Darren McFadden or Joseph Randle

[R8RMick 242]

Followed Randle throughout his college career at OK State.....playing against some pretty good teams like OU, Texas, K State, Huskers, Aggies, etc. Anyone insisting that he is JAG is ill-informed. He rushed for 24 TD's his Sophomore year (2nd only to Barry Sanders in school history) and added 2 more receiving TD's that year on 43 catches, earning a 2nd team all Big 12 selection. He was the Big 12's leading rusher the following year, earning 1st team all-conference honors. He went pro the following year.

 

You get him behind a stalwart o-line, and he is gonna shine....IF they feed him the ball.

 

I will not hype him anymore, or post any YouTube college highlights....because he is still a tremendous value right now. I am actually quite glad that he is missing the preseason. Hopefully, he won't be back until week 1, allowing the hype-train to remain at the station.

 

Plenty of real good college runners flame out in the pros. I'm not one to disagree with many of your takes, but I think folks are making some serious misconceptions about Joseph Randle. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time and I'd own it. But I think this is a big mistake for the Cowboys.

[weepaws 3,158]

Plenty of real good college runners flame out in the pros. I'm not one to disagree with many of your takes, but I think folks are making some serious misconceptions about Joseph Randle. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time and I'd own it. But I think this is a big mistake for the Cowboys.

 

Good points once again . I like Randle and the simple reason is he his looking more and more like the number one guy don't see how he won't be , and that awesome oline that the Cowboys have . He should be able to fall forward for 4 yards lol .

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Plenty of real good college runners flame out in the pros. I'm not one to disagree with many of your takes, but I think folks are making some serious misconceptions about Joseph Randle. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time and I'd own it. But I think this is a big mistake for the Cowboys.

 

You are such a pessimistic type of guy. Murray ran a 4.41 but he had a laundry list of red flags heading into last season. His ADP fell into round 3. Dude finished the season with over 400 touches and was the top fantasy RB for the season. Sometime you just have to take the leap of faith when the opportunity presents itself.

[R8RMick 242]

 

You are such a pessimistic type of guy. Murray ran a 4.41 but he had a laundry list of red flags heading into last season. His ADP fell into round 3. Dude finished the season with over 400 touches and was the top fantasy RB for the season. Sometime you just have to take the leap of faith when the opportunity presents itself.

Lol... I can take criticism, but respectfully I'd like to think I was pragmatic. Firstly, the switch to a power running style caught everyone by surprise last year, even the Cowboys fans on this board. Murray's career YPC has remained constant since his rookie season, the only increase he saw last year was in rushing attempts. Cowboys fans had been waiting years for the team to commit to the run and in 2014 they finally did. But nobody saw that coming, and hence Murray's 2014 ADP.

 

Secondly, Joseph Randle is no DeMarco Murray. He's not even close to being able to run the power ground offense the Cowboys need to compete against Seattle in the NFC. Proof of that fact alone is indeed in the sick amount of carries Murray saw last year. Randle could not be trusted to pass block, especially in critical situations late in games. I'd be surprised if Randle saw double digit 4th QTR carries for the entire 2014 season. Of course Randle is light years from carrying the mail as a workhorse back as well, even at 100 carries less than Murray had last year. And this team cannot implement last years power running game with a committee.

 

My problem with Randle, from a fantasy standpoint, isn't him not being serviceable in this offense. It's the Cowboys having no chance to win the NFC with him at the helm or in a committee. The greater chance of them realizing such means the greater chance they'll make a move. In which case Randle's fantasy numbers will look similar to last season albeit with a modest uptick.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

It's the Cowboys having no chance to win the NFC with him at the helm or in a committee.

 

That's a bold statement. We'll see come mid season. Be prepare for me to bump this puppy if he EXPLODES.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

 

That's a bold statement. We'll see come mid season. Be prepare for me to bump this puppy if he EXPLODES.

