Justina Pelletier

[psychsurvivor 2]

I told you... the answer is at the bottom of the page. Go down and switch your theme. It will take you to a previous version of this board, where there are a bunch of "get to know you" type of threads.

There's a ton of great info in there...

Can you be more specific, please?

 

A link to the actual thread where the size of your boobs was discussed would be helpful .

[SUXBNME 1,586]

So, next question, why is that this fftodayforums rank so high in Google in general? Is this fantasy football popular or you have people infiltrated in Google that make sure your posts rank high ?

We broke the story on Michael Jordan focking Phil Mickelsons wife. We have clout.

[OldMaid 2,134]

It's not on this board...

 

Last year they switched the board over to what we have now. Some of the older content didn't tranfer. If you want to read them, you hve to go to the bottom of the page, where it says "change theme", and switch it to the other one. Then you will be able to read those threads.

[psychsurvivor 2]

We broke the story on Michael Jordan focking Phil Mickelsons wife. We have clout.

But that would explain why Google would bring you here if you search for those terms. However, it seems that Google takes you here for other issues as well, like this Justina story. It seems unlikely that Google would rank you that high only because of the Michael Jordan focking thing .

[SUXBNME 1,586]

But that would explain why Google would bring you here if you search for those terms. However, it seems that Google takes you here for other issues as well, like this Justina story. It seems unlikely that Google would rank you that high only because of the Michael Jordan focking thing .

90% of the posters here work in IT. Some of them are also very high ranking members of the group Anonymous.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

It's not on this board...

 

Last year they switched the board over to what we have now. Some of the older content didn't tranfer. If you want to read them, you hve to go to the bottom of the page, where it says "change theme", and switch it to the other one. Then you will be able to read those threads.

Thanks for the tip, works like a charm

[OldMaid 2,134]

Thanks for the tip, works like a charm

It's really a shame... some of the better threads are over there.

 

Are Batteries Electric?

 

Is Being Here Illegally a Crime?

 

All of the Ask Me Anything threads.

 

A lot of good reads.

[rollinghills60 0]

There is no citation concerning the high threshold for inciting the diagnosis for MCA, nor is there one implying it is overdiagnosed. The single link complaining about Mass DCF notes 5 cases of MCA which were reviewed, 4 of which were upheld by the courts. I think the emotional nature of taking one's child promotes a level of media scrutiny which magnifies the problem, and this is probably a good thing in the rare cases where the medical community oversteps their bounds. Misdiagnosis of rare diseases (usually for other medical diagnoses) is likely far more common, but standard medical training insists all physical causes be excluded before psychiatric ones are considered - they are diagnoses of exclusion everywhere, including Mass.

 

For the umpteenth + 1 time, it wasn't a psychiatrist who started down this path. It was a neurology resident I believe, whose impression would need to be confirmed by an attending physician before psychiatry would even be consulted. What would motivate this initial suspicion???? Not an incestuous relationship between mental health professionals, the DCF and Mass courts. But we don't have these critical details.

 

I also think the excuses for no muscle biopsy are poor. Pain is a potential complication of the procedure, but it is rare and manageable.

 

I am not dismissing your scenario altogether, just acknowledging a more probable one in my professional opinion. The longer this drags on the less likely your alternative is correct. We are all just making our best guess at this point, but I appreciate you civility in acknowledging differing opinions. We both want the truth to prevail and Justina to live her life happily.

I do not agree that the longer this drags on, the more probable it is that BCH is correct. I think the judge has dug in his heels, and sees no way to back out without looking like a total idiot, and a cruel one at that - not to mention that by admitting that he/Children's/DCF were wrong, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the hospital would undoubtedly be a target of a huge lawsuit. I think it is quite possible that your hypothesis (number 4, I believe) from a previous post - that Children's does agree that Justina has mito, but for some reason also thinks (or wants to continue to pretend) that she has somatoform - is correct.

