More patients packing Emergency Rooms under Obamacare than before.

[Googballz 39]

Huh?

 

We were told Obamacare would reduce the number of people going to the ER for healthcare.

 

 

 

More patients flocking to ERs under Obamacare

 

It wasn't supposed to work this way, but since the Affordable Care Act took effect in January, Norton Hospital has seen its packed emergency room become even more crowded, with about 100 more patients a month.

 

That 12 percent spike in the number of patients — many of whom aren't actually facing true emergencies — is spurring the hospital to convert a waiting room into more exam rooms.

 

"We're seeing patients who probably should be seen at our (immediate-care centers)," said Lewis Perkins, the hospital's vice president of patient care and chief nursing officer. "And we're seeing this across the system."

 

That's just the opposite of what many people expected under Obamacare, particularly because one of the goals of health reform was to reduce pressure on emergency rooms by expanding Medicaid and giving poor people better access to primary care.

 

Instead, many hospitals in Kentucky and across the nation are seeing a surge of those newly insured Medicaid patients walking into emergency rooms.

 

 

 

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2014/06/07/patients-flocking-emergency-rooms-obamacare/10181349/

 

[hoytdwow 202]

Shout out to Othniel Charles Marsh, guy was a focking legend in the paleontology world. Discovered mad species

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

This is what happens when you have patients waiting weeks to be looked at by their doctor and go to the emergency room because they don't want to wait. Shocking.

[Googballz 39]

This is what happens when you have patients waiting weeks to be looked at by their doctor and go to the emergency room because they don't want to wait. Shocking.

We were told Obamacare would improve service. Why are they having to wait weeks to see their doctor? I don't see where they say these are Veterans.

[NewbieJr 541]

Probably injuries suffered while out spending the extra $2500.00.

[Phurfur 70]

This will be fixed once we get to single payer. See VA waiting list

 

VA medical centers nationwide have misrepresented or sidetracked patient scheduling for more than 57,000 former military personnel, according to a preliminary analysis of data released Monday by the Department Veterans Affairs, and about 64,000 were not even on the agency's electronic waiting list for doctor appointments they requested.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/investigations/2014/06/09/va-scandal-audit-veterans-delayed-care/10234881/

[Googballz 39]

These folks jamming up the ER are probably just the millions that lost their coverage due to Obamacare.

[Voltaire 5,491]

People don't care about the extra cost if the services provided are free for them. Hopefully the problems get ironed out as people find primary care physicians. One good way to stimulate better choices is charge them $10 to visit a primary care doctor or $200 to step into ER. You choose. Problem solved.

[jerryskids 7,085]

People don't care about the extra cost if the services provided are free for them. Hopefully the problems get ironed out as people find primary care physicians. One good way to stimulate better choices is charge them $10 to visit a primary care doctor or $200 to step into ER. You choose. Problem solved.

Agreed. I don't know if the plans are set up that way tho.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Kentucky. Who cares? Probably oxy or meth addicts. Let them wait around the ER, better than loitering at the Wall Mart.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

People don't care about the extra cost if the services provided are free for them. Hopefully the problems get ironed out as people find primary care physicians. One good way to stimulate better choices is charge them $10 to visit a primary care doctor or $200 to step into ER. You choose. Problem solved.

[MDC 7,885]

Urgent care facilities help with this too. It's sort of the between stage of a primary care physician and the ER. Get a broken bone, bad cut etc. any injury that could reasonably wait but not until your physician is free, get treatment there. Many of these places are 24/7 too.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

People don't care about the extra cost if the services provided are free for them. Hopefully the problems get ironed out as people find primary care physicians. One good way to stimulate better choices is charge them $10 to visit a primary care doctor or $200 to step into ER. You choose. Problem solved.

Poorer people don't like waiting. They never had to wait weeks to see a doctor before. Hit the ER. You wait a few hours as opposed to week.

[penultimatestraw 473]

This is what happens when you have patients waiting weeks to be looked at by their doctor and go to the emergency room because they don't want to wait. Shocking.

While the ACA may increase the number of insured, it hasn't increased the number of primary care providers. But I doubt the ER visits reflect people fed up with longer waits for their doctors; rather they don't bother looking for one, and go directly to their nearby ER. At the same time, more doctors are turning their backs on the Hippocratic oath and refusing to serve Medicare/Medicaid patients. And ER visits have been increasing for years, even before the ACA. The void will likely be filled with physician extenders such as nurse practitioners and physician assistants.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Poorer people don't like waiting. They never had to wait weeks to see a doctor before. Hit the ER. You wait a few hours as opposed to week.

Nobody likes waiting; this is a symptom of a society that promotes instant gratification. For every VA horror story I can point to countries with longer wait times for non-emergent tests than the US, yet better numbers reflecting the quality of their care.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

Nobody likes waiting; this is a symptom of a society that promotes instant gratification. For every VA horror story I can point to countries with longer wait times for non-emergent tests than the US, yet better numbers reflecting the quality of their care.

