++ UPDATE No.2: Adrian Peterson Out Indefinitely ++

[murf74 461]

 

 

Do disagree with this.

 

He did NOT beat my kid. And, sometimes unfortunately, it is ok if it's someone else's kid. This is not society's kid. Society doesn't get to decide. It is the kid of a parent who has the right to raise them as they want, within reason. That reason will be decided, or re-decided, at some point. if we want society to make all decisions, ok then. Let's do it! I'm sure that will work out great. Until then, we still do have some personal liberty.

 

I think that's what they used to say about your women or slaves.....

 

BTW it was already decided that ADP broke the law...HTH

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

 

Do disagree with this.

 

He did NOT beat my kid. And, sometimes unfortunately, it is ok if it's someone else's kid. This is not society's kid. Society doesn't get to decide. It is the kid of a parent who has the right to raise them as they want, within reason. That reason will be decided, or re-decided, at some point. if we want society to make all decisions, ok then. Let's do it! I'm sure that will work out great. Until then, we still do have some personal liberty.

 

I disagree with this.

 

It may not be society's child (let's use the word child to put this in perspective since he was four years old) but society is the one who has to deal with the aftermath of what damage this abuse causes. Damaging children psychologically is like flicking a cigarette butt out of your car window into the woods. It may go out or it may burn thousands of acres down. It's dangerous and potentially affects everyone.

[Serpent 51]

There are so many less posts in this thread after I put all the really stupid people on ignore. I bet they're making the same stupid posts as usual.

[TD Ryan2 316]

what a shame... AP gets to play after abusing a kid.

 

Hey NFL - you wanna stop domestic violence? Eradicate it at is source - stop letting kids get beat up and they won't grow up to hit their own kids and wives. This really isn't a difficult equation to understand.

 

2 drunk, dysfunctional asswholes get violent with eachother in a public elevator and the NFL goes into Defcon 5.

A 4 year old gets brutally abused... and nobody cares. Awful.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

1. What if he beat your kid like that?

 

2. Is it okay that it wasn't your child or it was some little black kid?

 

3. Why is this okay? Is it just because ADP is talented?

1. Silly and not fair. Parents go postal if a stranger even breathes next to their kid, so if its MY kid of course it would be wrong. I wouldnt ever lay a hand on a child.

 

2. Eh, its not ok, but its still common enough to make it accepted by the black community so ill respect that.

 

3. Essentially yes, im not the moral police and I have my own problems. gonna crack down on every parent that whips their kid? there would be no nfl if that were the case.

 

 

Do I need to make a list of all the illegal activities that are commonplace in each racial community? Doesn't make it right!

True and tragic.

[BufordT 434]

If every NFL player was investigated and exposed as to who they really are.... you'd wind up with a bunch of whitey's and uncle tom's left in the league. IOW...you'd have a slightly worse version of the CFL.

 

The NFL is made up of a bunch of people I wouldn't let my kids near and I sure as heck wouldn't let my kids play with their kids. No chance.

 

If some of you posters around here are really that offended, then you need to boycott the NFL. Half the league is made up of players with questionable integrity.

 

We root for punks every Sunday.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

This bored is made up of a bunch of people I wouldn't let my kids near and I sure as heck wouldn't let my kids play with their kids. No chance.

 

Half the bored is made up of posters with questionable integrity.

 

 

 

Fixed

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,363]

Finally some sense from the league. Barkley said it, EVERY black parent whips their kids, it's just how they are. Adrian has every player in the league on his side on this, they can't wait for him to come back.

 

Yes it was excessive and cruel and degenerate and inhumane. Now get back on the field, we have some games to win!

 

My great great grandpa says that every white person should have slaves, its just how it is, so we should always have slaves

 

My great grandpa says there is no way in hell that his wife should be able to make any decisions, and god forbid they vote.

 

My grandpa says segregation is great, they should all goto their own schools, and restaurants, we dont want them in our schools corrupting the white kids

 

My dad says, those gays should just keep to themselves, they dont need health care, they shouldnt have any rights that straight people have

 

if we continue to live by the mistakes of our ancestors, society as a whole will never move forward. We claim to fight terrorism in the middle east, but let child and domestic abuse continue here cause its no biggie and someone prays to the Christian God. Cause my parents did it is not an excuse, but thats the only one the black community has to fall back on. What if we fell back on how our parents and grand parents believed and did?

[jerryskids 6,844]

 

Do I need to make a list of all the illegal activities that are commonplace in each racial community? Doesn't make it right!

