must own handcuff

[bobby heenan 60]

In this day and age of FF you can say that any guy who is a clear #2 is ownable ....as far as a must own? Depends what ur looking for...., guys like Davis and mathews are going to make decent flex plays some weeks or sneaky starts ....other guys only have true value if a starter goes down(like a starks ...keep in mind lacy is a helmet to helmet from being a nightmare)....other guys have a shot to take a job because the "starter" isn't entrenched and could falter .....depends on what angle u wanna play

[himmystyles 30]

I handcuffed both Jeremy hill and andre Ellington with Bernard and johnson but we have very limited bench spots (4) so will not be likely I can keep both cuffed (johnson obviously will be more expendable). Its tough taking a high value cuff like bernard Bc u would never start him. Knowing my luck the moment I drop johnson Ellington goes down

[LunaTick 30]

For me a must own handcuff is someone that is valuable regardless of the RB1 situation.

Ideally speaking, you could play both in the same game and get somewhere between 15-20 combined.

Whether in a pinch, or not.

 

There are truly only a couple of good ones every year.

 

However, when thinking of examples of this. Most are really RB duo's. Not true handcuffs.

Warrick Dunn and Mike Alstot

Reggie Bush and Joquie Bell - 2013

 

RBBC situations, like what currently exists in Cleveland isn't fitting this.

 

Mess that is in Dallas or Buffalo or Tennessee or Denver or Detroit isn't fitting into a handcuff. Rather is it hoping your choice becomes the RB1 for most of the season in the meaningful way.

 

Best Examples of this now is

 

TIER ONE (RB Duo, both players worth starting weekly)

Charles vs Davis: The only one truly worthy to have.

Hill vs Bernard (talked into it,

 

Tier Two

Lacy vs Starks. Only other one you can truly make a legitimate argument for, as a handcuff.

 

TIER Three - value here. but nothing tha should affect bid prices.

Murray vs Mathews

Morris vs Jones (almost belongs in the mess above, but Morris has been legit while Jones is the current heir beware)

Peterson vs McKinnon

Lynch vs Turbin

 

I think none other exists.

 

There are RBBC situations worthy of considerations.

Sproles & PHI RB1

Spiller & NO other RB

BAL PPR RB & Forsett

Denver Committee

[cmh6476 1,059]

I got Knile Davis and named my team Jamaal's Knile Long Johnson

[hotgumbo1 12]

Matt Jones in Washington is a tweak away from unleashing his greatness.

[FlyPattern 0]

I got Knile Davis and named my team Jamaal's Knile Long Johnson

Makes totally no sense.

[himmystyles 30]

For me a must own handcuff is someone that is valuable regardless of the RB1 situation.

Ideally speaking, you could play both in the same game and get somewhere between 15-20 combined.

Whether in a pinch, or not.

 

There are truly only a couple of good ones every year.

 

However, when thinking of examples of this. Most are really RB duo's. Not true handcuffs.

Warrick Dunn and Mike Alstot

Reggie Bush and Joquie Bell - 2013

 

RBBC situations, like what currently exists in Cleveland isn't fitting this.

 

Mess that is in Dallas or Buffalo or Tennessee or Denver or Detroit isn't fitting into a handcuff. Rather is it hoping your choice becomes the RB1 for most of the season in the meaningful way.

 

Best Examples of this now is

 

TIER ONE

Charles vs Davis: The only one truly worthy to have.

Lacy vs Starks. Only other one you can truly make a legitimate argument for, as a handcuff.

 

TIER TWO - value here. but nothing tha should affect bid prices.

Murray vs Mathews

Morris vs Jones (almost belongs in the mess above, but Morris has been legit while Jones is the current heir beware)

Peterson vs McKinnon

Lynch vs Turbin

 

I think none other exists.

 

There are RBBC situations worthy of considerations. But these are the gu

Sproles & PHI RB1

Spiller & NO other RB

BAL PPR RB & Forsett

Denver Committee

You don't consider Gio a teir one handcuff for Jeremy hill owners? I mean, if you are saying they need to have standalone value.

