Another TD nullified, going the Pats way..

[Herbivore 916]

This.

 

I looked at this video hard, and I think that it's possible that his right toe is off the ground once he gains possession of the ball. I think it's even probable.

 

But that isn't the standard that is supposed to be used to overturn the call. It's supposed to be clear and obvious. This wasn't. This is highly debatable. All the toe has to be is touching the ground, and the ref in real time was sufficiently convinced that it was in order to call the TD.

 

And the replay officials should not be going into replay with the mindset that they're making the call themselves. They are going in to allow a call to stand, or to overturn with "clear and obvious" evidence.

 

There wasn't enough here.

After the toe scrape, which may or may not have been good, he moves the ball to his left hand and losses possession as he moves his right hand to the ground.

[Thornton Melon 549]

I know you are but, what am I....

 

 

Good Lord...

Yeah, one too many gin and tonics there. Sorry...Merry Christmas

[posty 2,314]

He's not commenting on the play. He's commenting on how the rule is applied. He points out they are not applying it correctly.

And he is always incorrect guessing the outcome of the rules that he supposedly knows, so how does he know if it applied correctly or not...

[Hardcore troubadour 12,928]

And he is always incorrect guessing the outcome of the rules that he supposedly knows, so how does he know if it applied correctly or not...

You're stupid. Merry Christmas though.

[joneo 532]

I was finally able to watch this controversial call. I'm a Vikings fan and truly have no dog in the fight. IN MY OPINION, this WAS a catch. His left foot touches his right foot which was on the ground ( an extension ) and should be a legal catch..IMO

[Cruzer 1,993]

I don't know what kind of focked up logic they applied to to overturn this - but they hosed the Bills.. That was a catch, that was a td.

[posty 2,314]

You're stupid. Merry Christmas though.

[posty 2,314]

His toe came off the ground before he secured the ball. It was close...actually surprised they overruled but was the correct call imo

I agree with this... When he finally brought the ball to his chest with his right hand, the toe was off the ground...

 

No TD...

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I was finally able to watch this controversial call. I'm a Vikings fan and truly have no dog in the fight. IN MY OPINION, this WAS a catch. His left foot touches his right foot which was on the ground ( an extension ) and should be a legal catch..IMO

There is no "extension" component to the rule. Both parts must touch the ground after control of the ball is achieved.

[joneo 532]

There is no "extension" component to the rule. Both parts must touch the ground after control of the ball is achieved.

 

OK.....but SHOULD be a catch IMO.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

OK.....but SHOULD be a catch IMO.

If so, then explain why.

[Reality 2,711]

This one was real simple, indisputable evidence didn't exist, call on the field stands.

 

The NFL needs to get it's house in order, these rogue officials making up calls on the run isn't good for the product.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

This one was real simple, indisputable evidence didn't exist, call on the field stands.

 

The NFL needs to get it's house in order, these rogue officials making up calls on the run isn't good for the product.

Rogue officials? It is the one guy in charge of all officials making the replay calls. He doesn't have the same standard of "clear" that you have.

[joneo 532]

If so, then explain why.

 

I haven't seen an angle the disputes the moment he "has possession". Where does it say a player has to pull the ball to the chest to establish possession?

[Reality 2,711]

Rogue officials? It is the one guy in charge of all officials making the replay calls. He doesn't have the same standard of "clear" that you have.

Yes, they need to get that guy under control. He's not following the rules, it's worse that he is in charge of all other refs...

 

This is obvious to folks who aren't personally invested in these calls.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

I haven't seen an angle the disputes the moment he "has possession". Where does it say a player has to pull the ball to the chest to establish possession?

It doesn't. However, he was bobbing the ball and did not have control until his foot was above the ground and then it came down out of bounds according to the head of officials. From the angle I saw, I agree with him

[posty 2,314]

This one was real simple, indisputable evidence didn't exist, call on the field stands.

 

The NFL needs to get it's house in order, these rogue officials making up calls on the run isn't good for the product.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,928]

I have no axe to grind either, as the team I support owns the Patriots. There wasn't clear evidence that it was or wasn't a catch. Under the NFLs own dictum, the call on the field should have held.