Thats a really bold statement. One way to look at Randle is this: How good has Dallas been with player evaluation lately? Pretty damn good imo. They passed on signing their rb they "need to compete" to a large contract. They then didnt sign or draft any rb to be a real threat for their main carry guy. The most logical reason i can come up with, and honestly Jerry even stated it, they believe Randle is the guy. The guy looks smooth when he runs. Hes definitely not without talent from what i see. I cant speak to his pass blocking as i didnt pay much attention.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

That's a bold statement. We'll see come mid season. Be prepare for me to bump this puppy if he EXPLODES.

R8 also boldly predicted AP would be in a Cowboys uniform by now - take him with a grain of salt.

 

For the record - I don't want my RB carrying the rock 392 times, nor do I want him getting a combined 450 touches. Randle doesn't have to be that kind of back - he has to be his kind of back. For all we know, his style of running will be equally effective... It's not like he's 5'8 and 190 lbs. after all - he's 6', 200 lbs.

 

My concerns with Randle remain the same as they have always been - fumbling, pass protection and stupidity. He has proven to be a bona fide dumbass - and those make me nervous.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents.

If Mcfadden is better then that means Randle is horrible and shouldnt even be on a roster.

[stonewall 647]

My concerns with Randle remain the same as they have always been - fumbling, pass protection and stupidity. He has proven to be a bona fide dumbass - and those make me nervous.

 

These are the only things that keep me from being all-in, as well. The guy did steal underwear and cologne, for crying out loud. I think pass protection can be coached up, and Murray was a fumbling machine last season.

I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents.

 

This is possibly true.....certainly in his prime. There is always a chance that McFadden could have a healthy year, and dominate touches.....which would hamstring Randle (no pun intended). The chances of that are so statistically improbable, however, that I must relegate that notion to the file of wishful thinking.

[R8RMick 242]

R8 also boldly predicted AP would be in a Cowboys uniform by now - take him with a grain of salt.

 

For the record - I don't want my RB carrying the rock 392 times, nor do I want him getting a combined 450 touches. Randle doesn't have to be that kind of back - he has to be his kind of back. For all we know, his style of running will be equally effective... It's not like he's 5'8 and 190 lbs. after all - he's 6', 200 lbs.

 

My concerns with Randle remain the same as they have always been - fumbling, pass protection and stupidity. He has proven to be a bona fide dumbass - and those make me nervous.

I did make that statement and will own it. I defer to your insight on Cowboy football, but will stand by my statement they won't win the NFC with this stable of RBs.

[R8RMick 242]

R8 also boldly predicted AP would be in a Cowboys uniform by now - take him with a grain of salt.

 

For the record - I don't want my RB carrying the rock 392 times, nor do I want him getting a combined 450 touches. Randle doesn't have to be that kind of back - he has to be his kind of back. For all we know, his style of running will be equally effective... It's not like he's 5'8 and 190 lbs. after all - he's 6', 200 lbs.

 

My concerns with Randle remain the same as they have always been - fumbling, pass protection and stupidity. He has proven to be a bona fide dumbass - and those make me nervous.

Somebody is going to need make those carries, and I don't think this team can be successful running the ball under 400 times. Ideally, a workhorse back could get you 320 of those, or 20 a game. Is Randle up to it? A committee won't work, as the ground game will break down without continuity and they'll start flinging the rock around the ole ballyard again.

[stonewall 647]

In fairness, as somebody pointed out earlier, ESPN analyst and former Cowboy Scout Bryan Broaddus is on record as saying that McFadden will be the man this year.

 

I respect a lot of what Broaddus says, but I simply cannot envision a scenario where he stays healthy. Obviously, I also believe that Randle is a NFL caliber starting RB.

[weepaws 3,158]

I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents.

No

[Beyond Chaos 75]

No

You're clearly wrong on this. How much do you want to bet?

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

You're clearly wrong on this. How much do you want to bet?

How do you make a bet on something like this?

[Beyond Chaos 75]

I

 

How do you make a bet on something like this?

It's an easy win for me, my statement was "I THINK Mcfadden is a better RB...." I am 100% sure this is my opinion.

[Ray_T 740]

 

Who's available?

