IRS "loses" 2 years of Lois Lerner emails. How convenient.

[Googballz 39]

Damn computer glitches. I wonder if the IRS accepts the "I lost it" excuse when they audit someone.

 

 

 

 

IRS lost Lois Lerner's emails in tea party probe

 

 

 

WASHINGTON - The Internal Revenue Service says it has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency's tea party controversy.

The IRS told congressional investigators Friday it cannot locate many of Lois Lerner's emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed that year. Lerner headed the IRS division that processed applications for tax-exempt status.

The IRS acknowledged last year that agents had improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups.

"The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS's response to congressional inquiries," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the inspector general."

The Ways and Means Committee is one of three congressional committees investigating the IRS over its handling of tea party applications from 2010 to 2012. The Justice Department and the IRS inspector general are also investigating.

House Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., is suggesting the Obama administration is being dishonest by saying these emails are lost.

"Isn't it convenient for the Obama Administration that the IRS now says it has suddenly realized it lost Lois Lerner's emails requested by Congress and promised by Commissioner John Koskinen?" Issa asked in an email statement. "Do they really expect the American people to believe that, after having withheld these emails for a year, they're just now realizing the most critical time period is missing?

"If there wasn't nefarious conduct that went much higher than Lois Lerner in the IRS targeting scandal, why are they playing these games?"

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, which has also been investigating the IRS targeting controversy, said the lost emails revelation "is an outrageous impediment to our investigation."

Congressional investigators have shown that IRS officials in Washington were closely involved in the handling of tea party applications, many of which languished for more than a year without action. But so far, they have not publicly produced evidence that anyone outside the agency directed the targeting or even knew about it.

If anyone outside the agency was involved, investigators were hoping for clues in Lerner's emails.

The IRS was able to generate 24,000 Lerner emails from the 2009 to 2011 because Lerner had copied in other IRS employees. The agency said it pieced together the emails from the computers of 83 other IRS employees.

But an untold number are gone. Camp's office said the missing emails are mainly ones to and from people outside the IRS, "such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices."

The IRS said in a statement that it has gone to great lengths cooperating with congressional investigations, spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents.

Overall, the IRS said it is producing a total of 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, covering the period from 2009 to 2013.

"The IRS is committed to working with Congress," the IRS said in a statement. "The IRS has remained focused on being thorough and responding as quickly as possible to the wide-ranging requests from Congress while taking steps to protect underlying taxpayer information."

Lerner has emerged as a key figure in the tea party probe. In May 2013, she was the first IRS official to publicly acknowledge that agents had improperly scrutinized applications.

About two weeks later, Lerner was subpoenaed to testify at a congressional hearing. But after making a brief statement in which she said she had done nothing wrong, Lerner refused to answer questions, invoking her constitutional right against self-incrimination.

The IRS placed Lerner on administrative leave shortly after the congressional hearing. She retired last fall.

In May, the House voted to hold Lerner in contempt of Congress. Her case has been turned over to the U.S. attorney for the district of Columbia.

 

 

 

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Maybe the NSA can help them out

[jerryskids 7,196]

This is a dangerous game they are playing. One, I find it implausible that the feds, let alone the IRS, don't have backup systems. Two, they should be able to produce subsequent emails where she tells people she needs stuff because her disk crashed. Basically it seems like a lie which can be verified.

[Vikings4ever 570]

Try that excuse next April 15th.

[Googballz 39]

This is a dangerous game they are playing. One, I find it implausible that the feds, let alone the IRS, don't have backup systems. Two, they should be able to produce subsequent emails where she tells people she needs stuff because her disk crashed. Basically it seems like a lie which can be verified.

It is an obvious lie that should be easy to expose. The emails are on a server somewhere.

 

If there is nothing to hide it makes no sense to plead the 5th, and then have this BS come up.

[paulinstl 296]

The IRS said in a statement that it has gone to great lengths cooperating with congressional investigations, spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents.

Overall, the IRS said it is producing a total of 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, covering the period from 2009 to 2013.

 

 

But an untold number are gone.

 

 

Blowin' smoke, but there ain't no fire.

[NewbieJr 541]

[paulinstl 296]

Great stuff here, an article from an un-cited source using quotes only from GOP members with no factual data in it. Geez, I wonder if I should base my opinion on what is in this article or wait until a source proves how many missing emails there are and what was in them.

 

Hmmm...............

[Googballz 39]

Great stuff here, an article from an un-cited source using quotes only from GOP members with no factual data in it. Geez, I wonder if I should base my opinion on what is in this article or wait until a source proves how many missing emails there are and what was in them.

