GREG HARDY SUSPENDED 10 GAMES

[NewbieJr 541]

Well sure, and Newbie in all seriousness, if you ask me if I, KSB, think Greg Hardy tossed his GF around, I'd say "Yes,probably". And obviously in a he said / she said thing like this I can understand a single Judge believing one story over another.

 

But for me its not even about that. We have a criminal justice system that is the best we got, and its pretty dag on good. Sure there are OJ's out there but for the overwhelming most part it gets it right and it weeds things out. There are steps and protocols and I believe in innocent until proven guilty. Sometimes thats hard to do, but it works.

 

I simply think The NFL and Roger go above and beyond and its a mighty fine tightrope to walk. If they would've came out and gave him the normal 6 games that would've at least made some sense. But going above and beyond, when the case was outright dropped is just lunacy to me. Its way to arbritary for a person in such a high profile and powerful position. Sorry.

Well that's a cynical way of looking at it. The way I look at it is, a judge heard all of the evidence. And found him guilty. Just because the victim was either paid off or threatened not to testify in the retrial, doesn't change that fact.

 

There's a theme here on this board. I hate thugs, ass holes, and scofflaws. Bonds, Woods, Hardy, etc. You seem to like defending them. Goodell seems to be a lot more like me than he is like you. Thank God

[Sho Nuff 720]

We know there was a settlement - that's it. You don't know why there was a settlement nor the details - as much as you may want to believe you do.

 

Bingo - nail, head, hit..... As I pointed out earlier - if Greg Hardy beat the hell out of me or you there would be all kinds of physical evidence piled up to prove the case. With a tiny thing like her - the physical evidence would be ten times more. So w/out that you're left with the testimony of the accuser. The same crack ho junkie who admitted to being high and drunk at the time of incident.

 

Why else would there be a settlement?

Do innocent men often settle to keep an appeal from court?

Sorry...if you all (well, more KSB) the whole, why didn't she go on GMA or write a book...obviously she was just a lying crack . Then I will play the...innocent guys don't settle to keep an appeal from happening.

 

There was physical evidence that she was hit. There were pictures.

But keep up the blame the victim...

[cbfalcon 827]

Just playing in to the stereotypical Cowboy fan not from Texas. Im always intrigued how they got there.

 

I've never been to New Jersey. So you lose.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Why else would there be a settlement? Do innocent men often settle to keep an appeal from court?

Again, we don't' know - neither do you. It's called speculation, and that's all you have. I already pointed out that maybe he settled to avoid gun charges or drug charges. Maybe he settled to avoid a costly trial - who knows.

 

There was physical evidence that she was hit. There were pictures. But keep up the blame the victim...

There was so much damaging evidence, so much violence proven in the pics that the DA decided not to pursue Hardy on his own? What a horrible, horrible failure then on the DA to executed the job of the office. With such damaging, non deniable picture proof of an attack he chose to let a violent offender walk. Wow.

[Sho Nuff 720]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000487506/article/league-statement-on-greg-hardys-suspension

n a letter from Commissioner Roger Goodell, Hardy was informed that an extensive two-month NFL investigation following the dismissal of his case in North Carolina state court determined that there was sufficient credible evidence that Hardy engaged in conduct that violated NFL policies in multiple respects and with aggravating circumstances.

The investigation was led by Lisa Friel and T&M Protection Resources. Prior to joining the NFL staff two weeks ago, Friel was vice president of the sexual misconduct consulting and investigations division of T&M. During a 28-year career as a Manhattan prosecutor, Friel was head of the sex crimes prosecution unit in the New York County district attorney's office for more than a decade. Friel is now NFL senior vice president and special counsel for investigations.

The NFL's investigation involved numerous interviews with witnesses and experts, a review of hundreds of pages of court records, documents and exhibits, photographs, police reports, medical records, and reports and opinions of medical experts retained by Hardy's attorneys and by the NFL office.

 

 

Big investigation...not just Goodell acting out on his own like some seem to think he does. Even had representation from Hardy and the NFLPA involved.

 

And the big one that probably added a couple games...