Ray Rice? - can't see this happening..

Chris Johnson? - He's been done

Steven Jackson? - See Chris Johnson

OK, the Cowboys are on the Verge of Signing me, a nobody to run behind that awesome line. All I gotta do is fall forward and run through the hole.

 

draft Me Draft me everyone!!!!

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

OK, the Cowboys are on the Verge of Signing me, a nobody to run behind that awesome line. All I gotta do is fall forward and run through the hole.

 

draft Me Draft me everyone!!!!

Can you catch a football? Im trying to figure out if you are better in ppr or standard leagues.

[Ray_T 740]

I can Catch. but I gotta admit, since I hit 30, the hands havnt been as good.

 

Better to draft me in a Standard league.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

I can Catch. but I gotta admit, since I hit 30, the hands havnt been as good.

 

Better to draft me in a Standard league.

You're 30? You've hit the wall for running backs, but I guess you're like Forsett and haven't been used much so you'll be ok.

[Ray_T 740]

You're 30? You've hit the wall for running backs, but I guess you're like Forsett and haven't been used much so you'll be ok.

Yes Sir, you are Correct Sir.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Somebody is going to need make those carries, and I don't think this team can be successful running the ball under 400 times. Ideally, a workhorse back could get you 320 of those, or 20 a game. Is Randle up to it?

And herein lies the fundamental difference.. You see variables as being the same as last year - there're not. The reason we functioned under a running/ball control offense last year is bcoz we had to. Our defense was so bad that we had no other options. As a unit they were unable to get opposing offenses of the field on their own - could not be trusted. To add insult to injury - we had zero depth.

 

Things have changed at Valley Ranch in 1 short offseason.. Not only has this unit amassed talent, but we have unbelievable depth - damn near at every position. Granted Hardy and McClain will miss 4 games each - but once back we will be rolling out this:

 

* N. Hayden, T. Crawford, G. Hardy, D. Lawrence, J. Mincey, R. Gregory, J. Crawford and probably K. Bishop on the front 4.. That's some serious depth and talent.

* S. Lee, A. Hitchens, R McClain and D. Wilson at linebacker

* B. Carr, O. Scandrick, B. Jones, M. Claiborne, C. White (surprising star of camp), B. Church, JJ Wilcox and J. Heath in the secondary

 

The once liability defense is going to surprise many this year - and they will be able to handle their business w/out the offense having to shoulder the burden...... Which in turn is going to free up the offense. Look for Beasley to have a major increase in his role this year, as well as Escobar..... If whatever RB is back there can keep Romo from getting killed - it should be fun to watch.

[weepaws 3,158]

You're clearly wrong on this. How much do you want to bet?[/quote

 

How do you prove it .. I say Randle is better and you say McFadden is better it's more a matter of opinion .

[weepaws 3,158]

OK, the Cowboys are on the Verge of Signing me, a nobody to run behind that awesome line. All I gotta do is fall forward and run through the hole.

 

draft Me Draft me everyone!!!!

Just fall forward that should get you at least a few yards .

[Beyond Chaos 75]

You're clearly wrong on this. How much do you want to bet?[/quote

 

How do you prove it .. I say Randle is better and you say McFadden is better it's more a matter of opinion .

The bet was regarding the truth of my statement to which you responded "No." implying my statement was false. My statement "I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents." is a true statement and is proved by my stating that is in fact what I currently believe. My confirmation of my belief is the proof. If I left out the "I think" part then your response of "No." may have been appropriate.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

The bet was regarding the truth of my statement to which you responded "No." implying my statement was false. My statement "I think McFadden is the better RB, he's just injury prone. My 2 cents." is a true statement and is proved by my stating that is in fact what I currently believe. My confirmation of my belief is the proof. If I left out the "I think" part then your response of "No." may have been appropriate.

This is a pretty pointless discussion...

[R8RMick 242]

And herein lies the fundamental difference.. You see variables as being the same as last year - there're not. The reason we functioned under a running/ball control offense last year is bcoz we had to. Our defense was so bad that we had no other options. As a unit they were unable to get opposing offenses of the field on their own - could not be trusted. To add insult to injury - we had zero depth.