 

Hmmm...............

My source was CBS News. Funny you cry about no link yet didn't provide one in your first post.

[paulinstl 296]

My source was CBS News. Funny you cry about no link yet didn't provide one in your first post.

 

My first post came word-for-word from the article you posted .WOW!

 

[crackattack 520]

Try that excuse next April 15th.

I like this idea.

[MDC 8,108]

This is a dangerous game they are playing. One, I find it implausible that the feds, let alone the IRS, don't have backup systems. Two, they should be able to produce subsequent emails where she tells people she needs stuff because her disk crashed. Basically it seems like a lie which can be verified.

The last admin "lost" millions of emails. Like that scandal I figure this one will amount to nothing.

[NewbieJr 541]

The last admin "lost" millions of emails. Like that scandal I figure this one will amount to nothing.

Funny thing is, Vagina Pilot didn't get outraged about it back then.

[Googballz 39]

The last admin "lost" millions of emails. Like that scandal I figure this one will amount to nothing.

The National Archives mislabeled them, and they have been recovered.

 

HTH

[Googballz 39]

Camp's office said the missing emails are mainly ones to and from people outside the IRS, "such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices."

 

 

How convenient.

[MDC 8,108]

The National Archives mislabeled them, and they have been recovered.

 

HTH

Even the ones that were being sent via a non government domain name run by the RNC?

[Googballz 39]

Even the ones that were being sent via a non government domain name run by the RNC?

I didn't realize the RNC was considered the "administration".

[MDC 8,108]

I didn't realize the RNC was considered the "administration".

Government officials were conducting government business over a server run by the RNC you dummy. They "lost" millions of emails.

 

You can suck Obummer's massive trouser mamba while I laugh at you til 2016.

[Googballz 39]

Government officials were conducting government business over a server run by the RNC you dummy. They "lost" millions of emails.

 

 

The article I found said the millions "lost" were mislabeled by the National Archives and have since been found. So, I guess the answer to your question would be yes. Even the emails from the RNC.

 

Unless you have something that says they are still "lost".

 

But it was a nice BUSH! fest on your part.

[drobeski 3,061]

And the little lemmings arrive to provide cover, haven't read the thread but I'll go out on a limb and guess one of the little lemmings brought up the bush administration?

 

 

How'd i do ?

[MDC 8,108]

The article I found said the millions "lost" were mislabeled by the National Archives and have since been found. So, I guess the answer to your question would be yes. Even the emails from the RNC.

 

Unless you have something that says they are still "lost".

 

But it was a nice BUSH! fest on your part.

The only crying here is you, Sally.

 

Face facts: Obummer is president til 2016, your wife and kids are never coming back, and everybody knows you're the same rube who fell for the olde FBI Surveillance Van gag.

 

I suggest you do your Linda Lovelace impression on the barrel of a shotgun.

[MDC 8,108]

 

Crying? It is a current event, not something from a decade ago, Sport.

Every current event to you is a partisan spectator sport. I have no idea where you stand on any actual issue because you contradict yourself constantly and make John Kerry look like a rock of stability. All I know is that on any issue you will always back the GOP to the hilt and complain about the Democrat, always. Your political views are more predictable than Karl Rove's.

[jerryskids 7,196]

Great stuff here, an article from an un-cited source using quotes only from GOP members with no factual data in it. Geez, I wonder if I should base my opinion on what is in this article or wait until a source proves how many missing emails there are and what was in them.

 

Hmmm...............

How do you prove the number or content of missing emails? They are missing.

[Googballz 39]

How do you prove the number or content of missing emails? They are missing.

If those details can't be spelled out we should just move along.....nothing to see here.

[Googballz 39]

Maybe the NSA can help them out

 

 

Maybe.

 

 

June 13, 2014

Admiral Michael S. Rogers

Director, National Security Agency

Fort Meade, MD 20755

Admiral Rogers:

First, thank you for your 33 years of, and continued service to, our country.

Second, as you probably read, the Internal Revenue Service informed the House Ways and Means Committee today they claim to “lost” all emails from former Exempt Organizations division director Lois Lerner for the period between January 2009 and April 2011.

According to chairman Camp, “The IRS claims it cannot produce emails written only to or from Lerner and outside agencies or groups, such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices” due to a “computer glitch.”

I am writing to request the Agency produce all metadata it has collected on all of Ms. Lerner’s email accounts for the period between January 2009 and April 2011.

The data may be transmitted to our Communications Director at Donny@mail.house.gov.

Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment.

Warmest wishes,

STEVE STOCKMAN

Member of Congress

 

 

[rholio 340]

Sounds like typical politics from both sides of the aisle.

