White House's Purpose in Avoiding "Islamic Terrorism" Label

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I must have missed that post. Can you direct me to it please?

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[DankNuggs 305]

I think that is absolutely incorrect on both fronts.

 

People like RP frequently imply that all Muslims are terrorists, or at the very least that all Muslims sympathize with terrorists or somehow have to answer for what the radical extremists do.

 

On the second point, I believe the White House's strategy is to maximize cooperation with moderate Muslim nations and that the best way to do that is not use language that makes it seem like we are at war with Islam generally? How is that so hard to undrstand? It's as simple as things get in international diplomacy

Well, Obama himself stated he sympathizes to an extent for the legitimate historical grievances of colonialism in the middle east (i.e. USA & Britain)

 

Obama has been unable to get any coalition on anything ever.. The countries that help are doing so to avenge atrocities perpetrated on them... Thats it, there is no one else. And i/m not sure how you can say with a straight face that anyone thinks this has anything to do with the muslim religion...

[jerryskids 6,925]

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I answered it a page or two ago.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Its a strawman, no one is implying 1.5 billion muslims are terrorists. Its disconcerting how the resistance is only tied to their own tragedies (Jordan, etc.)

 

What the president is doing with these comments is trying to create distance from having to deal with the situation...

 

Creating distance from having to deal with it?

BS...just pure BS.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think that is absolutely incorrect on both fronts.

 

People like RP frequently imply that all Muslims are terrorists, or at the very least that all Muslims sympathize with terrorists or somehow have to answer for what the radical extremists do.

 

On the second point, I believe the White House's strategy is to maximize cooperation with moderate Muslim nations and that the best way to do that is not use language that makes it seem like we are at war with Islam generally? How is that so hard to undrstand? It's as simple as things get in international diplomacy

 

Because of the party the administration belongs to.

 

HTH

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I answered it a page or two ago.

I wanted RP's answer. Are you RP? God I hope not, for your sake

 

And your answer was basically that Obummer's strategy is working since ISIS has alienated many Muslim countries. I hardly doubt RP can agree with you on that

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I've answered this before. The question is how much pressure you want to put on the Muslim community to whack ISIS. These days ISIS is doing a good job on their own by burning other Muslims tho.

RP - is this your answer? That calling ISIS Muslim/Islamic terrorists is actually unnecessary after all?

[HenryHill9323 65]

I wanted RP's answer. Are you RP? God I hope not, for your sake

 

And your answer was basically that Obummer's strategy is working since ISIS has alienated many Muslim countries. I hardly doubt RP can agree with you on that

 

So, Obama's strategy is to let ISIS run rampant beheading and burning folks to death until they make their way around the globe and pixx off every country out there?

 

That seems like an interesting way to go about destroying ISIS.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

So, Obama's strategy is to let ISIS run rampant beheading and burning folks to death until they make their way around the globe and pixx off every country out there?

 

That seems like an interesting way to go about destroying ISIS.

Still no answer to the question

 

Let me bump it again to help you out, Sport

[IGotWorms 4,060]

So you can't point to a single tangible benefit to calling it "Islamic terrorism" or "Muslim terrorism" or whatever term it is that you're constantly butthurt over Obummer not using?

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[NewbieJr 541]

This is getting uncomfortable. Poor RP has once again backed himself into a corner that he can't get out of. Prepare for him to say Worms is melting down. Or on full tilt.

And/or to claim he was fishing all along and you jumped into his net. LOL It just never gets old.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Poor RP has once again backed himself into a corner that he can't get out of.

How is watching Worms jump up and down stomping his feet and begging me to answer a question me backing myself in a corner?

[HenryHill9323 65]

If Obama doesn't want to paint a religion with a wide brush, why did he bring up Christianity and the crusades?

 

Hmmmmm..........

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[NewbieJr 541]

[IGotWorms 4,060]

That was probably unnecessary, I agree.

 

Now would you like to actually answer my question?

Bump

[HenryHill9323 65]

How is watching Worms jump up and down stomping his feet and begging me to answer a question me backing myself in a corner?

bump.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Krauthammer nails it.............again!

 

 

 

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It was the president himself who called the three-day summit. It sounds like a community organizer talking about outreach to aggrieved communities. If you listen to the president today and his emphasis on Islamic grievances on reaching out, on making the Muslims feel comfortable and not excluded, you would think that we are responding to the execution and the beheading of 21 Muslims on behalf of 21 extreme Christians somewhere in the world. It is so divorced from reality, as if the problem is the lack of understanding of Muslim grievances, particularly in the Middle East.