[weepaws 3,261]

You don't consider Gio a teir one handcuff for Jeremy hill owners? I mean, if you are saying they need to have standalone value.

Agree with you he is

[LunaTick 30]

There is RBBC Duos vs RB Handcutts. (sometimes is tough to define, but apparent when you see it. Such as a Dunn/Alstot situation)

 

Davis is close to a Duo play in this regards.

 

But I think Hill and Gio are more RBBC Duos than handcuffs.

 

I did neglect to include them in this grouping I will make that correction.

 

I conceed and changed my mind. Updating my original post above.

[wizbang 10]

I have a few rules: only handcuff a first round pick and only do so if there is a clear and talented backup. With limited roster space it's too limiting to keep multiple RBs from the same team. Your overall upside takes a hit.

 

There are only 4 guys who meet that criteria. In order:

 

1. Hillman - he looks better than Davis to me and is in a higher scoring offense.

2. Davis - a close second.

3. Matthews - a wild card since he's never stayed healthy and they have Sproles to share the load.

4. DeAngelo Williams - would be higher if he were younger but I think he still has enough left to be really good.

 

I wouldn't draft any other RB for the purpose of handcuffing. You're better off taking backups you think could be great regardless of who owns the assumed starter or head of the RBBC.

[weepaws 3,261]

I think Bernard is a great one especially in ppr leagues and I disagree about D Williams once Bell comes back Williams will be sitting on the Steelers sideline and even if he playes and I know he will the first two games I don't expect much from him .

[American Chewy 98]

I think Bernard is a great one especially in ppr leagues and I disagree about D Williams once Bell comes back Williams will be sitting on the Steelers sideline and even if he playes and I know he will the first two games I don't expect much from him .

 

the problem is, like I stated earlier, is he is too expensive to handcuff and I don't think hill is enough of an injury risk to pay that price. I agree gio has stand alone value in ppr and should be drafted as such (flex starter). but handcuff? as a hill owner I'd rather draft a woodhead or a strong 3rd wr for my flex than reach for a guy from the same team.

[American Chewy 98]

one that hasn't been mentioned is helu. if I was a lat murray owner I'd want to have him. he can be had for cheap and I think he could be RB2 level (esp in ppr) if murray went down for some games.

[American Chewy 98]

to summarize a handcuff for me, the situation needs to be an injury-risk high investment player, like a 1-3rd round player and a backup who you believe will put up at least 75% of the starters value.

 

situations that fit that:

Charles---K.Davis

Anderson---Hillman

D.Murray---Mathews

 

to a lessor extent:

L.Murray---Helu

 

When I had my draft a few weeks ago I had McCoy-fjax on there. can't say I have confidence in the bills #2 now.

 

Everyone else would be more of a lottery ticket or timeshare situation if the starter went down/lost the job and therefore doesn't necessarily require a handcuff unless you have really deep benches.

[weepaws 3,261]

Matt Jones

David Johnson

[GornFishin' 57]

3. Matthews - a wild card since he's never stayed healthy and they have Sproles to share the load.

 

Ryan Mathews played a full season in 2013 and before that missed about 10 games over 3 years. Last season was actually more of an anomaly than the norm.

 

"Never stayed healthy" is erroneous hyperbole.

[DaBeerz 88]

Knile Davis ypc dropped last year. West would steal touches from him

 

His YPC is the exact same as it was in 2013. Where do you get this information from?

[Flgatorguy87 160]

I think K. Williams could be sneaky now that Fred is gone

[svtballa 8]

Karl's Williams no doubt

[svtballa 8]

Karlos

[Texas10 15]

I've yet to see Karlos play, does he join Knile as a must have handcuff or is it still Knile at the top for most lists?

[DaBeerz 88]

I've yet to see Karlos play, does he join Knile as a must have handcuff or is it still Knile at the top for most lists?

 

I think if you have Shady and the roster space, I'd make picking up Williams a priority.