 

spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents.

Overall, the IRS said it is producing a total of 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, covering the period from 2009 to 2013.

 

 

So, 750,000 documents and 67,000 emails are still inconclusive? It's politicians playing games, with the IRS stuck in the middle thanks to someone there also playing politics.

 

Ask for documents, more documents, emails, more emails, repeat and repeat until someone says 'No.", or more likely can't produce what is being asked for... Aha! They're hiding something! That's the problem with electing lawyers, they think like lawyers.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,709]

Put her in jail.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Or a #

I bet Obama heard about this on the news.

Wait...what other line will one of the 2 stooges pull out today?

does this mean Obama and his "heard it on the news" hasn't happened multiple times .

[NewbieJr 541]

Wait. Is this the week's official outrageous scandal/Obama sucks story? Or just one of the mini-scandals?

[Googballz 39]

Sounds like typical politics from both sides of the aisle.

 

 

So, 750,000 documents and 67,000 emails are still inconclusive? It's politicians playing games, with the IRS stuck in the middle thanks to someone there also playing politics.

 

Ask for documents, more documents, emails, more emails, repeat and repeat until someone says 'No.", or more likely can't produce what is being asked for... Aha! They're hiding something! That's the problem with electing lawyers, they think like lawyers.

I guess it depends on what emails were provided, and what emails mysteriously vanished. Seems the ones that vanished are the ones she sent to the White House, Justice Dept, FEC, Treasury, and Democrats. If there was any coordination involved in targeting conservative groups it would be between the IRS and those groups, so not having the emails between them kind of throws up a red flag to anyone with an open mind.

 

If they did nothing wrong there is no need to come up with the total BS story, and no reason to take the 5th. Just provide all docs and move on.

[paulinstl 296]

The article posted claims the emails were lost from a computer crash in 2011. I thought the IRS abuse accusations were about alleged investigations in 2012?

[Googballz 39]

The article posted claims the emails were lost from a computer crash in 2011. I thought the IRS abuse accusations were about alleged investigations in 2012?

 

The Ways and Means Committee is one of three congressional committees investigating the IRS over its handling of tea party applications from 2010 to 2012

 

 

 

 

Can't wait for your next spin attempt.

[paulinstl 296]

How do you prove the number or content of missing emails? They are missing.

 

On the flip side how does anyone know who the missing emails were sent to?

[paulinstl 296]

 

 

Can't wait for your next spin attempt.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[rholio 340]

I guess it depends on what emails were provided, and what emails mysteriously vanished. Seems the ones that vanished are the ones she sent to the White House, Justice Dept, FEC, Treasury, and Democrats. If there was any coordination involved in targeting conservative groups it would be between the IRS and those groups, so not having the emails between them kind of throws up a red flag to anyone with an open mind.

 

If they did nothing wrong there is no need to come up with the total BS story, and no reason to take the 5th. Just provide all docs and move on.

 

Agreed, that's why I said both sides. Lawyers / politicians on one side against lawyers / politicians on the other side, with the actual truth likely of little concern to both. Someone in the IRS decided to play politics, whether with the Administration's involvement or not. Now, they are going to be raked over the coals regardless of who did what, when.

 

It looks like Lerner is taking the fall, which usually in politics means someone above her is actually to blame. That could easily be someone in the administration, someone connected to the Democratic party if she's a member, or someone that simply hates the Tea Party. Hopefully, the NSA can and actually does come up with the info to nail the right person(s) for this.

[NewbieJr 541]

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[Googballz 39]

This week's GOP Outrage of the Week is brought to you by the 2014 Jaugar XJR.

There is no need for you to continue to post in this thread. You offer nothing of substance, and only further confirm you are a no-nothing hack who swings from Obama's nutbag 24/7. The board does not need further confirmation of this.......you have etched your reputation in stone.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

There is no need for you to continue to post in this thread. You offer nothing of substance, and only further confirm you are a no-nothing hack who swings from Obama's nutbag 24/7. The board does not need further confirmation of this.......you have etched your reputation in stone.

 

lololololol

[NewbieJr 541]

OOTW

[Voltaire 5,530]

Every current event to you is a partisan spectator sport. I have no idea where you stand on any actual issue because you contradict yourself constantly and make John Kerry look like a rock of stability. All I know is that on any issue you will always back the GOP to the hilt and complain about the Democrat, always. Your political views are more predictable than Karl Rove's.

Well this is odd.

 

I disagree with the second sentence but it's unnecessary to tell you why because you already took my talking points in the third/fourth sentences. A paragraph, divided against itself, cannot stand.