Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[edjr 6,580]

For starters, I won't hate the Patriots when Brady and Belichick leave.

 

because they'll never win a again

 

Please never retire guys!

[Djgb13 2,339]

For starters, I won't hate the Patriots when Brady and Belichick leave. I didn't hate them before they arrived.

 

And if Kelly becomes a Belichick and constantly cheats, I will want him out of town because it will make it hard to root for my team.

If he still finally brings trophies to the Eagles you won't be giving two sh1ts what he's doing to get them

[cbfalcon 825]

For starters, I won't hate the Patriots when Brady and Belichick leave. I didn't hate them before they arrived.

 

And if Kelly becomes a Belichick and constantly cheats, I will want him out of town because it will make it hard to root for my team.

 

Huh?

 

So are you saying you are fine rooting for cheaters like the Eagles coach, just not super successful cheaters like Bonds and Brady?

[NewbieJr 541]

If he still finally brings trophies to the Eagles you won't be giving two sh1ts what he's doing to get them

Wrong.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Huh?

 

So are you saying you are fine rooting for cheaters like the Eagles coach, just not super successful cheaters like Bonds and Brady?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[cbfalcon 825]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

 

I wrote that post as an interrogative. So feel free to clarify. I'm honestly not sure what you are saying.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I wrote that post as an interrogative. So feel free to clarify. I'm honestly not sure what you are saying.

I suppose we could this dance for five pages like the last time I destroyed you. But I've chosen to answer your questions one time only. Even if they're not the answers you're so desperately and frustratingly wanting to get.

[cbfalcon 825]

I suppose we could this dance for five pages like the last time I destroyed you. But I've chosen to answer your questions one time only. Even if they're not the answers you're so desperately and frustratingly wanting to get.

I have been destroyed yet again. .

[Herbivore 1,134]

I know it all too well to be true.

 

I know too many real Giants fans. I'm sure many fans accept him after the 2nd bowl, how can you not. Most I know thought the bad part of winning those bowls was having endure more of Coughlin. Though I suspect you hang out with the Eli is Elite crowd.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

I know too many real Giants fans. I'm sure many fans accept him after the 2nd bowl, how can you not. Most I know thought the bad part of winning those bowls was having endure more of Coughlin. Though I suspect you hang out with the Eli is Elite crowd.

What's a "real" Giants fan? Yes, the 2nd Suoer bowl tends to make fans happy. And oh yeah, Eli is elite, so you got that right, jack off

[Herbivore 1,134]

A real Giants fan as in not the media or high money type you wrote about in your post. And you also know that Eli is not an elite QB..no matter how much you say it.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

A real Giants fan as in not the media or high money type you wrote about in your post. And you also know that Eli is not an elite QB..no matter how much you say it.

Two other QB'S have more or the same Super Bowls as him. One has more Super Bowl MVP's than him. None have the same. Elite. I bet you were in the A Rod is better than Jeter camp years ago, which he was, but I would t have traded them. Same goes for Eli and those stat compilers you think are elite.

[Djgb13 2,339]

What's a "real" Giants fan? Yes, the 2nd Suoer bowl tends to make fans happy. And oh yeah, Eli is elite, so you got that right, jack off

I wouldn't call Eli elite. He would be in tier 2-3 of QBs

[mighty_thor 115]

So let me get this straight....

 

The league asks the Patriots to suspend two employees which the Pats feel did nothing wrong, and they immediately comply.

 

The league hands down a VERY harsh penalty of two draft picks and a million dollars, which team owner Bob Kraft says he's accepting and will not challenge....

 

BUT, the Pats feel they haven't cheated or done anything wrong.

 

Is that what you and your fellow blind homers are trying to say?

Kraft said he would accept the league's ruling even before they ruled. There is no appeal process for the teams only for the players. So he could only appeal by taking them to court. There was also talk that by accepting the ruling, he felt the NFL would be more lenient in Brady's appeal.

[NewbieJr 541]

Kraft said he would accept the league's ruling even before they ruled. There is no appeal process for the teams only for the players. So he could only appeal by taking them to court. There was also talk that by accepting the ruling, he felt the NFL would be more lenient in Brady's appeal.

yes. I think everyone knows that Kraft was trying to kerp his QB on the field. Bottom line is, he wouldn't have been playing let's make a deal so fast if he thought the team was innocent. Nor would he have fired the equipment managers.

[Herbivore 1,134]

Two other QB'S have more or the same Super Bowls as him. One has more Super Bowl MVP's than him. None have the same. Elite. I bet you were in the A Rod is better than Jeter camp years ago, which he was, but I would t have traded them. Same goes for Eli and those stat compilers you think are elite.

 

You need more than 1 metric. Who are the stat compilers that I think are elite?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

You need more than 1 metric. Who are the stat compilers that I think are elite?