 

The judge has stated that he wants Connecticut's DCF to take over. I think he hopes that if he can pressure them to do that, he will be off the hot seat, the Pelletiers will be forced to sign an agreement not to sue anyone in order to get Justina back, and the problem will all go away.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Actually you don't. You want to believe that BCH is right -and you are rooting for them to prevail whatever it takes- because otherwise your worldview would be seriously threatened. The notion that because the judge is kicking the can down the road it means that you are probably right is complete baloney.

 

Take the unconstitutional gag order. It lasted as long as the coward judge understood that the extra scrutiny was painting him in a bad light. Sunlight made it go away not its unconstitutional nature. Had it not been because Lou violated it, the gag order would still be in place. If you had actually read the leaked opinion there is nothing there to justify the judge's actions other than his own desire that by kicking the can further down the road people will forget. Well, we will NOT forget.

 

With respect that you want Justina to live her life happily, you are absolutely pathetic.

 

After 14 months of brainwashing by BCH psychiatrists and limited contact with her family, Justina has made it clear in no uncertain terms that she wants to go home now, period. You can watch the video by yourself. She has also accused the hospital of abusing her in a secret message to her parents.

 

Since you are a pathetic old fart who believes that BCH doctors are gods, of course you are siding with the notion that gods know better than Justina what's best for her. Again, it says more about your own worldview than about what's best for Justina .

 

Do you ever tire of trying to spread lies about what pen has said and how he thinks...since you supposedly can now read his mind.

Seems you call him pathetic...but you continue to misrepresent what he has said over and over again.

Seriously...grow up dude...

[penultimatestraw 473]

I do not agree that the longer this drags on, the more probable it is that BCH is correct. I think the judge has dug in his heels, and sees no way to back out without looking like a total idiot, and a cruel one at that - not to mention that by admitting that he/Children's/DCF were wrong, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the hospital would undoubtedly be a target of a huge lawsuit. I think it is quite possible that your hypothesis (number 4, I believe) from a previous post - that Children's does agree that Justina has mito, but for some reason also thinks (or wants to continue to pretend) that she has somatoform - is correct.

 

The judge has stated that he wants Connecticut's DCF to take over. I think he hopes that if he can pressure them to do that, he will be off the hot seat, the Pelletiers will be forced to sign an agreement not to sue anyone in order to get Justina back, and the problem will all go away.

Fair enough. Under your set of assumptions, it is nearly impossible to imagine a scenario where the Mass courts wouldn't support the BCS docs, yet it has happened in at least one of the MCA cases reviewed. What was different about that case? Again, what do you think motivated the non-psychiatrist who first raised the suspicion of MCA????

 

I've allowed that I may be incorrect, and that your version of the case is accurate. I just have more faith that the system will find the right answer than you do. At this point, under what circumstances could you be swayed to believe the parents were abusing Justina?

[rollinghills60 0]

Fair enough. Under your set of assumptions, it is nearly impossible to imagine a scenario where the Mass courts wouldn't support the BCS docs, yet it has happened in at least one of the MCA cases reviewed. What was different about that case? Again, what do you think motivated the non-psychiatrist who first raised the suspicion of MCA????

 

I've allowed that I may be incorrect, and that your version of the case is accurate. I just have more faith that the system will find the right answer than you do. At this point, under what circumstances could you be swayed to believe the parents were abusing Justina?

I can envision a number of scenarios where the Mass court would not support Children's - a fair and reasonable judge, for instance. I haven't heard that Judge Johnston has been involved in previous cases where there was a diagnostic dispute and Children's suggested medical child abuse, so I assume it was s different judge.

 

Although I obviously can not read the mind of the neurology resident who suggested MCA, but it could be simple arrogance (he certainly appears to be smirking here: http://www.childrenshospital.org/doctors/jurriaan-peters or it could be cultural. I don't know much about the culture in Belgium, where he went to medical school, but apparently in Germany customer service is virtually non-existent, and that seems to be true of patient (or parent) - physician relationships as well - maybe it is similar in Belgium and Amsterdam.