[Reality 2,711]

Dean Blandino, former VP of officiating telling us level headed folks what we already knew.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nfl/video/1123513923868%3famp=true

[joneo 532]

It doesn't. However, he was bobbing the ball and did not have control until his foot was above the ground and then it came down out of bounds according to the head of officials. From the angle I saw, I agree with him

 

Fair enough. I haven't seen that angle so

[drobeski 3,061]

I have no axe to grind either, as the team I support owns the Patriots. There wasn't clear evidence that it was or wasn't a catch. Under the NFLs own dictum, the call on the field should have held.

the pats own you and every other bitter fan of mediocrity

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Well, the referee, Craig Wrolstad stated the following when ask why the call was overturned and where there was "clear and obvious" proof.

 

On the Kelvin Benjamin overturned touchdown, what was the conclusive evidence to overturn the call?

 

When the receiver got confirmed control of the football, he was not able to get both feet down in bounds. So, his back foot was already off the ground and it stepped out of bounds. His firm control did not occur until after he had one foot off the ground.

 

On replay, did you feel that was clear and obvious?

 

It was clear and obvious that he did not have control of the ball until he brought it all the way down into his chest.

 

 

So at least the 2 key officials felt it was not a catch

[joneo 532]

Well, the referee, Craig Wrolstad stated the following when ask why the call was overturned and where there was "clear and obvious" proof.

 

 

So at least the 2 key officials felt it was not a catch

 

Can you hook me up with a link to the view of this? I can't find it.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

Can you hook me up with a link to the view of this? I can't find it.

It was from the pool report after the game, so it is likely in several sources.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/12/24/here-ref-explanation-for-controversial-replay-patriots-bills-game/Iz5JC6SkjxuI0KI1MQIwoM/story.html

[joneo 532]

It was from the pool report after the game, so it is likely in several sources.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/12/24/here-ref-explanation-for-controversial-replay-patriots-bills-game/Iz5JC6SkjxuI0KI1MQIwoM/story.html

 

I have to subscribe to this site to view. Got another link? TIA

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

I have to subscribe to this site to view. Got another link? TIA

Nope. I subscribe to the Globe, so that is where it came from. Google?

[joneo 532]

Google?

 

I can't find the view you describe.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

I can't find the view you describe.

Maybe you are retarded:

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/12/24/referee-craig-wrolstad-pool-report-overturned-kelvin-benjamin-touchdown

[joneo 532]

Maybe you are retarded:

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/12/24/referee-craig-wrolstad-pool-report-overturned-kelvin-benjamin-touchdown

 

Seriously, the link you provided does't show me a view of Benjamin bobbling the ball.

 

EDITED: I believe I see what you're talking about now, however I respectfully disagree.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,928]

the pats own you and every other bitter fan of mediocrity

Why would they own me? My team has two titles against them. Weird logic you're applying. The NY Football Giants are in the top tier of NFL franchises. A bit higher than mediocrity.

[Reality 2,711]

It's kind of weird that Pats thinks we need commentary from the refs that were involved. Yes, we realize they think they got the call right...

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It's kind of weird that Pats thinks we need commentary from the refs that were involved. Yes, we realize they think they got the call right...

 

Maybe because they know the rules better than you do.

[posty 2,314]

Dean Blandino, former VP of officiating telling us level headed folks what we already knew.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nfl/video/1123513923868%3famp=true

Definitely explains why he is the former VP of officiating...

[drobeski 3,061]

Why would they own me? My team has two titles against them. Weird logic you're applying. The NY Football Giants are in the top tier of NFL franchises. A bit higher than mediocrity.

no they are not they are next tier down below the great franchises. Pats on top by far. Factomundo

[Reality 2,711]

Maybe because they know the rules better than you do.

If there is any doubt play stands. Seems they don't.

 

They're just covering their rearend fella.

 

HTH

 

I'll expect an apology from the NFL soon.

[IMMensaMind 460]

Any non-Patriots fans thinking that call should have been reversed?

 

[Reality 2,711]

Any non-Patriots fans thinking that call should have been reversed?

 

This guy gets it.

[posty 2,314]

Any non-Patriots fans thinking that call should have been reversed?

 

I am not a fan of the Patriots and I think it was correct being reversed... He didn't have his toe down when he secured the ball...

[drobeski 3,061]

Any non-Patriots fans thinking that call should have been reversed?

 

exactly

[Hardcore troubadour 12,928]

Like I said, I'm about the only fan here who can be level headed about this. The Patriots have never negatively impacted my team about anything important. The call should have stood based on the clear and obvious standard set by the NFL.