Every QB besides the ones who led their team to a championship. And don't try and say he didn't lead them. Also, these real Giants fans you know, when did they start calling for his head? Was it after 2008 when they had the best record, and then a knucklehead decided to shoot his leg? Or after 2010, when they won 10 games? Just trying to get a gauge where the call for his head began.

[edjr 6,580]

Can't spell Elite without Eli

[Djgb13 2,339]

Every QB besides the ones who led their team to a championship. And don't try and say he didn't lead them. Also, these real Giants fans you know, when did they start calling for his head? Was it after 2008 when they had the best record, and then a knucklehead decided to shoot his leg? Or after 2010, when they won 10 games? Just trying to get a gauge where the call for his head began.

The only people that will call Eli elite are giants fans. He can be a good qb at times and others he can suck so bad. Good, but no where near elite status

[cbfalcon 825]

I tend to view QBs in something approximating the following tiers:

 

Tier 1: "Just having this QB automatically makes you a SB favorite"

Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Luck

 

Tier 2: "With this QB, you are a contender. In seasons when you have a good supporting cast, your team is as much a favorite as the tier 1 teams"

Ben, Brees, Romo, Rivers, Wilson

 

Tier 3: "With this QB, in seasons when you have a great supporting cast, you can contend and are capable of winning a SB"

Eli, Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer

 

Tier 4: "I don't see this QB as being capable of winning a SB, but he is good enough that you need to see if he can get better or maybe you'll put together a 2000 Ravens defense"

Kap, Newton, Dalton, Cutler, Bradford, Foles, Alex Smith.

 

Tier 5: "This QB is too young to know about yet, but he is our guy until we do"

Teddy, Winston, Tannehill, Bortles, RG3, Mariota, Carr

 

The goal for every franchise is to find a guy in the top 3 tiers. If you have a Tier 4 guy, you hold in hopes of him progressing into Tier 3. With Tier 5 guys, you wait. If your QB isn't listed, you are QB irrelevant.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I should say that Luck is the one who doesn't have a ring yet I'll put above Eli. The rest with no rings, sorry, I want the guy I know can get it done.

[edjr 6,580]

I should say that Luck is the one who doesn't have a ring yet I'll put above Eli. The rest with no rings, sorry, I want the guy I know can get it done.

 

Manning is done and Luck hasn't done it, still has to go through the Patriots to get there.

[cbfalcon 825]

I should say that Luck is the one who doesn't have a ring yet I'll put above Eli. The rest with no rings, sorry, I want the guy I know can get it done.

 

That's fair.

 

I think in equal situations, Luck, Rivers, and Romo would take teams further than Eli more times on average. But I completely understand the confidence of having seen Eli win those playoff games and titles and perform on the highest stage. I can't argue against it with anything tangible.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

That's fair.

 

I think in equal situations, Luck, Rivers, and Romo would take teams further than Eli more times on average. But I completely understand the confidence of having seen Eli win those playoff games and titles and perform on the highest stage. I can't argue against it with anything tangible.

I hear ya, but Romo and Rivers have been in great situations through the years. Rivers had Ladanian and Gates, Romo had T.O, Witten and Dez and the best line and running game last year. At some point the guy who gets it done has to be given credit over those that haven't.

[edjr 6,580]

I hear ya, but Romo and Rivers have been in great situations through the years. Rivers had Ladanian and Gates, Romo had T.O, Witten and Dez and the best line and running game last year. At some point the guy who gets it done has to be given credit over those that haven't.

 

Rivers kept running into the Patriots and if you remember, their best chance he played with a shredded knee in the AFC championship game

 

Romo while having a ton of talent on Offense, really didn't have a good D, not even with Ryan as DC

 

it's the NFL, the most team oriented sport in the world. QBs get WAY too much credit for winning

 

Why did the Pats lose to the Giants twice in the Super Bowl? Brady had no time to throw, ever. was always on his ass. TEAM SPORT

[cbfalcon 825]

I hear ya, but Romo and Rivers have been in great situations through the years. Rivers had Ladanian and Gates, Romo had T.O, Witten and Dez and the best line and running game last year. At some point the guy who gets it done has to be given credit over those that haven't.

The Chargers were a favorite every year for that stretch. But yeah, they ran into the Pats.... Usually when there is a dynasty type situation, there is a team that would have won a title in most other eras.

 

As a DFW guy, I can speak with more knowledge on Romo.

He has had bad offensive lines until now. And while Witten is great, when has a TE ever been a difference maker in regards to making an offense great? That's like not understanding how a defense wasn't awesome when they had one of the best weakside linebackers of the era. T.O. was there for 2 happy seasons (22-10 record and 2 playoff appearances) and 1 unhappy drama season. So they didn't have some long run.......

 

And here are the rankings of the Cowboys Team Defense since Romo took over: 28, 22, 19, 32, 25, 26, 13, 11, 24. Yet somehow his record is 75-48 and he has only had a losing record once (and that season he only played 6 games).