We talk about root causes as if that's going to make any difference whatsoever. There are rich people in ISIS, there are poor; there are educated, there are uneducated. The idea that somehow if you can eradicate poverty which in and of itself is an absurdity as if it's going to make any difference is sort of a fantasy. And it's a way to avoid the issue, as is the president's language. He said I don't want to legitimize these people by using the word Islamist. It's as if you refused to call Nazis Nazis because they were not authentic socialists and they had a perverted idea of nationalism. I mean, you simply have to say, of course they are a branch of Islam, a very important one. They are all over the world, and unless you address the Islamic roots of it, you will get absolutely nowhere in trying to stop the recruiting and to stop their advances.

 

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/18/krauthammer_obamas_extremism_speech_sounded_like_a_community_organizer_talking_about_outreach_to_aggrieved_communities.html

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I will take this as a concession. In other words, RP concedes that calling these acts "Islamic terrorism" or similar nomenclature will serve no useful purpose and may in fact have a detrimental effect on our ability to combat ISIS and similar groups, yet he wants Obummer to call it that anyway so he can get a big old chub over sticking it to the billion and a half "mooslims" on the planet.

 

Noted.

[HenryHill9323 65]

I will take this as a concession. In other words, RP concedes that calling these acts "Islamic terrorism" or similar nomenclature will serve no useful purpose and may in fact have a detrimental effect on our ability to combat ISIS and similar groups, yet he wants Obummer to call it that anyway so he can get a big old chub over sticking it to the billion and a half "mooslims" on the planet.

 

Noted.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

More stupid Lefty Logic:

 

We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but

we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.

[MDC 7,590]

There are about 7 Billion Christians around the world

Only off by about 5 billion, fockchop.

[NewbieJr 541]

More stupid rightie logic

 

We should judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but

We should never judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics

 

 

Geez, this is easy

[rholio 339]

More stupid Lefty Logic:

 

We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but

we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.

 

When you talk about the left or the right, logic usually goes out the window.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Only off by about 5 billion, fockchop.

Quote manips are always funny. And by funny I mean pathetic.

[RLLD 4,275]

More stupid rightie logic

 

We should judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but

We should never judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics

 

 

Geez, this is easy

 

Are we still judging all cops by the actions of a few?

[MDC 7,590]

Quote manips are always funny. And by funny I mean pathetic.

Looks like Rusty Pilot peenied his post like he peenied the FBI surveillance van thread.

[Bert 1,128]

How is calling ISIS "muslim/islamic terrorists" calling all muslims terrorists?

 

Would it be okay to call ISIS religious terrorists?

 

Calling David Koresh a christian terrorist isn't calling all christians terrorists.

[HenryHill9323 65]

How is calling ISIS "muslim/islamic terrorists" calling all muslims terrorists?

 

Would it be okay to call ISIS religious terrorists?

 

Calling David Koresh a christian terrorist isn't calling all christians terrorists.

Because it is the religion of peace, and Obama told them not to call it islamic.

 

HTH

[HenryHill9323 65]

Looks like Rusty Pilot peenied his post like he peenied the FBI surveillance van thread.

Uh, nope. Still there.

[RLLD 4,275]

Old, but good...

 

[MDC 7,590]

Uh, nope. Still there.

You changed it from 7 to 2 billion.

 

It's okay stupid, nobody expected you to know the ballpark population of the focking planet you live on.

[HenryHill9323 65]

You changed it from 7 to 2 billion.

 

 

Wrong again.

 

You should choose your quote manips more wisely.

[MDC 7,590]

Wrong again.

 

You should choose your quote manips more wisely.

Nice one Rusty Peenie.

 

Poker night at Jose's tonight?

[Baker Boy 1,704]

More stupid rightie logicWe should judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, butWe should never judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunaticsGeez, this is easy

They are called Muslim Extremist not Muslims but all gun owners are put under the exact same label.

[NewbieJr 541]

They are called Muslim Extremist not Muslims but all gun owners are put under the exact same label.

The opposite logic works too, Pappy

[IGotWorms 4,060]

How is calling ISIS "muslim/islamic terrorists" calling all muslims terrorists?

Would it be okay to call ISIS religious terrorists?

Calling David Koresh a christian terrorist isn't calling all christians terrorists.

That'd be a great analogy if our goal had been to secure Texas' assistance against the Branch Davidians

[HenryHill9323 65]

More stupid rightie logic

 

We should judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but

We should never judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics

 

 

Geez, this is easy

Get back to me when gun owners dance in the streets celebrating some nutjob who shoots someone with a gun.

 

More dumbass analogy fails from Selfiejr.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I heard most Nazis were great people. If wasn't for FDR's vendetta against a few of them, it probably would have worked out alright.

[NewbieJr 541]

Get back to me when gun owners dance in the streets celebrating some nutjob who shoots someone with a gun.

 

More dumbass analogy fails from Selfiejr.

Link to all of the world's Muslims dancing? More retard logic by RP.

[Sho Nuff 720]

They are called Muslim Extremist not Muslims but all gun owners are put under the exact same label.

 

No...they aren't actually put under the same label.

You like making things up don't you?