 

Things have changed at Valley Ranch in 1 short offseason.. Not only has this unit amassed talent, but we have unbelievable depth - damn near at every position. Granted Hardy and McClain will miss 4 games each - but once back we will be rolling out this:

 

* N. Hayden, T. Crawford, G. Hardy, D. Lawrence, J. Mincey, R. Gregory, J. Crawford and probably K. Bishop on the front 4.. That's some serious depth and talent.

* S. Lee, A. Hitchens, R McClain and D. Wilson at linebacker

* B. Carr, O. Scandrick, B. Jones, M. Claiborne, C. White (surprising star of camp), B. Church, JJ Wilcox and J. Heath in the secondary

 

The once liability defense is going to surprise many this year - and they will be able to handle their business w/out the offense having to shoulder the burden...... Which in turn is going to free up the offense. Look for Beasley to have a major increase in his role this year, as well as Escobar..... If whatever RB is back there can keep Romo from getting killed - it should be fun to watch.

 

I was just about to ask what you thought of the Dallas defense. That's a nice breakdown and very optimistic. I'd agree with all of it on paper, and by the way I think the big surprise is going to be Brandon Carr. He was a pretty good DB in another life and I think he's going to turn some heads. Go back and look at the job he did on Jordy Nelson in the playoff game. On paper it looks better. On paper.

 

I just think they're a better team playing like last year, which in reality is their strength. You speak of an added burden on the offense but to be frank most offensive linemen would much rather run block than pass block. And when they're opening up s can, which your guys are apt to, it can get downright fun.

 

Play to the strength.

Keep the defense off the field (and Rodgers too)

Minimize Romo exposure

 

On that last point, everytime Tony Romo drops back in an OBVIOUS passing situation it puts the franchise at risk. In the military we practice ORM- Operational Risk Management. Cutting down on the Romo passes makes him a much more effective and prolongs his quality playing time.

 

I'm not a Dallas fan, but am a huge fan of the way they balled last season.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I think Randle McFadden is better than the other 2.

[R8RMick 242]

Jerry Jones has an epiphany to resurrect the career of McFragile. But he'll need some holy water. And a priest.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I just think they're a better team playing like last year, which in reality is their strength. You speak of an added burden on the offense but to be frank most offensive linemen would much rather run block than pass block. And when they're opening up s can, which your guys are apt to, it can get downright fun.

Carr, and the rest - are going to be better simply by the fact that they are not going to have to cover for 7 seconds on every play. As you know, a secondary's best friend is a pass rush. I have no idea what kind of actual #'s we are going to put up in the sack column, but I can promise you this - opposing Qbs will not be able to just sit back, camp out all day like they did last year.... I go back from time to time and watch the Divisional playoff game against the Pack. On 1 freaking leg Rodgers was just sitting back there, relaxed, like it was a 7 on 7 drill - was sickening.

 

There is still a few weeks until the games count - but I'm starting to get a bad vibe with this team.... Not an attitude, lack of talent or scheme vibe - but a health vibe. We are dropping like flies all across the board.... Dez, D. Free, T. Smith, every damn RB, Beasley now, Z. Martin yesterday, B. Jone, R. Leary, C. Green, G. Escobar, and on and on... Trends like this can stay with a team all year long - it could be problem.

[stonewall 647]

DAL - RB Darren McFadden taking 1st-team reps

Source: NFL.com - Chris Wesseling

Dallas Cowboys RB Darren McFadden was taking first-team repetitions Monday, Aug. 17. McFadden dominated one-on-one pass drills, impressing owner/general manager Jerry Jones, 'McFadden hit that thing for the first time up in there and showed some real stuff, and he sure showed some real burst in a couple of drills where they weren't just full tackling,' Jones raved Tuesday morning. 'Boy, if we can keep him out there, he'll tear their you know what up.'