Good point. We don't let Muslims practice sharia law for instance. Just because a culture has a preferred way of doing things doesn't make it acceptable to the society at large.

[BufordT 434]

Fixed

Fair enough

[Law 241]

I am out on this social (non-fantasy football) topic. It, like politics and religion, can lead to no good. There is rarely a right and wrong, though most will argue to their death with anyone who disagrees.

Life is rarely black or white. it usually gray.

 

Peace.

[RabidSeaCows 99]

Since I was called out on this "ALLEGED" term on a different post I think some clarity is required.

 

If the person who ALLEGEDLY committed a crime admits it for whatever reason, but doesn't sign a CONFESSION they are not guilty in the law's eyes.

 

If the law came back to AP and said, "Hey, we're going to prosecute you to the fullest extent, would you sign this CONFESSION and he did it would no longer be ALLEGED. He still has the option to plea NOT GUILTY.

 

Therefor, this is all ALLEGED.... Right?

 

This is just my high school understanding of my rights. I may be misremembering them though. Its been 30 years.

[TD Ryan2 316]

There is rarely a right and wrong,

 

no offense Law.

 

There is CLEARLY a right and wrong on this one.

Beating your kids like that is WRONG. /story

 

this issues is NOTHING like politics.

it's on par with hating jews, owning slaves, and killing dogs... doesn't matter that a lot of people grew up with it, were taught it, or were on board with it, it is WRONG.

[tanatastic 2,062]

no offense Law.

 

There is CLEARLY a right and wrong on this one.

Beating your kids like that is WRONG. /story

 

this issues is NOTHING like politics.

it's on par with hating jews, owning slaves, and killing dogs... doesn't matter that a lot of people grew up with it, were taught it, or were on board with it, it is WRONG.

when enough people dont think its wrong, is it still wrong? Through civilized peoples eyes, beating kids is clearly wrong yes. But 99% of african americans think its not wrong...so wheres the line drawn? Are all of them wrong and all of us right? Christians have been murdering and torturing people for centuries in the name of a fake fairy tale named jesus. They say its right and there are millions of christians. Muslims think its right to blow stuff up and terrorize. Vegetarians say its wrong to eat meat but clearly eating meat to me is right.

 

I think what AP did is wrong, especially to a kid that young who cant be held accountable like that, it teaches him nothing at that age. But im just demonstrating that altho extreme, there are cases where clear wrong is right in many eyes.

[p00h 85]

 

The NFL is a business and more visible than most companies. If an employee readily admits to a felonious act that is this publicized, most likely they WILL lose their job.

 

Same with Ray Rice. If the Vice President of Nestle Corp. is on tape punching out his wife or readily admits to beating a child like this that V.P. would be fired immediately. PERIOD.

 

So what's the issue?

 

These two guys (Ray Rice and AP) are horrible focking examples of men and deserve to be punished. That it's taking public outcry to make the NFL/Teams to do right tells you just how far off our moral compass is with these athletes.

A lot of dudes here don't understand how a free society works. They're baffled by the fact that these corporations are beholden to the public. That the actions of individuals within these corps can cause public reaction, and that reaction can force the hand of said corps. They think the nfl exists in a vacuum, and you and I have no right to expect a certain standard from them. They further believe only another corporation has the ability to force said organization to change, as if these corps mint their own money. Simple ass folks, not worth arguing. In their world as long as games are played on Sundays and their favorite FF stud suits up, all is well in the world...sad state this world we live in is...

[Gandalfthecat 8]

Right?

Wrong?

Who cares! This is about fantasy football.

 

Ok fine. Let's get into issues! I'm Canadian and I've always wondered WHY DO AMERICANS LOVE THEIR GUNS?

Guns are WRONG WRONG WRONG. NO MORE GUNS. You kill Children with them.

[jerryskids 6,844]

Right?

 

Wrong?

 

Who cares! This is about fantasy football.

 

Ok fine. Let's get into issues! I'm Canadian and I've always wondered WHY DO AMERICANS LOVE THEIR GUNS?

Guns are WRONG WRONG WRONG. NO MORE GUNS. You kill Children with them.

When China invades Vancouver, you'll be happy we have guns.

 

Enough with the red herring.

[RabidSeaCows 99]

Ok fine. Let's get into issues! I'm Canadian and I've always wondered WHY DO AMERICANS LOVE THEIR GUNS?

Guns are WRONG WRONG WRONG. NO MORE GUNS. You kill Children with them.

 

Or maybe Children who aren't disciplined grow up to kill other people with guns...Hmmmm , now look at the can of worms I just opened up

 

I'm J/K, you know that? ....Right?