 

 

The NFL's investigation also concluded that Hardy failed to provide complete and accurate information to NFL investigators and members of the NFL staff.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Again, we don't' know - neither do you. It's called speculation, and that's all you have. I already pointed out that maybe he settled to avoid gun charges or drug charges. Maybe he settled to avoid a costly trial - who knows.There was so much damaging evidence, so much violence proven in the pics that the DA decided not to pursue Hardy on his own? What a horrible, horrible failure then on the DA to executed the job of the office. He with such damaging, non deniable picture proof of an attack he chose to let a violent offender walk. Wow.

 

Yeah...its called the difference between a court of law...and the standards of proof the NFL needs to punish.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Yeah...its called the difference between a court of law...and the standards of proof the NFL needs to punish.

I'm on board for suspending him 6 games. The guns, coke and 4 a.m. circus warrants that, no problem. This 10 game stuff is BS though.

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm on board for suspending him 6 games. The guns, coke and 4 a.m. circus warrants that, no problem. This 10 game stuff is BS though.

Doubt it would bother you if he was a Panther

[Cruzer 1,996]

Doubt it would bother you if he was a Panther

Unlike some, I'm pretty even across the board. I don't let what team is on my lunch box determine my stances... I thought AP got a raw deal - totally screwed by the league office - and no affiliation to the Vikes at all.

[phillybear 366]

Eat cack. its a tip

 

Eat cack. Its a tip. Allegedly.

[NewbieJr 541]

Unlike some, I'm pretty even across the board. I don't let what team is on my lunch box determine my stances... I thought AP got a raw deal - totally screwed by the league office - and no affiliation to the Vikes at all.

Meh. That's only because you know he's a future Cowboy

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Unlike some, I'm pretty even across the board. I don't let what team is on my lunch box determine my stances... I thought AP got a raw deal - totally screwed by the league office - and no affiliation to the Vikes at all.

 

Yeah, AP was the victim.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm on board for suspending him 6 games. The guns, coke and 4 a.m. circus warrants that, no problem. This 10 game stuff is BS though.

Dont want 10 games....dont withhold info from your employer

[FeelingMN 273]

Unlike some, I'm pretty even across the board. I don't let what team is on my lunch box determine my stances... I thought AP got a raw deal - totally screwed by the league office - and no affiliation to the Vikes at all.

No mention of Gordon. But the guys who beat women and children got the raw deal.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Dont want 10 games....dont withhold info from your employer

The NFL sued the Attorney General and Mecklenburg County DA for the rights to the exhibits in the Hardy case. The lawsuit did not name Hardy himself - hence, Hardy wasn't the one w/holding anything.

[Cruzer 1,996]

No mention of Gordon. But the guys who beat women and children got the raw deal.

I didn't mention Gordon bcoz I did not follow his case. Since I didn't have just a whole lot of background on it, seems pretty stupid to assume I'd comment on it.

 

With AP - his raw deal comes in the form of the actual penalty. He should of been punished and he was - but the manner in which it was done was wrong. imo

[NewbieJr 541]

The NFL sued the Attorney General and Mecklenburg County DA for the rights to the exhibits in the Hardy case. The lawsuit did not name Hardy himself - hence, Hardy wasn't the one w/holding anything.

So you admit that the NFL went out of it's way to make sure they had all the facts before making a decision?

[FeelingMN 273]

I didn't mention Gordon bcoz I did not follow his case. Since I didn't have just a whole lot of background on it, seems pretty stupid to assume I'd comment on it.With AP - his raw deal comes in the form of the actual penalty. He should of been punished and he was - but the manner in which it was done was wrong. imo

You're a football fan....and a Fantasy Footballer?......and you don't know anything about Josh Gordon?

 

Maybe you just follow the news of guys who beat women and children and how they're unfairly punished by the NFL.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

You're a football fan....and a Fantasy Footballer?......and you don't know anything about Josh Gordon?

 

Maybe you just follow the news of guys who beat women and children and how they're unfairly punished by the NFL.

 

Ha a homer. And a clown. A homerclown.

[Cruzer 1,996]

You're a football fan....and a Fantasy Footballer?......and you don't know anything about Josh Gordon?

Been a fan since '74... After 20 plus years of FF I got burned out, just wasn't enjoyable anymore - I stopped. So no, I didn't follow the Gordon case bcoz he had no fantasy impact to me, nor did it really have much interests.

[Cruzer 1,996]

So you admit that the NFL went out of it's way to make sure they had all the facts before making a decision?

I do... From that I would like to know what it is they saw that the DA did not. Maybe it was the entire circus as a whole that they deemed fit for the penalty - if so, so be it. 10 games though, that is absurd.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Ha a homer. And a clown. A homerclown.

I would expect more from a Marine. Then again, you are a Giants fan - so maybe not.

[NewbieJr 541]

I do... From that I would like to know what it is they saw that the DA did not. Maybe it was the entire circus as a whole that they deemed fit for the penalty - if so, so be it. 10 games though, that is absurd.

It'll likely be 4 or 6. But he deserves 10

[Frank M 181]

i can't wait for the pics of jones, chirstie and hardy giving each other head in the owners box

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[Cruzer 1,996]

It'll likely be 4 or 6. But he deserves 10

He very well may, I'd like to see the evidence. If the only viable evidence is the testimony of a crack head junkie, then it seems like a grandstanding conclusion.

[KSB2424 3,173]

You guys don't get it.

 

There is no domestic violence case, it was dropped. Charges are being expunged.

 

He didn't fail a drug test (i.e. a conviction)

He wasn't convicted or plead to a lesser charge (i.e Rice or AP)

 

You guys are assuming he is guilty of a charge that is dropped. I don't think you guys understand the nuances of NC Law either.

 

Greg Hardy, in the eyes of the state is innocent. He will not have a record. He is a normal person. Just like the Duke LAX guys are....after everyone assumed otherwise.

 

The fact you folks fail to use the word "alledgedly" when making your statements is the clue. So we can go on and on about any of it, but it doesn't matter. Greg Hardy doesn't have a DV case. Thats a fact. Wether you think he did anyting is speculation and assumptions. Roger Goodell ruling on speculation and assumptions is poor leadership. Making the proper calls in a power postion isn't always about what you THINK is right or wrong. It's about being fair and setting logical and proper precedents.

 

Roger does neither. He's a control freak micro manager who "thinks" he's smarter than everyone else. Roger sticks his finger in the air to check the social media winds and uses that as his guide, not whats fair and just. And it will bite him one day. It almost did with Ray Rice, but it will come.

[NewbieJr 541]

You guys don't get it.

 

There is no domestic violence case, it was dropped. Charges are being expunged.

 

He didn't fail a drug test (i.e. a conviction)

He wasn't convicted or plead to a lesser charge (i.e Rice or AP)

 

You guys are assuming he is guilty of a charge that is dropped. I don't think you guys understand the nuances of NC Law either.

 

Greg Hardy, in the eyes of the state is innocent. He will not have a record. He is a normal person. Just like the Duke LAX guys are....after everyone assumed otherwise.

 

The fact you folks fail to use the word "alledgedly" when making your statements is the clue. So we can go on and on about any of it, but it doesn't matter. Greg Hardy doesn't have a DV case. Thats a fact. Wether you think he did anyting is speculation and assumptions. Roger Goodell ruling on speculation and assumptions is poor leadership. Making the proper calls in a power postion isn't always about what you THINK is right or wrong. It's about being fair and setting logical and proper precedents.

 

Roger does neither. He's a control freak micro manager who "thinks" he's smarter than everyone else. Roger sticks his finger in the air to check the social media winds and uses that as his guide, not whats fair and just. And it will bite him one day. It almost did with Ray Rice, but it will come.

You are seriously retarded.

Here's one difference between hardy and the rest of the people walking down the streEt.....the rest weren't found GUILTY BY A JUDGE.

[KSB2424 3,173]

You are seriously retarded.

Here's one difference between hardy and the rest of the people walking down the streEt.....the rest weren't found GUILTY BY A JUDGE.

Like I stated you don't get how NC law works apparently.

 

If Hardy was guilty then what's his sentence? Prison? Probation? What is it?

 

Oh it's nothing, because in the eyes of the state on NC he is innocent and will have no record.

[Mungwater 601]

You are seriously retarded.

Here's one difference between hardy and the rest of the people walking down the streEt.....the rest weren't found GUILTY BY A JUDGE.

And those charges were later dropped

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

You guys don't get it.

 

There is no domestic violence case, it was dropped. Charges are being expunged.

 

He didn't fail a drug test (i.e. a conviction)

He wasn't convicted or plead to a lesser charge (i.e Rice or AP)

 

You guys are assuming he is guilty of a charge that is dropped. I don't think you guys understand the nuances of NC Law either.

 

Greg Hardy, in the eyes of the state is innocent. He will not have a record. He is a normal person. Just like the Duke LAX guys are....after everyone assumed otherwise.

 

The fact you folks fail to use the word "alledgedly" when making your statements is the clue. So we can go on and on about any of it, but it doesn't matter. Greg Hardy doesn't have a DV case. Thats a fact. Wether you think he did anyting is speculation and assumptions. Roger Goodell ruling on speculation and assumptions is poor leadership. Making the proper calls in a power postion isn't always about what you THINK is right or wrong. It's about being fair and setting logical and proper precedents.

 

Roger does neither. He's a control freak micro manager who "thinks" he's smarter than everyone else. Roger sticks his finger in the air to check the social media winds and uses that as his guide, not whats fair and just. And it will bite him one day. It almost did with Ray Rice, but it will come.

No one is ever found innocent. They are found guilty or not guilty or the case is dismissed. Nobody ever said he was not guilty, and for damn sure never said he was innocent. And oh yeah, he's a huge s bag. No one says a good word about him.

[FeelingMN 273]

You guys don't get it.

 

There is no domestic violence case, it was dropped. Charges are being expunged.

 

He didn't fail a drug test (i.e. a conviction)

He wasn't convicted or plead to a lesser charge (i.e Rice or AP)

 

You guys are assuming he is guilty of a charge that is dropped. I don't think you guys understand the nuances of NC Law either.

 

Greg Hardy, in the eyes of the state is innocent. He will not have a record. He is a normal person. Just like the Duke LAX guys are....after everyone assumed otherwise.

 

The fact you folks fail to use the word "alledgedly" when making your statements is the clue. So we can go on and on about any of it, but it doesn't matter. Greg Hardy doesn't have a DV case. Thats a fact. Wether you think he did anyting is speculation and assumptions. Roger Goodell ruling on speculation and assumptions is poor leadership. Making the proper calls in a power postion isn't always about what you THINK is right or wrong. It's about being fair and setting logical and proper precedents.

 

Roger does neither. He's a control freak micro manager who "thinks" he's smarter than everyone else. Roger sticks his finger in the air to check the social media winds and uses that as his guide, not whats fair and just. And it will bite him one day. It almost did with Ray Rice, but it will come.

So Hardy didn't violate the NFL personal conduct policy?

 

Maybe if Hardy had been more compliant with investigators Goodell would've been a bit more lenient. Why does a guy with nothing to hide not fully comply with investigators?

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

Why was it dismissed?

Proof of innocence? Nope...because the witness didn't show up and there is reason to believe she accepted a settlement.

Why would an innocent man settle on appeal? Hmm...

 

Proof of innocence? What country are you posting from? In the US of A you need proof of guilt.

[KSB2424 3,173]

So Hardy didn't violate the NFL personal conduct policy?

 

Maybe if Hardy had been more compliant with investigators Goodell would've been a bit more lenient. Why does a guy with nothing to hide not fully comply with investigators?

Is there not a specific guideline about DV that states it's six games unless something above and beyond? Would you consider having charges dropped a negative? At the VERY least it's six games. The fact it's not tells me what I need to know.

[Cruzer 1,996]

It is interesting of note: Presiding judge over the bench trial was Rebecca Thorne Tin - noted feminists, who also happened to be up for re-election only a few months after the trial.

[KSB2424 3,173]

It is interesting of note: Presiding judge of the bench trial was Rebecca Thorne Tin - noted feminists, who also happened to be up for re-election only a few months after the trial.

Maybe I'm biased because of how suprised the local beat reporters were after the judge made the ruling. The two I follow on Twitter were shocked and they were covering the ins and outs of that bench "trial".

[FeelingMN 273]

Is there not a specific guideline about DV that states it's six games unless something above and beyond? Would you consider having charges dropped a negative? At the VERY least it's six games. The fact it's not tells me what I need to know.

NFL conducted their own investigation. They found he violated the personal conduct policy. Furthermore, he did not fully comply with investigators. Thus the 10 game ban.

 

Maybe you folks in NC can vote on the NFL conduct policy and maybe vote Goodell out too. Oh....wait....NC law doesn't allow you to dictate how the NFL operates? Oh....then I guess the only way we can affect change in the league is to stop watching. Good luck!

[KSB2424 3,173]

NFL conducted their own investigation. They found he violated the personal conduct policy. Furthermore, he did not fully comply with investigators. Thus the 10 game ban.

 

Maybe you folks in NC can vote on the NFL conduct policy and maybe vote Goodell out too. Oh....wait....NC law doesn't allow you to dictate how the NFL operates? Oh....then I guess the only way we can affect change in the league is to stop watching. Good luck!

 

You still don't get it. :sigh:

 

I don't personally care about Greg Hardy. Hell the Cowboys and the Panthers are probably fighting for the same playoff spot next season. A 16 game ban would be fine by me, as a NFC Panther fan.

 

That doesn't mean, that on a message board, where we talk about current events, I can't point out how illogical, unfair, stoopid, and most importantly inconsistent Roger Goodell and the NFL has been for several years now with it's conduct policies. Hope This Helps.

[Cruzer 1,996]

NFL conducted their own investigation. They found he violated the personal conduct policy. Furthermore, he did not fully comply with investigators. Thus the 10 game ban.

You keep mentioning this... I'm not aware of it, would love to know - how did Hardy not cooperate with investigators, what did he specifically do (or not do) to say this?

[KSB2424 3,173]

Hardy not cooperate with investigators, what did he specifically do (or not do) to say this?

 

Why would a player want to anyway? After the past few years. Why would they volunarirly go on the exempt list anymore? Why would they voluntarily help Roger Goodell after the past few years? They'd be crazy too. I'm sure their lawyers said the same.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You guys don't get it.

 

There is no domestic violence case, it was dropped. Charges are being expunged.

 

He didn't fail a drug test (i.e. a conviction)

He wasn't convicted or plead to a lesser charge (i.e Rice or AP)

 

You guys are assuming he is guilty of a charge that is dropped. I don't think you guys understand the nuances of NC Law either.

 

Greg Hardy, in the eyes of the state is innocent. He will not have a record. He is a normal person. Just like the Duke LAX guys are....after everyone assumed otherwise.

 

The fact you folks fail to use the word "alledgedly" when making your statements is the clue. So we can go on and on about any of it, but it doesn't matter. Greg Hardy doesn't have a DV case. Thats a fact. Wether you think he did anyting is speculation and assumptions. Roger Goodell ruling on speculation and assumptions is poor leadership. Making the proper calls in a power postion isn't always about what you THINK is right or wrong. It's about being fair and setting logical and proper precedents.

 

Roger does neither. He's a control freak micro manager who "thinks" he's smarter than everyone else. Roger sticks his finger in the air to check the social media winds and uses that as his guide, not whats fair and just. And it will bite him one day. It almost did with Ray Rice, but it will come.

The NFL does not have th3 same burden of proof as the DA. I dont use allegedly because i dont pretend his first conviction didn't happen. Neither i, nor the NFL is really bound to ignore it.

They (not just some supposed power hungry commish) conducted a long investigation and the evidence told them enough to warrant the suspension.