of the woman who benefits from the proposal; perhaps you would care to help?

Behaving responsibly and morals go hand in hand. I'm not sure the access is as good as you assume, unless you think all unintended pregnancies are due to ignorance, irresponsibility or contraceptive failure.

 

I tacked on the profile you requested above. Having worked in an STI clinic, I know sexual health is a very touchy subject. Health care providers sometimes have to go to extremes to maximize compliance with treatments - some patients had to be met off-site because of embarrassment about their diagnosis, for example.

[nikki2200 4]

This is what I do not understand about this whole topic. Out of all the women I've ever dated, in HS, through college, as an adult, I've never once heard a woman complain about not being able to get contraception or that is was so expensive. And some of those women didn't come from well to do homes. Add in the fact that most insurance covers it and we already have places like Planned Parenthood where a woman can go in and get inexpesive care/contraception already. This is such a non issue it mind boggling. It really boils down to Obamacare and trying to mandate something in the private secotor. That's all it is.

 

When there are literally a hundered much more important things going on in the world. True problems out there. This whole Fluke thing is a politcal game.

 

See this is what I agree with. I've had probably over 100 close girl friends over the course of my lifetime. We talk about everything. Gory details of menstrual problems, pregnancies... if you slept with one of my friends, there's a good chance I know how big your cack is. Never once in my life have I ever heard someone complain about not be able to get/afford the pill. I've never read about this issue in Cosmo. I've never seen it on the news. I've never read about it in the newspaper. I know more about the Taliban not allowing women to become literate than I do about this. I've literally never even thought about this as a problem. Especially because of the existence of Planned Parenthood and other organizations that help with women's reproductive services, which I will defend to the death the necessity for them.

 

This is what is frustrating about Obama. He is listening to/catering to some fringe women's rights activists who apparently think women should be able to get the pill for free. And they are making an issue out of it and it's pretty much working because now we have people out there like Rush calling women sluts for using the pill, which is going to piss a lot of women off, myself included. I think this whole thing was political gamesmanship to secure women's votes in 2012, especially if he's running against Santorum considering his views on contraception.

 

I'm really really tired of hearing all the rhetoric around this, and I'm not talking about from here. This whole thing seems to be a calculated move to cause a divide and piss women off. And I think it's working.

 

And like you said, there are easily 100 other "issues" right now that are way way more important than this.

[Reality 3,121]

A 6 page Red Herring discussion. Well played.

[nikki2200 4]

Let's also remember that the pill doesn't come without risks for women, too. So, I certainly hope that insurance companies or whomever make coverage better for the problems that the pill can cause.

 

No one has brought this up yet and I didn't even want to go there. You are a perfect example of the dangers of taking the pill.

 

I stopped taking it a few months ago, because being over 35, I don't think the risks are worth it. And it generally tends to make me focking crazy.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Yep. Obummer played Rush like a fiddle and he's been mind-focking you for years.

Only people Zero has mind-focked are rubes like you who thought he was qualified to be POTUS. I was smart enough to know better before the election. I didn't need to wait for his clusterfukk of a Presidency, Dumbass.

[nikki2200 4]

They've played right in to the trap too.

 

They should be talking about the unsustainable rate of federal spending or the still-tepid recovery. Instead they are stuck harping on an anti-birth control message that turns off more than half of all voters. Brilliant!

 

Yep. I just posted this. I think it was a political game, and it worked.

[penultimatestraw 473]

No one has brought this up yet and I didn't even want to go there. You are a perfect example of the dangers of taking the pill.

 

I stopped taking it a few months ago, because being over 35, I don't think the risks are worth it. And it generally tends to make me focking crazy.

A couple other people did, myself included. With all the contraceptive options this is a non-issue IMO.

 

If you are trying to stomp out the crazy, you may want to lay off the food, water and air, too.

[MDC 7,428]

Only people Zero has mind-focked are rubes like you who thought he was qualified to be POTUS. I was smart enough to know better before the election. I didn't need to wait for his clusterfukk of a Presidency, Dumbass.

 

I'd say posting hundreds and hundreds of threads about him shows Obummer's got your goat.

 

The funniest part is that he's a lock for re-election so we get to see you for four more years.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Behaving responsibly and morals go hand in hand. I'm not sure the access is as good as you assume, unless you think all unintended pregnancies are due to ignorance, irresponsibility or contraceptive failure.

 

I tacked on the profile you requested above. Having worked in an STI clinic, I know sexual health is a very touchy subject. Health care providers sometimes have to go to extremes to maximize compliance with treatments - some patients had to be met off-site because of embarrassment about their diagnosis, for example.

I don't think the words are the same, or there wouldn't be two different words. I was merely trying to avoid the religious connotation of morality. Whatever.

 

You've narrowed down a good list of the 4 reasons for unwanted pregnancy. I'm still not seeing the issue with access though. What I think you are saying is... some means of access carry with them an embarrassment factor, or a perceived one, which inhibits them from choosing to go through the process to get birth control?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I'd say posting hundreds and hundreds of threads about him shows Obummer's got your goat.

 

 

Me posting the latest clusterfukk failure of a policy by Obama doesn't mean he's got my goat, Dumbass. It means he provides ample material on the failure front.

[MDC 7,428]

Me posting the latest clusterfukk failure of a policy by Obama doesn't mean he's got my goat, Dumbass. It means he provides ample material on the failure front.

