Ramrock 13 Posted October 6, 2013 should be nate newton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,654 Posted October 6, 2013 Newton is beyond the suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,741 Posted October 6, 2013 AZ def no joke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 6, 2013 He really looks bad. That offense has gained yards, and he has screwed them with awful plays in crucial situations time after time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 6, 2013 AZ def no joke  Their D can play well, but Newton has self-destructed all day.  The INTs to Peterson and the last one to the LB were just terrible decisions followed by equally bad throws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramrock 13 Posted October 6, 2013 is greg olsen playing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 6, 2013 Ya.. He sucks. Don't run anymore neither.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 6, 2013 Carolina has done a lousy job of putting weapons around him. Get this poor guy a better WR than old Steve Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 6, 2013 Carolina has done a lousy job of putting weapons around him. Get this poor guy a better WR than old Steve Smith. Â Nothing wrong with Ginn (who has really improved his route running), Smith, Olsen, Williams, Tolbert for short yardage. Â Newton has a strong arm but has shown no development in his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalie 2 Posted October 7, 2013 Glad I went Romo today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
browns16-0 30 Posted October 7, 2013 Glad I went Romo today... Â Yup, 54 point difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dsausage 36 Posted October 7, 2013 Glad I went Homo today... Fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted October 7, 2013 I just want to drop this POS!!! Forcing INTS to S. Smith in the redzone, GTFO!!! Â I'm beating myself for not starting Rivers over Cam. It was my gut feeling, but ever since Rivers burned me last year, or maybe 2 years ago, I still think he'll end up stinking it up and going back to old Rivers. Â Now Cam is burning me!!! Â I want Peyton Manning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 Â Nothing wrong with Ginn (who has really improved his route running), Smith, Olsen, Williams, Tolbert for short yardage. Â Newton has a strong arm but has shown no development in his game. Â What, really? Â Ginn is a castoff who could never make it with 2 other teams and Newton has actually made him look somewhat dangerous. Smith was on his way to obscurity before Newton rejuvenated his career 2 years ago. Now he's just old. Williams likewise has seen his best years and is now merely a committee back. Tolbert? Seriously? Â Olsen is the one and only upper tier player at his position who is in the prime of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 Â What, really? Â Ginn is a castoff who could never make it with 2 other teams and Newton has actually made him look somewhat dangerous. Smith was on his way to obscurity before Newton rejuvenated his career 2 years ago. Now he's just old. Williams likewise has seen his best years and is now merely a committee back. Tolbert? Seriously? Â Olsen is the one and only upper tier player at his position who is in the prime of his career. Â OK. It's all on the other guys, not Newton. Because all the other QB in the league who are far more successful have nothing but HOFers to throw to. Â He's a big guy with a big arm who makes big mistakes time after time. Â Watch today's 3 INT, 7 sacks and lost fumble and tell me it's on everyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heavy-set 39 Posted October 7, 2013 newton is crap as a passer. maybe its the lack of targets. steve smith? brandon lafell? Â do they have a pass catching rb? Â ted ginn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 Â OK. It's all on the other guys, not Newton. Because all the other QB in the league who are far more successful have nothing but HOFers to throw to. Â He's a big guy with a big arm who makes big mistakes time after time. Â Watch today's game if you haven't already and tell me it's everyone else. Â How does Brady look without high caliber targets to throw to? Kaepernick? Roethlisberger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 7, 2013 Look at Newtons numbers the past 3 seasons. Outside of the 3-4 big games, he blows. Â The QB position should be the most consistent, but newtons numbers never reflect that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 Â How does Brady look without high caliber targets to throw to? Kaepernick? Roethlisberger? Â Phillip Rivers? Jay Cutler? Russell Wilson? Alex Smith? Â Two of the three you mention will be in the post-season. The QB job is about making smart plays and winning games. Newton does neither. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 Look at Newtons numbers the past 3 seasons. Outside of the 3-4 big games, he blows. Â The QB position should be the most consistent, but newtons numbers never reflect that. Â This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 Â Phillip Rivers? Jay Cutler? Russell Wilson? Alex Smith? Â Two of the three you mention will be in the post-season. The QB job is about making smart plays and winning games. Newton does neither. Â Really? You're citing Rivers and Cutler as examples of QBs who make smart plays and don't hurt their team? Alrighty then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 Â Really? You're citing Rivers and Cutler as examples of QBs who make smart plays and don't hurt their team? Alrighty then. Â No, I'm responding to your comment and citing QB who are winning games without great targets. Â But since you apparently haven't watched Newton this season, I shouldn't be surprised that you haven't seen Rivers either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 829 Posted October 7, 2013 I just want to drop this POS!!! Â If you did drop him, I doubt anyone would scramble to pick him up unless they had a really horrible back-up. Newton's stock has fallen about as low as possible. Â Looking back, it's amazing he had an ADP of mid-5th round this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 Â No, I'm responding to your comment and citing QB who are winning games without great targets. Â But since you apparently haven't watched Newton this season, I shouldn't be surprised that you haven't seen Rivers either. Â So, Rivers having a couple of big games erases his previous 2 years of being a mistake prone turnover machine? Did you just start watching football 4 weeks ago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 Â So, Rivers having a couple of big games erases his previous 2 years of being a mistake prone turnover