[R8RMick 242]

Carr, and the rest - are going to be better simply by the fact that they are not going to have to cover for 7 seconds on every play. As you know, a secondary's best friend is a pass rush. I have no idea what kind of actual #'s we are going to put up in the sack column, but I can promise you this - opposing Qbs will not be able to just sit back, camp out all day like they did last year.... I go back from time to time and watch the Divisional playoff game against the Pack. On 1 freaking leg Rodgers was just sitting back there, relaxed, like it was a 7 on 7 drill - was sickening.

 

There is still a few weeks until the games count - but I'm starting to get a bad vibe with this team.... Not an attitude, lack of talent or scheme vibe - but a health vibe. We are dropping like flies all across the board.... Dez, D. Free, T. Smith, every damn RB, Beasley now, Z. Martin yesterday, B. Jone, R. Leary, C. Green, G. Escobar, and on and on... Trends like this can stay with a team all year long - it could be problem.

I actually think they've been fortunate injury-wise, in fact outside of the rookie DB and Zach Martin's stinger I hadn't heard of too much. BTW find it funny the team would continue to practice on the field with Martin laying there for several minutes...i

 

I hear you on the vibes, although mine are of a different nature. I see a team losing a winning identity. You've pointed out very correctly how Rodgers carved them up in last years playoff. What I remember most is them running the ball seemingly at will against the Pack. They can get better on defense, but losing their identity as a power running team will cost them just as dearly.

 

There's optimism there surely, but I'd feel better if that came in the form of a running back who could carry the mail. Either way will be an interesting season here in Big D! As a fan, it'd be nice to have your problems.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

 

DAL - RB Darren McFadden taking 1st-team reps

Source: NFL.com - Chris Wesseling

Dallas Cowboys RB Darren McFadden was taking first-team repetitions Monday, Aug. 17. McFadden dominated one-on-one pass drills, impressing owner/general manager Jerry Jones, 'McFadden hit that thing for the first time up in there and showed some real stuff, and he sure showed some real burst in a couple of drills where they weren't just full tackling,' Jones raved Tuesday morning. 'Boy, if we can keep him out there, he'll tear their you know what up.'

 

There's another article on the site posted today that has a couple quotes from McFadden saying that him and Randle are going to split carries. It appears to be a RBBC in Dallas. I guess that brings them back to the Murray/F. Jones, F. Jones/Barber, and Barber/J. Jones days until one proves to be much better or gets injured.

[stonewall 647]

There's another article on the site posted today that has a couple quotes from McFadden saying that him and Randle are going to split carries. It appears to be a RBBC in Dallas. I guess that brings them back to the Murray/F. Jones, F. Jones/Barber, and Barber/J. Jones days until one proves to be much better or gets injured.

 

....then we should braft Randle with confidence.

[sirensong 111]

I actually think they've been fortunate injury-wise, in fact outside of the rookie DB and Zach Martin's stinger I hadn't heard of too much.

 

frederick is the only OL starter who is practicing right now--smith, free, leary, and martin are all down for multiple practices. 3rd round rookie OT is on PUP.

 

DMC and dunbar are just returning from injury. randle has been limited.

 

dez is still out. beasley is out. hanna (best blocking TE) is out.

 

on defense, crawford is out. t mcclain is out. r mcclain is out. lee is just coming back. scandrick is just coming back. hitchens is limited. jones is out. carr is nursing a broken hand.

 

 

most of the starting lineup, along with most of the key package players, have missed some or all of camp. if it tells you anything, romo is the healthiest player on the team right now.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

 

....then we should braft Randle with confidence.

Since Randle is already injured, that doesn't inspire alot of confidence.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

Since Randle is already injured, that doesn't inspire alot of confidence.

Thats why he said we should braft Randle, not draft Randle.

[Ray_T 740]

well, Randle's stock is not going to go up while hes on the sidelines. that's for sure.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,119]

well, Randle's stock is not going to go up while hes on the sidelines. that's for sure.

Hopefully to a reasonable price. His stock was climbing to 3.01 in some drafts without even taking a carry in preseason.