Not where I live. Future brother in law is an EMT. He's the first to see a huge difference in all of this. And he says it's not pretty. Had a fifty year old pregnant woman call 911 because her feet were swollen. They answer the call. She told them her PC couldn't see her till Wednesday. She told them she wasn't waiting till then. They get a call of a woman having a stroke and could she wait till they answered that call and came back as the stroke was more pressing than her swollen feet. She said no. The EMT's have to take her first, by law. The stroke victim died waiting for the next available EMT.

 

Get used to these stories. Sugar coat it all you want. It's only going to get worse.

 

And your full of sh!t when it comes to better care. Hospitals are phasing out MRI machines as a way to save costs. They don't need two or three now. They can get by with one by making patients wait longer.

 

Are you ok with illegals draining the hospitals resources in the name of fairness? Shouldn't legal citizens be afforded care before them?

[mobb_deep 920]

Not where I live. Future brother in law is an EMT. He's the first to see a huge difference in all of this. And he says it's not pretty. Had a fifty year old pregnant woman call 911 because her feet were swollen. They answer the call. She told them her PC couldn't see her till Wednesday. She told them she wasn't waiting till then. They get a call of a woman having a stroke and could she wait till they answered that call and came back as the stroke was more pressing than her swollen feet. She said no. The EMT's have to take her first, by law. The stroke victim died waiting for the next available EMT.

 

Get used to these stories. Sugar coat it all you want. It's only going to get worse.

 

And your full of sh!t when it comes to better care. Hospitals are phasing out MRI machines as a way to save costs. They don't need two or three now. They can get by with one by making patients wait longer.

 

Are you ok with illegals draining the hospitals resources in the name of fairness? Shouldn't legal citizens be afforded care before them?

You're all over the place here. Illegal

Aliens don't even qualify for Obamacare. The hospitals (and us tax payers via higher premiums) are still footing the bill.

 

These people are the working poor. The employees of Welfare Queens like WalMart and Mcdonalds. Making huge profits and paying dividends to their buddies, while receiving taxpayer subsidies. The nations largest private sector employer is also the largest consumer of taxpayer supported aid. Figure that paradox out.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Not where I live. Future brother in law is an EMT. He's the first to see a huge difference in all of this. And he says it's not pretty. Had a fifty year old pregnant woman call 911 because her feet were swollen. They answer the call. She told them her PC couldn't see her till Wednesday. She told them she wasn't waiting till then. They get a call of a woman having a stroke and could she wait till they answered that call and came back as the stroke was more pressing than her swollen feet. She said no. The EMT's have to take her first, by law. The stroke victim died waiting for the next available EMT.

 

Get used to these stories. Sugar coat it all you want. It's only going to get worse.

 

And your full of sh!t when it comes to better care. Hospitals are phasing out MRI machines as a way to save costs. They don't need two or three now. They can get by with one by making patients wait longer.

 

Are you ok with illegals draining the hospitals resources in the name of fairness? Shouldn't legal citizens be afforded care before them?

With all due respect, an EMT's perspective is very skewed. We can have this discussion when you are sober.

 

Maybe look up the rate of MRI use in the US in the interim. Hint: we use MRIs far more than other developed countries, and it has nothing to do with the ACA.

[mobb_deep 920]

With all due respect, an EMT's perspective is very skewed. We can have this discussion when you are sober.

 

Maybe look up the rate of MRI use in the US in the interim. Hint: we use MRIs far more than other developed countries, and it has nothing to do with the ACA.

And an MRI costs 3x as much as France, UK, Canada, etc.

[penultimatestraw 473]

And an MRI costs 3x as much as France, UK, Canada, etc.

Yep - that's the free market at work: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/15/why-an-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/

[Googballz 39]

While the ACA may increase the number of insured, it hasn't increased the number of primary care providers.

Many are leaving the profession due to the ACA, so wait times will continue to rise.

[NewbieJr 541]

[IGotWorms 4,063]

We can have this discussion when you are sober.

 

Mrs. Bunny, is that you?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Many are leaving the profession due to the ACA, so wait times will continue to rise.

 

People who believe this are such morons. Yeah doctors invest a sh!t ton of time, sweat and money into getting where they are but I'm sure they're all going to quit their jobs and go into telemarketing instead because Obummercare

[NewbieJr 541]

 

People who believe this are such morons. Yeah doctors invest a sh!t ton of time, sweat and money into getting where they are but I'm sure they're all going to quit their jobs and go into telemarketing instead because Obummercare

Shhhhh, don't upset Google Pilot. He heard someone say that on Fox News once and he takes their word as gospel. Don't burst his bubble.

[phillybear 366]

 

People who believe this are such morons. Yeah doctors invest a sh!t ton of time, sweat and money into getting where they are but I'm sure they're all going to quit their jobs and go into telemarketing instead because Obummercare

 

They are leaving general practice. With spiraling malpractice costs and the idiocy of government involvement in medical insurance, they are looking for something else medical related where they don't have to see patients. I went to a cardiologist once or twice; they make diabetics do it, mandatory. She shut her practice and joined a local university to avoid the cluster fock we have now.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

They are leaving general practice. With spiraling malpractice costs and the idiocy of government involvement in medical insurance, they are looking for something else medical related where they don't have to see patients. I went to a cardiologist once or twice; they make diabetics do it, mandatory. She shut her practice and joined a local university to avoid the cluster fock we have now.