 

At this point, I think the only thing that would sway me to believe that Justina had been abused would be if Justina or her sisters reported abuse. As far as I know, no one has even suggested that the parents actively abused her, by poisoning or something similar. I do not believe that there is any way that the parents could have bamboozled Dr. Korson, Dr. Flores, the surgeons who operated on her, and the insurance company - especially since she was given a test of intestinal function prior to the operation at Tufts.

[psychsurvivor 2]

90% of the posters here work in IT. Some of them are also very high ranking members of the group Anonymous. [/size]

WOW! I have to say that I am intrigued. What you say makes sense though because there is now way that such a sh1tty website (no offense, but the website does look sh1tty in comparison to others ) would rank so high in Google searches.

 

Speaking of Anonymous, they have released a couple of videos in support of Justina. I will not post here their most impressive production, because it also contains threatening language that I am uncomfortable with and I do not condone said threats, but I am a big supporter of every peaceful and legal action they have advocated for, including several Twitter storms. You can google that video for yourselves "Anonymous #OpJustina Press Release Video".

[psychsurvivor 2]

Although I obviously can not read the mind of the neurology resident who suggested MCA, but it could be simple arrogance (he certainly appears to be smirking here: http://www.childrenshospital.org/doctors/jurriaan-peters or it could be cultural. I don't know much about the culture in Belgium, where he went to medical school, but apparently in Germany customer service is virtually non-existent, and that seems to be true of patient (or parent) - physician relationships as well - maybe it is similar in Belgium and Amsterdam.

 

As a former European, I can assure you that Mr Peters thinking that he is god because he works at a Harvard affiliated hospital -where he also did his residency- definitely played a role. While it might not look like that from here, all European countries are very hierarchical societies. I have lived in several European countries (and I have met many people from several others both in Europe and here in the US). The consensus is that indeed, while on the surface things might look very different, deep inside things have not changed much since the days prior to the French Revolution. Those who call the shots today are the descendants of those who did hundreds of years ago. Different forms, same principle of hierarchical society. Those in academia or the professional ranks expect reverence from those whom they see beneath them. So sure, a European born, Harvard trained doctor thinks that nobody should be able to question his diagnosis, certainly not ignorant American parents who never went to college, or the pals at Tufts which is ranked below Harvard .

[jerryskids 6,974]

He's an HIV+ robot that passed the Turing test, whose parents institutionalized him in Europe. After escaping, he works as an anonymous scientist until he can save up money to become a full-time antipsychiatry activist.

 

 

He's a loon. Like a real, genuine nutball.

 

I'm thinking that somewhere in here is the truth. I've read some of his posts and... meh, who am I kidding, he types too many werds for me to pay attention. After scanning page after page of his manifestos I began to think that he had some sort of pseudo random sentence combiner, and started to wonder if all of these posts are unique. But I'm too lazy to go back and analyze (see above attention issue).

 

Then I saw this Turing stuff and I was like whoa...

[psychsurvivor 2]

Then I saw this Turing stuff and I was like whoa...

Imagine for a second that I was a robot able to pass the Turing test. My programmer would be worth millions. Do you think the most challenging assignment I would have would be to spend my time with middle school girls .

[OldMaid 2,134]

Did you read those threads yet? You should... they are very entertaining.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Did you read those threads yet? You should... they are very entertaining.

No, in fact, I changed the version of the forums and now I cannot go back, the "change theme" has disappeared .

[jerryskids 6,974]

Imagine for a second that I was a robot able to pass the Turing test. My programmer would be worth millions. Do you think the most challenging assignment I would have would be to spend my time with middle school girls .

How does that make you feel?

[psychsurvivor 2]

How does that make you feel?

I am not programmed to answer that question .

[OldMaid 2,134]

No, in fact, I changed the version of the forums and now I cannot go back, the "change theme" has disappeared .

You must not have done it right.

[jerryskids 6,974]

I am not programmed to answer that question .

I always lie.

[psychsurvivor 2]

You must not have done it right.

Can you provide a quick summary. I am interested in the "boobs" part .

[psychsurvivor 2]

I always lie.

Is this meant to test a paradox?

 

Meaning, if you always lie, you would be lying here but if you would be lying here, you would be telling the truth, which takes us backs to square one. My program just got utterly confused .

[OldMaid 2,134]

Can you provide a quick summary. I am interested in the "boobs" part .

I've given you all the help you're gonna get.

[jerryskids 6,974]

Is this meant to test a paradox?

 

Meaning, if you always lie, you would be lying here but if you would be lying here, you would be telling the truth, which takes us backs to square one. My program just got utterly confused .

This exchange has been as much fun as a box of herpes. Which describes 1/2 of the posters here. Congrats, you are human!

 

alsocrazy

[OldMaid 2,134]

No, in fact, I changed the version of the forums and now I cannot go back, the "change theme" has disappeared .

So, how'd you get back to this version?

[penultimatestraw 473]

I can envision a number of scenarios where the Mass court would not support Children's - a fair and reasonable judge, for instance. I haven't heard that Judge Johnston has been involved in previous cases where there was a diagnostic dispute and Children's suggested medical child abuse, so I assume it was s different judge.

 

Although I obviously can not read the mind of the neurology resident who suggested MCA, but it could be simple arrogance (he certainly appears to be smirking here: http://www.childrenshospital.org/doctors/jurriaan-peters or it could be cultural. I don't know much about the culture in Belgium, where he went to medical school, but apparently in Germany customer service is virtually non-existent, and that seems to be true of patient (or parent) - physician relationships as well - maybe it is similar in Belgium and Amsterdam.

 

At this point, I think the only thing that would sway me to believe that Justina had been abused would be if Justina or her sisters reported abuse. As far as I know, no one has even suggested that the parents actively abused her, by poisoning or something similar. I do not believe that there is any way that the parents could have bamboozled Dr. Korson, Dr. Flores, the surgeons who operated on her, and the insurance company - especially since she was given a test of intestinal function prior to the operation at Tufts.

Your bias is showing through if you think that photo is indicative of anything. Even if he is super arrogant, he'd have to be pretty cruel to make a MCA diagnosis just to stroke his ego. I don't know anything about Belgium either, but you might as well add an entire country to the conspiracy.

 

We don't know what evidence BCH had of abuse. And Justina may not even realize she was a victim. In any event, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and wait for the court's decision.

 

What is you opinion of psychiatric treatment in general?

[rollinghills60 0]

I don't think he made a conscious decision to incarcerate Justina just to stroke his ego. I think his ego biased him against the parents. I have seen this happen more than once - a fair number of doctors and other medical professional think that they deserve not only respect but also complete willingness on the part of their patients to go along with whatever they say just by virtue of their position. I once had to deal with a doctor who acted like any opinion I held as a result of my research was worthless - until I let her know that I had an advanced degree in a related field, and then suddenly she was willing to listen. There are a lot of doctors (and teachers, for that matter), who think that teens should kowtow to them, and don't know how to deal with those who stand up for themselves. In one of the articles I read, it said that Justina at one point demanded to speak to a lawyer. When one of my kids was hospitalized as a teen, she "fired" her physical therapist (the replacement p.t. was fantastic), demanded (successfully) to have different nursing staff assigned to her on a couple of occasions, and demanded to speak to a lawyer when essential equipment that had been promised did not materialize. It was pretty clear that the pediatric medical staff were not used to having teens advocate for themselves so strongly. From what I have heard from a relative in Germany, many, though not all, doctors there are of the "shut up and do what I say" persuasion.

 

Years ago there was an article in the Globe about a young (early twenties) social worker who managed to take nursing twins away from their family, because one of them suffered from brittle bone disease and she thought it was abuse, even though the mother had been diagnosed with a less severe form of it. It took months for them to get their poor babies back, and obviously this totally destroyed their nursing relationship. The social worker was quoted in the article as saying that she did not understand why the parents did not "respect" her because she was a social worker, and that in her home country that respect would have been automatic. Well, thank goodness that is not true in the United States - although apparently some people think it should be.

 

I don't know that you can generalize about psychiatry. CBT or DBT apparently work for some people; I think attempting to uncover "repressed memories," and hypnosis are pretty silly.

