kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Can he start to turn it around? It seems like his schedule gets better and Eli can't get worse right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byrdman5 104 Posted October 4, 2018 OBJ tends to start slow.. He will turn it on later in the year. what did u pay for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Rick's team Odell Beckham Jr. NYG - WR Andy Dalton Cin - QB Donte Moncrief Jax - WR Traded to Fornettes follies Chris Thompson Was - RB Quincy Enunwa NYJ - WR Jameis Winston TB - QB Ppr Superflex which basically means unless you have a stud rb/wr you play a qb there. He has Jackson and wants to stack Winston with him. Thompson has scored 20 a game in 2 of his 3 games but would slot in as a starter for him. Enwwa has been serviceable as a 3. I have Boyd and wanted that Dalton stack and I like objs schedule as we go. He starts facing good matchups it seems. If Moncrief breaks out that would be a nice way to flip for a rb too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 Can he start to turn it around? It seems like his schedule gets better and Eli can't get worse right? Sucker.......eli is scared of losing his health and very immobile. Do you think he can move like Mahomes or Watson..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted October 4, 2018 Seems like a buy low, sell low trade. At least you got the healthy end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Seems like a buy low, sell low trade. At least you got the healthy end. I was able to move some players that I was not really happy having. They all have warts. However I hate Winston. I ended up with him by default when someone dropped him after Fitzpatrick blew up. Thompson is so gameflow dependant that he is a risk each time he starts to either have 20 points or 0. Enewa is a great wr. But man the qb play is just not up to the level needed to support him. Also. They were all bench players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted October 4, 2018 I was able to move some players that I was not really happy having. They all have warts. However I hate Winston. I ended up with him by default when someone dropped him after Fitzpatrick blew up. Thompson is so gameflow dependant that he is a risk each time he starts to either have 20 points or 0. Enewa is a great wr. But man the qb play is just not up to the level needed to support him. Also. They were all bench players. As long as you have RB depth I think it's fine. I wasn't trying to imply you did poorly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 As long as you have RB depth I think it's fine. I wasn't trying to imply you did poorly. oh no. I was just kinda hashing it out. I have some rb depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEEZNUTS 18 Posted October 4, 2018 Just got OBJ for Kenny Golladay and Lamar Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 Just got OBJ for Kenny Golladay and Lamar Miller. Golladay May outperform OBJ this year. Stafford has time to find him. Eli doesn’t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpenceToons 70 Posted October 4, 2018 I have OBJ and was content to stick it out with him. But someone offered me Calvin Ridley and Matt Breida for him last night. While I think Beckham will continue to see more targets than Ridley, I think Ridley's ability to cut and get open is special. It's already resulted in a league-leading 6 touchdowns. The fact that he's working with Matt Ryan and not Eli Manning is a plus. I also like that defenses have to pay attention to Julio. It's a keeper league and if Ridley doesn't approach the high-end WR2 area this year, he may hit that level and beyond next year. The fact that Breida has a great matchup vs ARI Sunday is icing on the cake. If someone thinks I'm crazy for pulling the trigger on this trade, I'd love it if you spoke up. - - - - I think Kilroy got the better end of the deal as I see Beckham > Thompson and Dalton-Moncrief being arguably at least equivalent to Winston-Enunwa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted October 4, 2018 I have OBJ and was content to stick it out with him. But someone offered me Calvin Ridley and Matt Breida for him last night. While I think Beckham will continue to see more targets than Ridley, I think Ridley's ability to cut and get open is special. It's already resulted in a league-leading 6 touchdowns. The fact that he's working with Matt Ryan and not Eli Manning is a plus. I also like that defenses have to pay attention to Julio. It's a keeper league and if Ridley doesn't approach the high-end WR2 area this year, he may hit that level and beyond next year. The fact that Breida has a great matchup vs ARI Sunday is icing on the cake. If someone thinks I'm crazy for pulling the trigger on this trade, I'd love it if you spoke up. - - - - I think Kilroy got the better end of the deal as I see Beckham > Thompson and Dalton-Moncrief being arguably at least equivalent to Winston-Enunwa. Personally, I think it is a great time to buy OBJ, not sell. However, that is a very generous offer....which I would pull the trigger on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted October 4, 2018 I like that deal for you If you play 2 QBs you got a good deal switching Winston for Dalton Chris Thompson is good but not close to OBJ I don't know that OBJ will put up top 5 numbers but he will be a very strong starter for you and have some big weeks for sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted October 4, 2018 I'm going to say that OBJ still doesn't look healthy to me. Even when Eli gets him the ball he doesn't seem as fast or elusive as he did previously. I think the Giants may get it figured out when Engram returns and they have a the full compliment of weapons. But I really don't see Beckham finishing much higher than 8-10 in WR's at season end because that line is bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 I flipped him and hyde this morning for