[edjr 6,580]

 

The Chargers were a favorite every year for that stretch. But yeah, they ran into the Pats.... Usually when there is a dynasty type situation, there is a team that would have won a title in most other eras.

 

As a DFW guy, I can speak with more knowledge on Romo.

He has had bad offensive lines until now. And while Witten is great, when has a TE ever been a difference maker in regards to making an offense great? That's like not understanding how a defense wasn't awesome when they had one of the best weakside linebackers of the era. T.O. was there for 2 happy seasons (22-10 record and 2 playoff appearances) and 1 unhappy drama season. So they didn't have some long run.......

 

And here are the rankings of the Cowboys Team Defense since Romo took over: 28, 22, 19, 32, 25, 26, 13, 11, 24. Yet somehow his record is 75-48 and he has only had a losing record once (and that season he only played 6 games).

 

 

I just said all that.. copycat

[cbfalcon 825]

 

 

I just said all that.. copycat

 

You made a vague generalization. I illustrated with facts how this vague generalization is more correct than most of your other vague generalizations.

 

So calling me a copycat of your's is a lot like claiming Lebron James is a copycat of Dr. James Naismith since they both put balls in baskets.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

The Chargers were a favorite every year for that stretch. But yeah, they ran into the Pats.... Usually when there is a dynasty type situation, there is a team that would have won a title in most other eras.

 

As a DFW guy, I can speak with more knowledge on Romo.

He has had bad offensive lines until now. And while Witten is great, when has a TE ever been a difference maker in regards to making an offense great? That's like not understanding how a defense wasn't awesome when they had one of the best weakside linebackers of the era. T.O. was there for 2 happy seasons (22-10 record and 2 playoff appearances) and 1 unhappy drama season. So they didn't have some long run.......

 

And here are the rankings of the Cowboys Team Defense since Romo took over: 28, 22, 19, 32, 25, 26, 13, 11, 24. Yet somehow his record is 75-48 and he has only had a losing record once (and that season he only played 6 games).

Well, you might want to take a look at the Giants stats then. They had no running game to speak of in 2011 and he ran in to a bunch of HOF QB'S on his way to his rings. He beat Romo, Favre, Rodgers and Brady twice, all on the road. He had one home playoff game in his runs as well. And took down a great 49r defense on the road in OT, and got his ass kicked in bad conditions the whole game. This Eli got lucky nonsense is out of control.

[edjr 6,580]

Well, you might want to take a look at the Giants stats then. They had no running game to speak of in 2011 and he ran in to a bunch of HOF QB'S on his way to his rings. He beat Romo, Favre, Rodgers and Brady twice, all on the road. He had one home playoff game in his runs as well. And took down a great 49r defense on the road in OT, and got his ass kicked in bad conditions the whole game. This Eli got lucky nonsense is out of control.

 

 

Eli helped win me a fantasy championship a few years ago, when I drafted him in the 9th round.

 

he has a special place in my heart. We all know at the end of the day $ trumps allegiance to a NFL franchise

[NewbieJr 541]

The only people that will call Eli elite are giants fans. He can be a good qb at times and others he can suck so bad. Good, but no where near elite status

I agree. He's not elite. But the boy is one clutch mother*cker

[Cruzer 1,995]

I agree. He's not elite. But the boy is one clutch mother*cker

 

The only people that will call Eli elite are giants fans. He can be a good qb at times and others he can suck so bad. Good, but no where near elite status

This is a pretty good way to put it - agreed.

[edjr 6,580]

I agree. He's not elite. But the boy is one clutch mother*cker

 

[RLLD 4,230]

 

This is a pretty good way to put it - agreed.

 

If you take a risky QB Eli is nice to have as a steady backup for sure.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

Eli helped win me a fantasy championship a few years ago, when I drafted him in the 9th round.

 

he has a special place in my heart. We all know at the end of the day $ trumps allegiance to a NFL franchise

Fantasy-wise, I think Eli is going to win people championships this year. He won't require a real early pick and he's going to put up huge numbers. Cruz, Beckham, and Vereen? 35 TDs is the floor, I believe.

[edjr 6,580]

I was going to wait and take RGKnee and Eli

[NewbieJr 541]

I was going to wait and take RGKnee and Eli

I'm looking to wait and grab Eli and Tannehill

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I'm taking Luck first chance I get. I'm either picking 1 or 3.

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm taking Luck first chance I get. I'm either picking 1 or 3.

I hope someone in my league does that. And I hope they take Rodgers real early too.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I hope someone in my league does that. And I hope they take Rodgers real early too.

I don't follow the herd. I did 3 WR's in 2008 before it became fashionable. Was doing zero RB's before that. Why have a team constructed just like everyone else's? Then it's just about injuries. I would never take more than 1 RB in my first 4 picks.