[crackattack 520]

Your bias is showing through if you think that photo is indicative of anything. Even if he is super arrogant, he'd have to be pretty cruel to make a MCA diagnosis just to stroke his ego. I don't know anything about Belgium either, but you might as well add an entire country to the conspiracy.

 

We don't know what evidence BCH had of abuse. And Justina may not even realize she was a victim. In any event, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and wait for the court's decision.

 

What is you opinion of psychiatric treatment in general?

Pen. Why are you waisting your time. They are both anti psychiatric treatment. Not sure these two posters are not the same person. Waaaaaaay to many similarities. Both have advanced degrees, one in a scientific field, one in a medical field. Both randomly stumbled in from an obscure Google search, both know more about the case then the rest of the public. They both have all the facts of the case. They both apparently have been in the court and discussed the case with the attorneys, judge, hospital. They obviously have have been privy to the medical records. My point is your just typing to hear the keyboard make noise, because it doesn't matter. Their minds are made up. Hell the newer member is calling someone arrogant based off a photo....one photo!!!!

[rollinghills60 0]

And your mind is not already made up? I actually think Dr. Peters is arrogant because he chose to ignore another doctor's diagnosis without discussing it with him, and in spite of the fact that his area of expertise is epilepsy, not mito or psychiatry. The apparent smirk on his face is just further evidence. Of course maybe he is not smiling because he has bad teeth.

 

I do know more about Children's Hospital than a lot of the posters, because several of my relatives have been treated there. I have lived in Massachusetts almost all my life; I know people who have worked for DCF and their contractors.

 

And I kind of doubt if psychsurvivor and I would agree on much if we were discussing, say, evolution, or single payer health care.

[NewbieJr 541]

If no one would bother engaging these two loonybirds, they'd find some other board to spread their anti-psychology nonsense on. Just sayin'

[drobeski 3,061]

If no one would bother engaging these two loonybirds, they'd find some other board to spread their anti-psychology nonsense on. Just sayin'

it appears the meam girls can't help themselves, just sayin

[crackattack 520]

And your mind is not already made up? I actually think Dr. Peters is arrogant because he chose to ignore another doctor's diagnosis without discussing it with him, and in spite of the fact that his area of expertise is epilepsy, not mito or psychiatry. The apparent smirk on his face is just further evidence. Of course maybe he is not smiling because he has bad teeth.

 

I do know more about Children's Hospital than a lot of the posters, because several of my relatives have been treated there. I have lived in Massachusetts almost all my life; I know people who have worked for DCF and their contractors.

 

And I kind of doubt if psychsurvivor and I would agree on much if we were discussing, say, evolution, or single payer health care.

No my mind is not made up. I don't have the facts of the case or the medical info, and neither do you. If the hospital is wrong...great. if the hospital is right....great. I don't have a hidden agenda, or bad experience like you and psycho do.

[crackattack 520]

If no one would bother engaging these two loonybirds, they'd find some other board to spread their anti-psychology nonsense on. Just sayin'

That's the problem. I clearly addressed pen and the other chimed in. See that's what crazies do. They hear things in their head.....the voices. Or just poor reading comprehension???

[drobeski 3,061]

See

[OldMaid 2,134]

The new gal doesn't come off as looney. She just happens to disagree with Pen. From what I've read, she seems perfectly capable of having a civil debate.

 

Psycho on the other hand... Has trouble interpreting what he reads. He sees "some cases" and "some patients" as "all". He also thinks that Pen finding something "easier to believe" is bias. Plus, he is clearly unable to detect when people are making fun of him. Dude has issues.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

The new gal doesn't come off as looney. She just happens to disagree with Pen. From what I've read, she seems perfectly capable of having a civil debate.

She never responded to my can size inquiry

[OldMaid 2,134]

She never responded to my can size inquiry

Well then... off to the looney bin with her!#@!

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Well then... off to the looney bin with her!#@!

Clearly she is unable to follow social norms

[jerryskids 6,974]

Wait, RollingHills is a chick? She seems pretty smart. We don't allow smart chicks here.