Dem Debate

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Anyone watch?

 

O'Malley did well. I'm not sure there's a ton of substance behind it but superficially he came off very well. If he'd gotten media attention earlier I think we'd be talking about this as if it were a three way race.

 

Clinton did well too. Pains me to say it but she did. Looked bad on Wall Street influence but I think that'll roll off her. Iraq war is her biggest liability and I think that's finally put to bed.

 

Sanders has peaked. It's too bad because I like him, but I just can't see him expanding his support at this point.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

Fawking sad. They did it on a Saturday night when they knew nobody would watch. Dumb and dumber.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Fawking sad. They did it on a Saturday night when they knew nobody would watch. Dumb and dumber.

Yeah that was dumb as hell. Don't you want people to watch your debate??

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Yeah that was dumb as hell. Don't you want people to watch your debate??

A year out from the election? Probably not. All they can do is hurt themselves at this point.

[KSB2424 3,173]

I flipped over to it last night and after a minute of listening I had to recheck the channel to ensure I wasn't watching SNL.

 

I was waiting for Sanders to look into the camera and say "Live from New Tork it's..." at any moment.

[KSB2424 3,173]

But seriously,

 

O'Mally seems reasonable, there is just something missing with him. He has awful communication skills and seemed odd.

 

I was actually impressed with Bernie. He can hold court and commands a room. He's just to far left to win a general election. He wants to scrap Obamacare and have Medicare for all, everybody. 15 dollar minimum wage. Free College. Free Everything. It ain't happening Bernie. I appreciate the passion though.

 

And Hillary was Hillary. She's going to win the nomination in a landslide once the rubber meets the road.

 

I won't be voting for any of them. If Joe Biden was there I'd actually be open to him. I like Uncle Joe. I'd most certainly would've voted for Biden over a Trump or Carson or Cruz.

 

But theses three appeal zero to me.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I like when they go after Wall Street and the Banks. Hillary is mostly FOS on that. She may tax them a little more, but she won't regulate them, which is the big prize for them. Her plan will never see the light of day, and she knows it. Bernie had the line of the night when he said" We bailed out Wall Street and the Banks, now it's their turn to bail us out". But then they start on the social stuff and I'm done. The world turns fast, as is evidenced by what happened in Paris the day before. Still saying we are going to take in refugees is just stupid. I don't want to see babies washing up on shore either, but this isn't our part of the world. I doubt Europe would be opening up their doors if there was a Mexican refugee crisis.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I like when they go after Wall Street and the Banks. Hillary is mostly FOS on that. She may tax them a little more, but she won't regulate them, which is the big prize for them. Her plan will never see the light of day, and she knows it. Bernie had the line of the night when he said" We bailed out Wall Street and the Banks, now it's their turn to bail us out". But then they start on the social stuff and I'm done. The world turns fast, as is evidenced by what happened in Paris the day before. Still saying we are going to take in refugees is just stupid. I don't want to see babies washing up on shore either, but this isn't our part of the world. I doubt Europe would be opening up their doors if there was a Mexican refugee crisis.

We started the whole damn thing with that stupid Iraq war though. Don't you think we bear some responsibility for the refugee crisis? And if so, why shouldn't we help by taking some of them in?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

We started the whole damn thing with that stupid Iraq war though. Don't you think we bear some responsibility for the refugee crisis? And if so, why shouldn't we help by taking some of them in?

I felt that way before Friday. Send them money, food, ships ect, but I'm sorry, it's too much of a risk. Yes, dumbass Bush and his neo-cons caused a lot of this, but that's history now. We have to deal with what's in front of us.

[fandandy 3,313]

I liked how doofus O'Malley said he wants to bring in 65,000 refugees. Of course he thinks our government is competent enough to appropriately vet them. Something the FBI says is impossible btw. He compared 65,000 refugees to an additional 6.5 people in a baseball stadium with 32,000 people in it. It was an odd analogy to use the day after a soccer stadium is attacked by one or two jihadists. We all know our incompetent government will allow them in but I think it's a horrible idea. ISIS is saying publicly that they are sending thousands of jihadists in with the refugees. They are on record saying that.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I liked how doofus O'Malley said he wants to bring in 65,000 refugees. Of course he thinks our government is competent enough to appropriately vet them. Something the FBI says is impossible btw. He compared 65,000 refugees to an additional 6.5 people in a baseball stadium with 32,000 people in it. It was an odd analogy to use the day after a soccer stadium is attacked by one or two jihadists. We all know our incompetent government will allow them in but I think it's a horrible idea. ISIS is saying publicly that they are sending thousands of jihadists in with the refugees. They are on record saying that.