[Gandalfthecat 8]

When China invades Vancouver, you'll be happy we have guns.

 

Enough with the red herring.

I thought they already invaded Vancouver?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Since I was called out on this "ALLEGED" term on a different post I think some clarity is required.

 

If the person who ALLEGEDLY committed a crime admits it for whatever reason, but doesn't sign a CONFESSION they are not guilty in the law's eyes.

 

If the law came back to AP and said, "Hey, we're going to prosecute you to the fullest extent, would you sign this CONFESSION and he did it would no longer be ALLEGED. He still has the option to plea NOT GUILTY.

 

Therefor, this is all ALLEGED.... Right?

 

This is just my high school understanding of my rights. I may be misremembering them though. Its been 30 years.

 

Whose to say he didn't sign a written confession. They certainly have ADP on tape (which is admissible in court) stating he did indeed cut a branch, shove leaves in the child's mouth and then hit him approx. 10-15 times causing the wounds depicted in the photos taken a week later. That is as good as it gets for a prosecutor's case. He admitted it. The word alleged is often tossed around by news organizations to avoid being sued for slander (spoken accusations).

 

Your rights are only as good as the money you have to purchase a defense. I'm sure ADP's lawyer is LIVID for him having admitted to all those accusations and will do his best to get them tossed out of court.

 

Bottom line is ADP admitted he beat that child to where a week later he still had open wounds all over his body.

 

If that doesn't make your stomach turn, you don't have a soul.

[Cuse9 129]

This from AP:

 

 

 

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

 

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

 

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

 

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

 

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

 

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

 

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

 

[Philo312 41]

Finally some sense from the league. Barkley said it, EVERY black parent whips their kids, it's just how they are. Adrian has every player in the league on his side on this, they can't wait for him to come back.

 

Yes it was excessive and cruel and degenerate and inhumane. Now get back on the field, we have some games to win!

 

Yeah tanatastic, ..you a brotha aint ya? Thanks for bringing to light that "EVERY" one of us "black folk" sadistically whup and beat oura 4 yrold kids wit a tree branch.

tanatastic, you light or dark colored, my brotha?

[loki993 0]

That's all fine and good and maybe before the Rice thing that could have flied. Fact is though if they dropped the hammer on Rice for knocking his wife out and they don't do anything to Peterson for what he did the NFLs already shaky image will look even more horrible and even more people will be calling for Goodells job with good reason. They almost have to do something, Im almost surprised it hasn't happened yet even.

[tigeru 65]

Viqueens don't believe it was child abuse. NFL should be suspending him before the week ends as Viqueens didn't want to look bad.

[Philo312 41]

Ziggy Wolf is a coward. For him to have Spielman address this is focking wrong and that press conference was a joke. So, the Vikes based their decision to reactivate him ONLY after speaking w/ AP's attorney and AP himself?? Of course they'll "conclude" that it was discipline rather than abuse. (btw: it's not discipline according to the law)

AP said he never "intended" to hurt his kid? That's exactly what he intended to do!

[tigeru 65]

Bernsteins more angry than the penn state days

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

Yeah tanatastic, ..you a brotha aint ya? Thanks for bringing to light that "EVERY" one of us "black folk" sadistically whup and beat oura 4 yrold kids wit a tree branch.

tanatastic, you light or dark colored, my brotha?

No, im not black. Black people dont sign up for message boards on the internet. Im just a realist and I follow trends on twitter. 100% of them say its no big deal and "they momma did the same thing."

[p00h 85]

The league is paralyzed. So many mishandling of different issues, and millions of eyes on their next move. Throw in the fact that it's a top 5 star on the league, not just any old RB or LB, and they are shaking in their boots. Basically, regardless of what they do, someone is going to scream bloody murder. However, it is shifting some of the focus off the Rice saga, which can't hurt them. Regardless, they are stuck in the middle with Madsen running around like a lunatic cutting their ear off. Will be interesting drama either way. IF they're smart, they suspend him before the day ends, but they wont. They just can't seem to get anything right, regardless of the pressure...

[p00h 85]

No, im not black. Black people dont sign up for message boards on the internet. Im just a realist and I follow trends on twitter. 100% of them say its no big deal and "they momma did the same thing."

 

take the eal out of realist and throw in ac and that's you in a nutshell. Nothing like the internet to bring the true colors of people out. Good for you, wear it proudly. Gramps would be really proud...