Geez, I wonder if one of the thousands and thousands getting their medical degree every year will step up in their places? I know it's a sucky job. Having to live in huge houses and drive expensive cars, but someone has to do it.

[Googballz 39]

People who believe this are such morons. Yeah doctors invest a sh!t ton of time, sweat and money into getting where they are but I'm sure they're all going to quit their jobs and go into telemarketing instead because Obummercare

 

I can bring several links like this, but this is enough to prove you are clueless.

 

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/7/doctors-feel-ill-winds-blowing-as-they-look-closel/?page=all

[NewbieJr 541]

I can bring several links like this, but this is enough to prove you are clueless.

 

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/7/doctors-feel-ill-winds-blowing-as-they-look-closel/?page=all

Are you claiming we are in the midst of a doctor shortage?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Are you claiming we are in the midst of a doctor shortage?

Not all doctors agree. The American Medical Association endorsed the health care legislation at the time of its passage in 2010, although the group now is pushing for the elimination of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, the cost-control organization at the heart of the president’s plan that became known to critics as the “death panel.”

“Some physicians are all for [Obamacare],” said Dr. Rosenwasser, who had practices in Florida and Indiana and is a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which opposes the program. “They’ve been brought up in the government system. This is what they know.”

Most doctors appear to be waiting to see what happens. “About 90 percent of doctors are completely uninformed about what the government’s doing,” Dr. Armstrong said. “A lot of them are in this free-floating anxiety mode.”

Since you quoted the doofus...I clicked the link he provided.

Seems it is not painting the image he thought...

 

Even physicians with no plans for career change are worried about the profession for reasons related to Obamacare. A sweeping survey of 13,575 doctors released in September by the Physicians Foundation found that 77 percent were pessimistic about the future of medicine.

The main reason: malpractice lawsuits, which the president’s law did little to address. After that, the top factors cited were “Medicare/Medicaid/government regulations,” “reimbursement issues” and “uncertainty/changes of health reform.”

Seems a few anecdotal examples of doctors leaving (the first one before anything actually went into affect because her tinfoil hat was apparently on very tight and she was afraid) is enough for the hacks to make such a claim.

 

[Googballz 39]

Seems it is not painting the image he thought...

 

 

 

 

 

Sure it does. Docs are leaving their practice because of the ACA. I never claimed all of them were leaving. Reading comprehension isn't your thing, is it?

[NewbieJr 541]

Sure it does. Docs are leaving their practice because of the ACA. I never claimed all of them were leaving. Reading comprehension isn't your thing, is it?

And? Is that causing a doctor shortage?

[Sho Nuff 720]

And? Is that causing a doctor shortage?

 

So he went from many doctors are leaving due to ACA...and wait times will rise because of that. To, doctors are leaving their practice.

His example is one doctor claiming she left due to ACA (of course, before it was even implemented).

 

Are there docs that left due to provisions of it affecting their practice? Probably some yes.

Is it going to be significant on its own enough to cause wait times (that have sucked for years) to increase.

Not likely.

[Googballz 39]

So he went from many doctors are leaving due to ACA...and wait times will rise because of that. .

I'm still right there.

 

I have not changed my position.

 

Now click on "View it anyway".

[NewbieJr 541]

 

So he went from many doctors are leaving due to ACA...and wait times will rise because of that. To, doctors are leaving their practice.

His example is one doctor claiming she left due to ACA (of course, before it was even implemented).

 

Are there docs that left due to provisions of it affecting their practice? Probably some yes.

Is it going to be significant on its own enough to cause wait times (that have sucked for years) to increase.

Not likely.

He's just like his pappy phurfur. Runs his mouth but shies away when you back him into a corner.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He's just like his pappy phurfur. Runs his mouth but shies away when you back him into a corner.

Probably still claiming he is right too.

Typical of him over the years.

[Googballz 39]

Viewed it anyway.

[phillybear 366]

Geez, I wonder if one of the thousands and thousands getting their medical degree every year will step up in their places? I know it's a sucky job. Having to live in huge houses and drive expensive cars, but someone has to do it.

 

I'm sure the thousands and thousands of doctors who retire and/or die every year will more than make up for those graduates.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Many are leaving the profession due to the ACA, so wait times will continue to rise.

The primary care shortage predates the ACA, as does disgruntled late career doctors leaving the profession. But their are still plenty of applicants lining up for lucrative subspecialty training.

[Googballz 39]

The primary care shortage predates the ACA, as does disgruntled late career doctors leaving the profession. But their are still plenty of applicants lining up for lucrative subspecialty training.

That does not change the fact many are leaving because of the ACA.