 

The countless hours of your wife you've spent reading editorials about Obummer, posting thread after thread about Obummer, and arguing all day long every day about Obummer, shows me he's been mind-fvcking you for years. You're utterly obsessed and he's played you like a fiddle and wasted hundreds of hours of your worthless life.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The countless hours of your wife you've spent reading editorials about Obummer, posting thread after thread about Obummer, and arguing all day long every day about Obummer, shows me he's been mind-fvcking you for years. You're utterly obsessed and he's played you like a fiddle and wasted hundreds of hours of your worthless life.

You vastly overestimate the time and effort needed to locate the latest Obama fukk up.

 

For every post of mine exposing the latest Obama disaster, there are 2 from you about it.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I don't think the words are the same, or there wouldn't be two different words. I was merely trying to avoid the religious connotation of morality. Whatever.

 

You've narrowed down a good list of the 4 reasons for unwanted pregnancy. I'm still not seeing the issue with access though. What I think you are saying is... some means of access carry with them an embarrassment factor, or a perceived one, which inhibits them from choosing to go through the process to get birth control?

Don't get me started with the assumption that moral = religious. They are two different words, too.

 

Yes, I am saying the current providers of free contraceptives may not be accessible to all who need them, either due to practical limitations (transportation) or reluctance to utilize their services. Ignorance of their availability probably plays a big role, too.

 

Cheap, lazy or manipulative may characterize some of the contraceptive abstainers, but not most, I'm guessing.

[MDC 7,428]

You vastly overestimate the time and effort needed to locate the latest Obama fukk up.

 

Do you belong to some kind of listserv to get the latest Obummer news to cry about?

 

For every post of mine exposing the latest Obama disaster, there are 2 from you about it.

 

I really doubt you can find eight freaking pages of me complaining about you or Obummer, Corky.

 

[rallo 136]

 

 

Corky

 

 

 

 

DRINK!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Do you belong to some kind of listserv to get the latest Obummer news to cry about?

 

 

 

I really doubt you can find eight freaking pages of me complaining about you or Obummer, Corky.

 

 

The roll of sifting through threads from 2007 is all yours, Dumbass.

[MDC 7,428]

The roll of sifting through threads from 2007 is all yours, Dumbass.

 

It doesn't take much sifting to bring up EIGHT FREAKING PAGES of threads you've started about Obummer, and those are just the ones that come up in a quick search.

 

A life: get one!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It doesn't take much sifting to bring up EIGHT FREAKING PAGES of threads you've started about Obummer, and those are just the ones that come up in a quick search.

 

Keep up the good work, Dumbass.

[MDC 7,428]

Keep up the good work, Dumbass.

 

It was your plan all along for everyone to expose your pathetic mancruch on Obummer?

[gocolts 300]

Hypocrisy

 

Demanding the government stay out of your womb and bedroom while at the same time demanding that the government pay for you birth control and abortions.

[peenie 1,915]

just wanted to point out that some of you are crazy.

seriously, you are crazed individuals.

 

the answer has already been given, yes it can cost nearly a grand a year if you buy birth control when you don't have insurance to lower the cost.

 

hence, non-working people are the ones most likely to have to pay more for birth control when they are the least that can afford it and the most likely to be a drain on society if an unwanted pregnancy should occur.

 

i have already stated that i used to BUY birth control because i had a prescription for it, then give it to my sister who PAID me for it. it would have cost her a lot more by buying them without a prescription and at the time she did not have her own health insurance.

 

titans, if someone had actually read your post this thread would've been 3 pages shorter!

 

Pregnancy

 

The United States’ teen pregnancy rate is almost three times that of Germany and France, and over four times that of the Netherlands.

 

Abortion

 

In the United States, the teen abortion rate is twice that of Germany and more than 1.5 times that of the Netherlands.

 

HIV

 

The percentage of the United States’ adult population that has been diagnosed with HIV or AIDS is six times greater than in Germany, three times greater than in the Netherlands, and one-and-a-half times greater than in France.

 

U.S. teens still use contraception or condoms much less consistently than their peers in Europe. When measuring use of highly effective hormonal contraception, condoms, or both, researchers found that German, French, and Dutch youth were significantly more likely to be well protected at most recent sex than were their U.S. peers. The greatest disparities were in contraceptive pill use among females. French young women were more than twice as likely to have been using contraceptive pills at last intercourse as young women in the United States, German youth five times as likely, and Dutch youth almost six times as likely.

 

i know that you all don't like to read so i'm only going to include what is important to this topic:

 

 

Research is the basis for public health policies to reduce unintended pregnancies, abortions, and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Political and religious interest groups have little influence on public health policy.

 

A national desire to reduce the number of abortions and to prevent sexually transmitted infections, including HIV, provides the major impetus in each country for ensuring easy access to contraception and condoms, consistent sex education, and widespread public education campaigns.

 

Governments support massive, consistent, long-term public education campaigns, through the Internet, television, films, radio, billboards, discos, pharmacies, and health care providers. Media is a respected partner in these campaigns. Campaigns are direct and humorous and focus on both safety and pleasure.

 

Youth have convenient access to free or low-cost contraception through national health insurance.

 

Sex education is not necessarily a separate curriculum and is usually integrated across school subjects and at all grade levels. Educators provide accurate and complete information in response to students’ questions.

 

 

Adults see intimate sexual relationships as normal and natural for older adolescents, a positive component of emotionally healthy maturation. At the same time, young people believe it is ‘stupid and irresponsible’ to have sex without protection. Youth rely on the maxim, ‘safer sex or no sex’.

 

link

[phillybear 366]

If you can't afford birth control don't have sex, you stupid motherfockers.

 

phillybear wins again. phillybear wins again.

[peenie 1,915]

lol!!

sadly, our genetics simply won't allow that.