[Philo312 41]

No, im not black. Black people dont sign up for message boards on the internet. Im just a realist cracker moron

agreed.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

take the eal out of realist and throw in ac and that's you in a nutshell. Nothing like the internet to bring the true colors of people out. Good for you, wear it proudly. Gramps would be really proud...

Nah I love all minorities and hold no ill will towards any of them, even dune racoons. Doesnt mean I dont recognize the truth in stereotypes. The internet is just a breeding ground for overt racism and descrimination of all kinds.

 

agreed.

Fair enough.

 

AP was and still is my fav RB in the league. The fact that he disciplines one of his many illigitimate children in the manner that is consistent with himself and his family is neither here nor there. If it helps me land him in a trade, all the better.

[murf74 461]

Didn't some CEO resign for kicking a dog? Should have kicked his kid I guess

[tanatastic 2,062]

Didn't some CEO resign for kicking a dog? Should have kicked his kid I guess

Its pretty much the case that the general public detests crimes against animals more than crimes against people.

 

TV commercial about sick poor kids in thrid world countries? "Oh brother, enough already!, Gross." *Click*

 

TV commercial about sick homeless puppies and kitties? "OMG poor things, can I adopt one? where do I send the money?"

[GS3K 12]

Well he figures if it worked for him then it will work for his kids. That's a fine point of view to have up until the point that it endangers the mental and physical welfare of a four year old child who probably couldn't tell you why what he did was wrong (I saw the ball and wanted it so I took it). The worst part to me is that instead of taking it as an opportunity to learn about sharing and dissuading his kids from materialism he instead opted to teach one child that it's okay to horde an object and his other that one of his children has a higher priority than him and causing resentment towards both the parent and sibling. Maybe he just actually favors one child over the other subconsciously.

 

Honestly and I hate to put this out there, but I am surprised that there's such a fervent support for "whipping" black people by black people considering the connotations.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,363]

Well he figures if it worked for him then it will work for his kids. That's a fine point of view to have up until the point that it endangers the mental and physical welfare of a four year old child who probably couldn't tell you why what he did was wrong (I saw the ball and wanted it so I took it). The worst part to me is that instead of taking it as an opportunity to learn about sharing and dissuading his kids from materialism he instead opted to teach one child that it's okay to horde an object and his other that one of his children has a higher priority than him and causing resentment towards both the parent and sibling. Maybe he just actually favors one child over the other subconsciously.

 

Honestly and I hate to put this out there, but I am surprised that there's such a fervent support for "whipping" black people by black people considering the connotations.

 

we already know he favors AP jr from last years quote...It wasnt AP jr...phew

[JTB 52]

It is ironic that if this is done to a child it's "teaching them a lesson" and some people can accept it.

 

Yet....

 

If we read a story about a grown man having his pants pulled down, leaves shoved in his mouth and beat with a stick repeatedly leaving cuts, bruises and welts on his ankles, legs, back, butt, nuts, hands....it would be considered torture?! Strange?

Or masochism.

[RabidSeaCows 99]

Well he figures if it worked for him then it will work for his kids.

 

Honestly and I hate to put this out there, but I am surprised that there's such a fervent support for "whipping" black people by black people considering the connotations.

Well, you are correct. He is a Millionaire who's dad taught him the facts of life - and it worked, in his opinion. He looks in the mirror and can support his kids better than I can monetarily support mine, thats for sure.

 

But that doesn't make him a better Father than me, just a great financial supporter.

 

As for everyone else contributing to this discussion:

 

We as humans (no race bias on this topic) have been "whipping" our children for 100's of thousands of years. We just considered stopping that practice about 20 years ago. Somehow the human race has not gone extinct.

 

I really don't think this is any of my business. Even recent study's by the Pew research center show there isn't a best way to raise children. Be a childs "friend" instead of its Father and it grows up screwed up in other ways.

 

If his children grow up hating him as I grew up hating my Father for whipping me, I don't see how that's any of my business. Is it really yours? It's between him his children and Child services.

 

....As if I have to say it,.... JMHO

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,363]

its our job as a society to protect those who cannot protect themselves, children, women, animals, 3rd world countries

[tanatastic 2,062]

Oh man, the boos AP is gonna hear when they go on the road. Im not sure he is ready for just whats to come from the drunken fans of rival teams. Gonna be a treat to watch it unfold.

[murf74 461]

its our job as a society to protect those who cannot protect themselves, children, women, animals, 3rd world countries

 

Those defending ADP, they can't possibly know really what a 4 year old is, how little and innocent they are. There are so many welts on that kid it really makes me ill that such a huge man thought he should just wale on him like that with a stick. And this is a week later and it's still scabbed up.