Of course they're saying that. They don't want us taking in refugees because then we look like the good guys

[fandandy 3,313]

Of course they're saying that. They don't want us taking in refugees because then we look like the good guys

 

I think this is far beyond us looking good or bad. We are fighting an ideology that is only gaining strength across the globe. Bringing in 10,000 or 65,000 or whatever that number might end up being is an extremely dangerous idea. I think it puts us all at risk. This is an interesting article from the Atlantic. I am unsure if you put them in the same class as Breitbert.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[mighty_thor 115]

I won't be voting for any of them. If Joe Biden was there I'd actually be open to him. I like Uncle Joe. I'd most certainly would've voted for Biden over a Trump or Carson or Cruz.

 

But theses three appeal zero to me.

I'd take Romney or Biden over any candidate of either party. Just horrible candidates.

[rholio 339]

I'd take Romney or Biden over any candidate of either party. Just horrible candidates.

True.

[Saint Elistan 106]

I thought O'Malley did really well. He really laid into Hillary a few times. I wasn't a fan of how the Moderator kept trying to steer Hillary and Bernie into attacking each other with loaded questions. Bernie has the right ideas but even standing next to Hillary he's starting to sound robotic. We know your platform, bro, stop answering everything like you're at a Campaign Speech. As much as I want to see Bernie in the White House, this is still Hillary's nomination to lose. I'm at least thankful that he's forcing Hillary to to left on many of the campaign issues. In that regard, he's already won. Maybe he does wind up as the VP. Who knows.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I think this is far beyond us looking good or bad. We are fighting an ideology that is only gaining strength across the globe. Bringing in 10,000 or 65,000 or whatever that number might end up being is an extremely dangerous idea. I think it puts us all at risk. This is an interesting article from the Atlantic. I am unsure if you put them in the same class as Breitbert.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

That's an odd response from you, do we have some posting history I don't know about or something? I hardly even recognize your username

 

Anyway I certainly recognize there is a legitimate concern so your attacks are unfounded. It's a tough problem with no easy solution

[fandandy 3,313]

Did I attack you? If so, my sincerest apologies.

[Voltaire 5,491]

I thought O'Malley did really well. He really laid into Hillary a few times. I wasn't a fan of how the Moderator kept trying to steer Hillary and Bernie into attacking each other with loaded questions. Bernie has the right ideas but even standing next to Hillary he's starting to sound robotic. We know your platform, bro, stop answering everything like you're at a Campaign Speech. As much as I want to see Bernie in the White House, this is still Hillary's nomination to lose. I'm at least thankful that he's forcing Hillary to to left on many of the campaign issues. In that regard, he's already won. Maybe he does wind up as the VP. Who knows.

The Dems need somebody young as VP. The governor pipeline is broken, the bench isn't there.

[gocolts 300]

I liked how doofus O'Malley said he wants to bring in 65,000 refugees. Of course he thinks our government is competent enough to appropriately vet them. Something the FBI says is impossible btw. He compared 65,000 refugees to an additional 6.5 people in a baseball stadium with 32,000 people in it. It was an odd analogy to use the day after a soccer stadium is attacked by one or two jihadists. We all know our incompetent government will allow them in but I think it's a horrible idea. ISIS is saying publicly that they are sending thousands of jihadists in with the refugees. They are on record saying that.

Something I am getting sick and tired of, is folks claiming folks who are concerned about bringing these refugees here must be bigots or some other nonsense.

 

You do not lock the front door of your house because you HATE the folks outside. You lock it because you LOVE the people inside.

[fandandy 3,313]

Something I am getting sick and tired of, is folks claiming folks who are concerned about bringing these refugees here must be bigots or some other nonsense.

 

You do not lock the front door of your house because you HATE the folks outside. You lock it because you LOVE the people inside.

 

Agreed. Feeding a homeless man is a good deed. Bringing the same man to your house and leaving him alone with your wife and kids as you go off to work is insanity.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Something I am getting sick and tired of, is folks claiming folks who are concerned about bringing these refugees here must be bigots or some other nonsense.

Has anyone said that here? Link?

[gocolts 300]

Has anyone said that here? Link?

Not 100% sure, but I thought I read it here on more than one occasion, just did not take the time to look. I have seen it countless times on social media as I am sure you have as well.

 

It does not matter though. I just wanted to explain why it is reasonable for folks to want our borders closed. It does not mean you hate certain races of folks. It simple means you want to keep us and the ones we love, safe.

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Not 100% sure, but I thought I read it here on more than one occasion, just did not take the time to look. I have seen it countless times on social media as I am sure you have as well.

 

It does not matter though. I just wanted to explain why it is reasonable for folks to want our borders closed. It does not mean you hate certain races of folks. It simple means you want to keep us and the ones we love, safe.

 

I've actually never seen anyone say that, here or on "social media." Then again I don't visit right-wing rage fit sites that seek that stuff out

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I've actually never seen anyone say that, here or on "social media." Then again I don't visit right-wing rage fit sites that seek that stuff out

It's all ove Facebook.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It's all ove Facebook.

You must have retarded Facebook friends. Most of mine are liberals and yet I have seen nothing of the sort.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

You must have retarded Facebook friends. Most of mine are liberals and yet I have seen nothing of the sort.

It's not usually people I actually know. It's if you click on a picture someone shared and look at the random sh!t random people posted.

 

I've been arguing with them relentlessly all day yesterday. (I spent 8 hours on various forms of transit yesterday, so i was bored.)

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It's not usually people I actually know. It's if you click on a picture someone shared and look at the random sh!t random people posted.

 

I've been arguing with them relentlessly all day yesterday. (I spent 8 hours on various forms of transit yesterday, so i was bored.)

Oh well then no wonder. It's mostly dumbasses of all stripes that comment on that stuff (no offense )

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

The first, and most important job of our elected leaders is safety. The people will give great leeway to those in charge to partake in actions to meet that goal. Now, after 9/11, our government could have done whatever it wanted. Unfortunately, GWB and the neo-cons were in charge then, and they screwed the pooch with this nation building nonsense. the Democrats better realize they need to pivot on this, or they will not win. And god knows who the Republicans nominate, but if they convince the people that they are the ones to keep us safe, and the Democrats won't, they will win.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Oh well then no wonder. It's mostly dumbasses of all stripes that comment on that stuff (no offense )

When I see some dumbass sh!t like "pray for Isis, only light can defeat evil" MEMEs, I have to click and see what they say. I mean nobody can be that Naive and stupid right?

 

Then I point out that napalm produces a whole lot of light.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I will also say that I am willing to pay more for gas and oil. It's time to bring Saudi Arabia to heel. This is their mess if it's anyone's. If those that came before me could do without during ww2, so can I.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

The first, and most important job of our elected leaders is safety. The people will give great leeway to those in charge to partake in actions to meet that goal. Now, after 9/11, our government could have done whatever it wanted. Unfortunately, GWB and the neo-cons were in charge then, and they screwed the pooch with this nation building nonsense. the Democrats better realize they need to pivot on this, or they will not win. And god knows who the Republicans nominate, but if they convince the people that they are the ones to keep us safe, and the Democrats won't, they will win.

If I am a GOP strategerist (to borrow a bushism) I play the pic of Hilary shaking OBL's hand, and sound bytes of her saying we should admit refugees all day every day until Election Day.

 

If I were a republican nominee, I would be funding a refugee camp out of my own pocket. Hell, open one on America. Soil even. I mean Puerto Rico, Diego Garcia, Saipan, Guam, the us marshal or U.S. Virgin Islands, Guantanamo bay, or one of the other faraway sh!tholes that are American soil.

 

Hell, I hear the alutian islands are beautiful.

 

Game over. The left is about to find that there is a limit to how much "equality" and happy feel good nonsense the American voter will swallow.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

If I am a GOP strategerist (to borrow a bushism) I play the pic of Hilary shaking OBL's hand, and sound bytes of her saying we should admit refugees all day every day until Election Day.

 

If I were a republican nominee, I would be funding a refugee camp out of my own pocket. Hell, open one on America. Soil even. I mean Puerto Rico, Diego Garcia, Saipan, Guam, the us marshal or U.S. Virgin Islands, Guantanamo bay, or one of the other faraway sh!tholes that are American soil.

 

Hell, I hear the alutian islands are beautiful.

 

Game over. The left is about to find that there is a limit to how much "equality" and happy feel good nonsense the American voter will swallow.

 

TBBOM you seem to be falling into that camp of uneducated rubes. I'm sorry to see that.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillarybinladen.asp

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

TBBOM you seem to be falling into that camp of uneducated rubes. I'm sorry to see that.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillarybinladen.asp

 

Since when does a pic need to be true?. Let some super Pac make hay with it.

 

Honestly, I thought the pic was legit, but out of context. At one time, OBL was a legit member of the Saudi establisment wasn't he? I figured the pic was back before he became a Jihadist or something.

 

But my point is still valid.

 

But I think this wave of refugees is an issue that the Republicans can take advantage of. The VAST majority of Americans want no part of it.

 

We are happy to donate money and food to help these people.

 

Hell, I think you would even find a growing majority willing, preferably as a member of a muiltinational coalition, to go over there and stomp ISIS into a puddle of goo and resore (albeit temporarilt) stability to Syria.

 

But let them move here? When ISIS openly admits that their agents are in the crowd? Fock no. Americans ain't happy about that. And Hillary and Bernie can talk about bigotry and religion of peace all they want. DOesn't matter..

 

Are 95% of Muslims good people? Probably.

 

But thes nuts didn't gain power because they are unpopular, The people agree with their ultimate aims and goals.

 

And as facebook points out, only 7% of Germans in 1940 were Nazis. Still needed their asses kicked.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I never said I believed the pic was legit or meant anything. I merely said it was effective. Let some super Pac make hay with it.

 

But I think this wave of refugees is an issue that the Republicans can take advantage of. The VAST majority of Americans want no part of it.

 

We are happy to donate money and food to help these people.

 

Hell, I think you would even find a growing majority willing, preferably as a member of a muiltinational coalition, to go over there and stomp ISIS into a puddle of goo and resore (albeit temporarilt) stability to Syria.

 

But let them move here? When ISIS openly admits that their agents are in the crowd? Fock no. Americans ain't happy about that. And Hillary and Bernie can talk about bigotry and religion of peace all they want. DOesn't matter..

 

Are 95% of Muslims good people? Probably.

 

But thes nuts didn't gain power because they are unpopular, The people agree with their ultimate aims and goals.

 

And as facebook points out, only 7% of Germans in 1940 were Nazis. Still needed their asses kicked.

I think you'll see Hillary take a much more militant approach going forward. Hell she is part neocon at heart.

 

Bernie Sanders was surprisingly aggressive at the debate, can't recall exactly what he said but it was clear he would go after ISIS in a real way.

 

I get what you're saying though. Dems certainly can't run on Obummer's plan of half-ass air strikes and hoping for the best

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Sanders and O'Taxie don't want the job. What a waste these debates are.

[tanatastic 2,062]

So this was basically Hilarys segment?

[hoytdwow 202]

Sanders is playing the same role as Ron Paul has in previous elections, just getting issues on the table. He likely knows he can't win and is just trying to push Hillary to the left on various things. O'Malley can't win and isn't really serving any purpose. He's just wasting money at this point. No idea what he's thinking.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Sanders is playing the same role as Ron Paul has in previous elections, just getting issues on the table. He likely knows he can't win and is just trying to push Hillary to the left on various things. O'Malley can't win and isn't really serving any purpose. He's just wasting money at this point. No idea what he's thinking.

You are dead right on Sanders. He only cares about 3 issues and is only in the race to get them noticed. Hillary is ripe for the plucking on many issues while being SOS and he won't address them because he doesn't want to press her prior to the election. Dog and pony shows have more substance.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

Yeah that was dumb as hell. Don't you want people to watch your debate??

 

If you wanted people to watch your debate, you do it during the week. Not on a Saturday night where TV ratings are traditionally the lowest. And the majority of people who watched that debate are those who vote democrat. I'm sure had it been on a week night, more people would have watched.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Sanders is playing the same role as Ron Paul has in previous elections, just getting issues on the table. He likely knows he can't win and is just trying to push Hillary to the left on various things. O'Malley can't win and isn't really serving any purpose. He's just wasting money at this point. No idea what he's thinking.

O'Malley is in to raise his national stature for some future play. Maybe even VP but at least a cushy diplomatic appointment