machine? Did you just start watching football 4 weeks ago? Â Call me when Newton has some of those big games instead of being a mistake prone turnover machine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 ...and as a write this, Rivers throws up a duck leading to the Raiders first touchdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 7, 2013 ...and as a write this, Rivers throws up a duck leading to the Raiders first touchdown. Â Of course, with luminaries like Vincent Brown, Keenan Allen, antique Antonio Gates and a RB whose been through 3 teams at the skill positions, he's blameless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MemoryShock 1 Posted October 7, 2013 Cam scores over 30 next week against the Vikings. Heard it here first, folks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RightCoastSurfer 1 Posted October 7, 2013 Â What, really? Â Ginn is a castoff who could never make it with 2 other teams and Newton has actually made him look somewhat dangerous. Smith was on his way to obscurity before Newton rejuvenated his career 2 years ago. Now he's just old. Williams likewise has seen his best years and is now merely a committee back. Tolbert? Seriously? Â Olsen is the one and only upper tier player at his position who is in the prime of his career. Lavar is that you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,899 Posted October 7, 2013 Â If you did drop him, I doubt anyone would scramble to pick him up unless they had a really horrible back-up. Newton's stock has fallen about as low as possible. Â Looking back, it's amazing he had an ADP of mid-5th round this year. Â Because he was the 4th-highest scoring QB last year in his 2nd year in the league? Â Â Â Look at Newtons numbers the past 3 seasons. Outside of the 3-4 big games, he blows.The QB position should be the most consistent, but newtons numbers never reflect that. Â He was actually pretty consistent last year for fantasy purposes IMO. In standard leagues he only had 3 games with 10 points or less (with 1 of those being week 17 which probably didn't even count), and 3 others under 15. For comparison purposes, Aaron Rodgers, the next highest scoring QB, also had 3 games with 10 points or less and 3 others under 15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 7, 2013 Â Â Because he was the 4th-highest scoring QB last year in his 2nd year in the league? Â Â Â Â He was actually pretty consistent last year for fantasy purposes IMO. In standard leagues he only had 3 games with 10 points or less (with 1 of those being week 17 which probably didn't even count), and 3 others under 15. For comparison purposes, Aaron Rodgers, the next highest scoring QB, also had 3 games with 10 points or less and 3 others under 15. Â Â Not sure how he could be 4th overall last season. Your scoring is probably 4 for passing TD and 6 for rushing? He finished 8th overall in my league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,899 Posted October 7, 2013 That was based on ESPN standard scoring. Maybe in 6 pt passing TD leagues he'd be lower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted October 7, 2013 I'm not pushing the panic button. Newton shredded the Cards in the first half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RightCoastSurfer 1 Posted October 7, 2013 Carolina has done a lousy job of putting weapons around him. Get this poor guy a better WR than old Steve Smith. Old Steve Smith, as you put it ran by P.Peterson and Fig Newton threw it short, way short. Please stop blaming other people for Cam's ineptitude. Â On his last pick he had almost 5 seconds to throw the ball and a clear lane to scramble and he still managed to throw a pick. Â He's a third year player making rookie mistakes. It's not all on him but he is after all the one making the decisions and throwing the ball. Cam = million $ body 10cent brain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 7, 2013 Old Steve Smith, as you put it ran by P.Peterson and Fig Newton threw it short, way short. Please stop blaming other people for Cam's ineptitude.  On his last pick he had almost 5 seconds to throw the ball and a clear lane to scramble and he still managed to throw a pick.  He's a third year player making rookie mistakes. It's not all on him but he is after all the one making the decisions and throwing the ball. Cam = million $ body 10cent brain  I also saw Smith and LaFell with a few ugly drops- one of which would have been a TD. The point is, Newton does not have a lot of help. He may not be playing his best right now, but the set of skill position guys in Carolina is among the worst in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RightCoastSurfer 1 Posted October 7, 2013 I also saw Smith and LaFell with a few ugly drops- one of which would have been a TD. The point is, Newton does not have a lot of help. He may not be playing his best right now, but the set of skill position guys in Carolina is among the worst in the league.You are right about the drops but this is something every team deals with. Wether or not he has the worst players at the skill positions is debatable. What isn't debatable is that he has good enough players around him to be successful but his inconsistent playwill make the Panthers bottom dwellers in their division. What's frustrating about Cam is that his problems are all from the neck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreenTD 56 Posted October 7, 2013 Cam has been making rookie mistakes consistently this year but his receivers weren't helping much either with the drops that I saw when not watching the DEN/DAL game yesterday. Â Their offensive line has fallen apart & regressed from the unit that he started with in his rookie year. Not a fan of the read-option fad but Cam is 6'5" & like 240 pounds if I'm not mistaken. That's fockin huge! Run the ball & improvise once outside of the pocket. The guy never has been & never will be a pocket passer. Why Rivera & what ever joke of an OC that Carolina has think they can change that need to take a drug test. Â In all fairness, Arizona's defense is vastly underrated, especially at home. Carolina's defense was keeping Palmer & Co. in check fairly well but Carolina's offense was pressing instead of taking what they could get. Cam's "Superman" moniker gets him into trouble because he makes too many dumb plays trying to play outside of his comfort zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,113 Posted October 8, 2013 Some of the blame probably goes back to Mike Shula. He's been ruining offenses for years now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MemoryShock 1 Posted October 13, 2013 Cam scores over 30 next week against the Vikings. Heard it here first, folks... Called it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites