hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 Will Smith apparently likes to smear a mixture of sunscreen and rosin on his glove arm so he can "grip the ball" not to make it dance or anything Guess he should be suspended 4 games and the BrewCrew lose some draft picks. It is pretty common knowledge that most pitchers do something like this, probably as many as QBs who fock with the ball inflation. But, see, it's just not a big deal. You get tossed and that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 Will Smith apparently likes to smear a mixture of sunscreen and rosin on his glove arm so he can "grip the ball" not to make it dance or anything Guess he should be suspended 4 games and the BrewCrew lose some draft picks. It is pretty common knowledge that most pitchers do something like this, probably as many as QBs who fock with the ball inflation. But, see, it's just not a big deal. You get tossed and that's it. Did he lie when confronted, blame others, deny ever knowing about sunscrfeen or that rosin existed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,731 Posted May 22, 2015 CHEATERS! Take away their world serie... oh wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,438 Posted May 22, 2015 This is an affront to sportsmanship. Off with his head Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 Did he refuse to give access to his arm, glove, or did his organization refuse access in some way? How many balls did he do this to? Did he pretend to have no knowledge of the rule and yet be someone who actively proposed as supported that rule? Just trying to see how relevant this is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 Did he lie when confronted, blame others, deny ever knowing about sunscrfeen or that rosin existed? What difference does it make? It's a minor offense, just like under- or over-inflating a football is. He did say he put it on in the bullpen then forgot to take it off before he came out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 What difference does it make? It's a minor offense, just like under- or over-inflating a football is. He did say he put it on in the bullpen then forgot to take it off before he came out Did he sneak into the umpires room when nobody was looking and put the substance on balls, pregame? Will Smith apparently likes to smear a mixture of sunscreen and rosin on his glove arm so he can "grip the ball" not to make it dance or anything Guess he should be suspended 4 games and the BrewCrew lose some draft picks. It is pretty common knowledge that most pitchers do something like this, probably as many as QBs who fock with the ball inflation. But, see, it's just not a big deal. You get tossed and that's it. Also I was unaware that Will Smith played in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,731 Posted May 22, 2015 Did he refuse to give access I love what the haters glom onto glom glom glom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 Did he refuse to give access to his arm, glove, or did his organization refuse access in some way? No, he got caught red-handed, which is a nice standard of evidence to have, dontcha think? Did you not watch the video? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,731 Posted May 22, 2015 No, he got caught red-handed, which is a nice standard of evidence to have, dontcha think? Did you not watch the video? Evidence what is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 Obstruction charges were dropped. MLB absolutely colluded against him. who gives a fock now? Evidence what is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 No, he got caught red-handed, which is a nice standard of evidence to have, dontcha think? Did you not watch the video? I don't watch baseball, actively avoid it. But I do like both apples and oranges of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 22, 2015 I love what the haters glom onto glom glom glom come on brady should have given his cell phone to the group who leaked and did not retract totally fabricated hogschit psi #s and other lies during the investigation. Um yeah, ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,731 Posted May 22, 2015 come on brady should have given his cell phone to the group who leaked and did not retract totally fabricated hogschit psi #s and other lies during the investigation. Um yeah, ok He should have given his cell phone so they could read his PRIVATE conversations too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 I should not be enjoying this as much as I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,438 Posted May 22, 2015 Are they going to interview the ballboy five times? When does the 200 page report come out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 22, 2015 He should have given his cell phone so they could read his PRIVATE conversations too ofcourse duh, they've proven they could be trusted, and its not like brady is a celebrity married to a celebrity or anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,977 Posted May 22, 2015 Pink hat Pats homers defending cheating - shocker! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 Are they going to interview the ballboy five times? When does the 200 page report come out? I'm sure when it does you will ignore all the findings and statements and substitute your own and then argue they are real no matter how many times people show you they are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 Are they going to interview the ballboy five times? When does the 200 page report come out? Again, no, because it is a common occurrence. Most pitchers have something on the ball, just like every NFL team doctors their balls the way they want them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 Again, no, because it is a common occurrence. Most pitchers have something on the ball, just like every NFL team doctors their balls the way they want them. You guys should write a book: The Lies we tell ourselves to justify cheating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 You guys should write a book: The Lies we tell ourselves to justify cheating. you don't think it's a little odd that NFL teams can do whatever they want to the ball except fock with the air? Or that when baseball players fock with the ball they just get tossed from the game and that's it? Serious questions. I'm not saying Brady shouldn't be punished, but the severity and scale of outrage are just ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 22, 2015 Again, no, because it is a common occurrence. Most pitchers have something on the ball, just like every NFL team doctors their balls the way they want them.rumor has it some guys like to try and sneak them by the refs over the limit, no biggie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,977 Posted May 22, 2015 Pats nation still on full tilt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 you don't think it's a little odd that NFL teams can do whatever they want to the ball except fock with the air? Or that when baseball players fock with the ball they just get tossed from the game and that's it? Serious questions. I'm not saying Brady shouldn't be punished, but the severity and scale of outrage are just ridiculous. Again, let me know when a pitcher hires guys to sneak into the umpire's dressing room and switches out legal baseballs for illegal ones to give him an advantage during the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 Can't wait to see what the next justification for cheating will be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted May 22, 2015 There's no lying about it. Umpire noticed something was wrong, walked out to the pitchers mound, and caught him red handed. Not a big deal as most pitchers do mess with the ball just like all Qbs mess with the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 22, 2015 Can't wait to see what the next justification for cheating will bedeer antler spray help justify it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 deer antler spray help justify it ? Bringing out an old favorite That one never gets old, maybe Th*masina should consider spraying that stuff on the footballs? Maybe he already did, not that he knows anything about the footballs of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 I'll try again. I'm not saying Brady shouldn't be punished. But does no one else think the severity of the penalty and scale of outrage is not completely out of proportion to the actual offense he committed? I actually find it mind boggling! How is it not just a one game suspension and maybe a fine? It doesn't matter if he lied about it. The underlying offense is minor. And why is the team allowed to scuff the balls up but not let a pound of air out? When pitchers get thrown out for doctoring the ball, they lie about it too, but they still just get tossed and that's it. Like if a WR got busted with stickum on his gloves, I'd expect him to be thrown out of the game and that's it. I just don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 22, 2015 Will Smith apparently likes to smear a mixture of sunscreen and rosin on his glove arm so he can "grip the ball" not to make it dance or anything Guess he should be suspended 4 games and the BrewCrew lose some draft picks. It is pretty common knowledge that most pitchers do something like this, probably as many as QBs who fock with the ball inflation. But, see, it's just not a big deal. You get tossed and that's it. He will be suspended as others have been for that infraction. But what other qbs alter the ball after inspection? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 I'll try again. I'm not saying Brady shouldn't be punished. But does no one else think the severity of the penalty and scale of outrage is not completely out of proportion to the actual offense he committed? I actually find it mind boggling! How is it not just a one game suspension and maybe a fine? It doesn't matter if he lied about it. The underlying offense is minor. And why is the team allowed to scuff the balls up but not let a pound of air out? When pitchers get thrown out for doctoring the ball, they lie about it too, but they still just get tossed and that's it. Like if a WR got busted with stickum on his gloves, I'd expect him to be thrown out of the game and that's it. I just don't get it. I suspect he likely would have faced a single game suspension had he not lied, or pretended to not know anything about the occurence, had he cooperated a bit more, and not been so smug about it. I think the eventual outcome was a result of the offense and also too the attempt to deny, lie and obfuscate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,315 Posted May 22, 2015 Suspended eight games... Appeal filed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 22, 2015 Suspended eight games... I give up. I just don't understand anything anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,553 Posted May 22, 2015 I give up. I just don't understand anything anymore I know....I know....you see, he cheated....so he is being punished. Cheating is wrong, so the people who want the game to be played fairly and cleanly, punished him for it. Take some time with this, let it settle in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 I give up. I just don't understand anything anymore You do know that Baseball <> Football, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted May 22, 2015 8 games in baseball is like 1 game in football. His spot in the rotation will come up maybe twice before he's back out there. Remember baseball players play over 100 games in a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,154 Posted May 22, 2015 8 games in baseball is like 1 game in football. His spot in the rotation will come up maybe twice before he's back out there. Remember baseball players play over 100 games in a season. He's a reliever and I think he had the most appearances in baseball last year, so maybe 3 or 4 innings...so it's more like he would be missing a quarter in a football game. More for the Patriot fans to about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 22, 2015 I'll try again. I'm not saying Brady shouldn't be punished. But does no one else think the severity of the penalty and scale of outrage is not completely out of proportion to the actual offense he committed? I actually find it mind boggling! How is it not just a one game suspension and maybe a fine? It doesn't matter if he lied about it. The underlying offense is minor. And why is the team allowed to scuff the balls up but not let a pound of air out? When pitchers get thrown out for doctoring the ball, they lie about it too, but they still just get tossed and that's it. Like if a WR got busted with stickum on his gloves, I'd expect him to be thrown out of the game and that's it. I just don't get it. Factors in the decision: Brady's refusal to cooperate Pat's not allowing Wells to talk to McNally a second time The Patriots press conferences, complete with flat out lying The Patriots history of cheating I suspect that a pitcher caught cheating multiple times will face a lengthier suspension each time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 365 Posted May 22, 2015 I had 300 on Atlanta last night. I'd like to say a thank you to the umpires for doing a fine job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites