Mungwater 588 Posted November 24, 2015 At least it will increase oil and nat gas prices! But not good for friends who are still in.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted November 24, 2015 At least it will increase oil and nat gas prices! Sure hope not, using a localized conflict to hurt average people is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted November 24, 2015 In Putin's Russia, Turkey shoot you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,092 Posted November 24, 2015 Sure hope not, using a localized conflict to hurt average people is wrong. Just looking at the bright side my brother...........not hoping! It could be argued that $65 oil helps this country and Canada more than $39 oil but I am not hoping for war. However, it seems likely in a region that has been at war for 2000 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 24, 2015 No one will do anything to Russia, for the same reason Iran and China get away with everything. Because they are strong. The West only has the stomach to push weak countries around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,564 Posted November 24, 2015 Just looking at the bright side my brother...........not hoping! It could be argued that $65 oil helps this country and Canada more than $39 oil but I am not hoping for war. However, it seems likely in a region that has been at war for 2000 years. You're in the business so its understandable but high oil prices helps the assmeg countries on the planet, low prices help the US. Your personal situation runs counter to the rest of the country. Not that there's anything wrong with that. US/Canada oil and gas serve as a great counterweight to prevent vulnerability against OPEC (which is dominated by global a$$hole countries). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 818 Posted November 24, 2015 Putin is already one of the greatest criminals in the world... robbing Russia's wealth for decades, nationalizing corporations, and murdering political enemies. If Russia's situation ever got dire enough (probably from Putln going too far), he's crazy enough to try to take the world down with him. There's a famous story Putin used to tell about his childhood growing up in an impoverished Leningrad apartment and how he learned that a cornered prey can be dangerous and unpredictable. “Once I spotted a huge rat and pursued it down the hall until I drove it into a corner,” Putin recounted. “It had nowhere to run. Suddenly it lashed around and threw itself at me. I was surprised and frightened. Now the rat was chasing me.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 24, 2015 Exactly. So how do we prevent getting pulled into another BS war in the middle east without giving a big FU to France, Germany and the UK? We don't, we just try to keep boots off the ground Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted November 24, 2015 Sounds like we supplied the weapons that took down the Russian chopper which was searching for the pilots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 24, 2015 Sounds like we supplied the weapons that took down the Russian chopper which was searching for the pilots. I bet Obummer personally delivered it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted November 24, 2015 I bet Obummer personally delivered it I'm not saying that. I just worry about this getting ugly...er. I think arming "moderates" is a bad idea personally. I also think trying to overthrow another government in the ME is crazy, but surprisingly the President hasn't been asking for my advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted November 24, 2015 We don't, we just try to keep boots off the ground Eventually they'll be there too, not until the next election, but I bet soon after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 24, 2015 Eventually they'll be there too, not until the next election, but I bet soon after. Because it went so well last time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted November 25, 2015 No one will do anything to Russia, for the same reason Iran and China get away with everything. Because they are strong. The West only has the stomach to push weak countries around. Maybe try a thread were Russia actually did get away with anything. They didn't this time. hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 25, 2015 Maybe try a thread were Russia actually did get away with anything. They didn't this time. hthI didn't say they did, cornholio. I just said no one is going to do anything to stop what they're doing in Syria/turkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 360 Posted November 25, 2015 So- the Russian fighter jet may have been in a turkey airspace for? Maybe one to 2 minutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted November 25, 2015 I didn't say they did, cornholio. I just said no one is going to do anything to stop what they're doing in Syria/turkey Again, a thread where someone shot down a Russian fighter seems an odd place to claim "no one is going to do anything". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 25, 2015 Again, a thread where someone shot down a Russian fighter seems an odd place to claim "no one is going to do anything".It's at least the second time Russtard has done it...saber rattling abounds re. Turkey/NATO's clout. They will do nothing. Russia will continue to thumb its nose at the west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted November 25, 2015 So- the Russian fighter jet may have been in a turkey airspace for? Maybe one to 2 minutes? Maybe just 17 seconds, if it even crossed into Turkish airspace. https://www.rt.com/news/323343-turkey-un-syria-russian-plane/ Obviously this is RT though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted November 25, 2015 It's at least the second time Russtard has done it...saber rattling abounds re. Turkey/NATO's clout. They will do nothing. Russia will continue to thumb its nose at the west. How does the fact they've actually done something fit into your theory they will do nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 25, 2015 How does the fact they've actually done something fit into your theory they will do nothing?If you could stop being obtuse for about 2 seconds, the issue is that no one will do anything to make Russia stop focking around in Syria, and pretty much anywhere else they choose to fock around. Get it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 25, 2015 If you could stop being obtuse for about 2 seconds, the issue is that no one will do anything to make Russia stop focking around in Syria, and pretty much anywhere else they choose to fock around. Get it? You mean nobody will do anything to the Russians besides killing them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 25, 2015 You mean nobody will do anything to the Russians besides killing them?You too, eh? Do you really think Russia's behavior will change because of this incident? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 25, 2015 You too, eh? Do you really think Russia's behavior will change because of this incident? Well, your posts seemed to imply that nobody was willing to do anything to stop Russia. I can't think of any realistic actions that equal doing more to stop them than actually killing Russians. But if the point of your posts are that Russia cannot be stopped no matter what, then that's a different tone than I believed you to be taking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 25, 2015 Well, your posts seemed to imply that nobody was willing to do anything to stop Russia. I can't think of any realistic actions that equal doing more to stop them than actually killing Russians. But if the point of your posts are that Russia cannot be stopped no matter what, then that's a different tone than I believed you to be taking. Ooooooo look at you. Sorry, just a runner-up award in the Obtuse-Off. Better luck next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted November 25, 2015 An interesting article: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/europe-is-harbouring-the-islamic-state-s-backers-d24db3a24a40#.eg1iudzeb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,564 Posted November 25, 2015 The silver lining is we learned for sure that Russian jets are easily taken out by F16s. That's nice to know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted November 25, 2015 Because it went so well last time? It was fine until the pullout, which if you go back, I was against. Drones are okay but won't win you a war. Diplomatic sanctions are okay but won't win you a war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rholio 339 Posted November 25, 2015 Well, your posts seemed to imply that nobody was willing to do anything to stop Russia. I can't think of any realistic actions that equal doing more to stop them than actually killing Russians. But if the point of your posts are that Russia cannot be stopped no matter what, then that's a different tone than I believed you to be taking. Pointing out the fighter jet sized hole in his theory = being obtuse. Don't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted November 25, 2015 Turkey is in the gravy now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted November 25, 2015 It was fine until the pullout, which if you go back, I was against. Drones are okay but won't win you a war. Diplomatic sanctions are okay but won't win you a war. Pullout too soon and you can make a baby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 25, 2015 It was fine until the pullout, which if you go back, I was against. Drones are okay but won't win you a war. Diplomatic sanctions are okay but won't win you a war. Fine until the pullout? Really? Thousands of us soldiers dead, tens of thousands more seriously wounded, trillions of dollars lost, and what we had nothing to show for it. Jesus, if that's your definition of "fine" I'd hate to see when things go poorly! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted November 25, 2015 Pullout too soon and you can make a baby Other way around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted November 25, 2015 Fine until the pullout? Really? Thousands of us soldiers dead, tens of thousands more seriously wounded, trillions of dollars lost, and what we had nothing to show for it. Jesus, if that's your definition of "fine" I'd hate to see when things go poorly! We had our power projection platform for Syria and the other parts of the region. Now we still have dijibouti. I know the numbers, lost friends, had my brother blown up by IEDs over there, you can't just leave the people until their police and military are properly trained, government established, etc. We left too early and here we are now. Sadly this is what happens when you leave too early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 25, 2015 We had our power projection platform for Syria and the other parts of the region. Now we still have dijibouti. I know the numbers, lost friends, had my brother blown up by IEDs over there, you can't just leave the people until their police and military are properly trained, government established, etc. We left too early and here we are now. Sadly this is what happens when you leave too early. We'd been there for a decade! How long were we supposed to stay? And are you confident that Iraq and Afghanistan would have EVER become totally self-sufficient? I think what you're talking about would have taken a generation or more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,564 Posted November 25, 2015 We should have babysat them forever apparently. We should have never stopped getting troops blown up refereeing these animals. How about we should have never invaded the second time? Had we left Saddan there, we could have saved all the money and unwasted troops lives playing USA World Police in the first place. And now they're blowing each other up. Who could have predicted that? Oh, that's right, lots of people including me. And it matters at all? No. Fock them let them blow each other up. That's how they are, it's not our problem. We don't need to do anything and their refugees can stay there and keep their backwards evil ass religion out of our countries. Piss off the lot of them. The enrire region isn't worth one drop of American blood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted November 25, 2015 We'd been there for a decade! How long were we supposed to stay? And are you confident that Iraq and Afghanistan would have EVER become totally self-sufficient? I think what you're talking about would have taken a generation or more We are in Germany and that ended 70 years ago. We are still in the south and southwest and those wars ended 150 years ago. Once you win, you stay, you don't leave. Nature of the business Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,319 Posted November 25, 2015 We are in Germany and that ended 70 years ago. We are still in the south and southwest and those wars ended 150 years ago. Once you win, you stay, you don't leave. Nature of the business There weren't people constantly killing our soldiers in Germany after WWII. Completely different scenario Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted November 25, 2015 Germany also wasn't a nation filled with two populations that wanted the other dead, and wasn't a land where democracy had never existed. Our problem is with our hubris, assuming we can go into a third-world sh*thole and magically make democracy prosper (especially when we are doing a terrible enough job with it at home). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,564 Posted November 25, 2015 German chicks are cute and don't wear the curtains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