saquan Barkley. In that deal I did yesterday i really wanted dalton. Obj was not something I thought he would give up. Kinda shocked me he would trade him and he has name value. I might have overpaid. I might not have. Time will tell It still leaves me with T. Hill k.allen M.evans T.Boyd Moncrief Kotee Leaves me with Sandinmyvagina fornette Barkley Breida Carson Conor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 I flipped him and hyde this morning for saquan Barkley. In that deal I did yesterday i really wanted dalton. Obj was not something I thought he would give up. Kinda shocked me he would trade him and he has name value. I might have overpaid. I might not have. Time will tell It still leaves me with T. Hill k.allen M.evans T.Boyd Moncrief Kotee Leaves me with Sandinmyvagina fornette Barkley Breida Carson Conor Wow, your league likes to trade. No one wants to trade with me at all. I guess they are mad at me for trading My Ekeler for DJ. The trade was vetoed so I guess I have been blackballed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 I may be crazy but I proposed this trade... My OBJ Ekeler For His DFreeman (I hope healthy) Boyd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Wow, your league likes to trade. No one wants to trade with me at all. I guess they are mad at me for trading My Ekeler for DJ. The trade was vetoed so I guess I have been blackballed. because of the scoring system you can build a winning team in different ways. As a result of that we have typically around 25 trades a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Neil 63 Posted October 4, 2018 I offered Amari Cooper and Dion Lewis for OBJ in dynasty. Waiting to hear back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 I have OBJ and was content to stick it out with him. But someone offered me Calvin Ridley and Matt Breida for him last night. While I think Beckham will continue to see more targets than Ridley, I think Ridley's ability to cut and get open is special. It's already resulted in a league-leading 6 touchdowns. The fact that he's working with Matt Ryan and not Eli Manning is a plus. I also like that defenses have to pay attention to Julio. It's a keeper league and if Ridley doesn't approach the high-end WR2 area this year, he may hit that level and beyond next year. The fact that Breida has a great matchup vs ARI Sunday is icing on the cake. If someone thinks I'm crazy for pulling the trigger on this trade, I'd love it if you spoke up. - - - - I think Kilroy got the better end of the deal as I see Beckham > Thompson and Dalton-Moncrief being arguably at least equivalent to Winston-Enunwa. The question is.....how good is Breida and how badly do you need a 10 point RB. OBJ>Ridley but a much needed decent, not great, RB tips it in your favor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 I offered Amari Cooper and Dion Lewis for OBJ in dynasty. Waiting to hear back Interesting trade. I’m not a fan of Cooper but he did show some life recently, so maybe they are finding a way to get him open. Lewis should be much more productive as Mariota gets healthier so I like that. You did well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 Wow, your league likes to trade. No one wants to trade with me at all. I guess they are mad at me for trading My Ekeler for DJ. The trade was vetoed so I guess I have been blackballed. Thats a good veto. I am always in favor of letting guys value their own players and only veto if Is collusion or tanking. This would qualify as tanking to me. If it is not, I would classify under conduct detrimental to league integrity. Basically a dumbfock protection rule that prevents a moron or taco from causing unnecessary imbalance. A rule that should be very rarely implemented but in this case justified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 I offered Amari Cooper and Dion Lewis for OBJ in dynasty. Waiting to hear back Someone traded Mixon for Amari and Lewis in a ppr league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted October 4, 2018 Thats a good veto. I am always in favor of letting guys value their own players and only veto if Is collusion or tanking. This would qualify as tanking to me. If it is not, I would classify under conduct detrimental to league integrity. Basically a dumbfock protection rule that prevents a moron or taco from causing unnecessary imbalance. A rule that should be very rarely implemented but in this case justified. Gotta disagree with you on this one, tan. Because of their different team situations, Elk could end up outscoring DJ this season. Likely not.....but not unreasonable. I think that you would be falling for the old name recognition veto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 Thats a good veto. I am always in favor of letting guys value their own players and only veto if Is collusion or tanking. This would qualify as tanking to me. If it is not, I would classify under conduct detrimental to league integrity. Basically a dumbfock protection rule that prevents a moron or taco from causing unnecessary imbalance. A rule that should be very rarely implemented but in this case justified. So many guys blasted him on our message board so I asked him if he had second thoughts and now regrets making the trade. He said he did, so before it was even vetoed I assured him I would trade him back if it went through. Well, I didn’t have to because of the veto. But, I can see both sides of the argument. Ekeler started hot and was the talk of the town while DJ was languishing behind a bad OL and HC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 Gotta disagree with you on this one, tan. Because of their different team situations, Elk could end up outscoring DJ this season. Likely not.....but not unreasonable. I think that you would be falling for the old name recognition veto. By that same logic he could end up outscoring Gurley too. Gurley could get hurt and Legarrette Blount could outscore him as far as we know. Dede Westbrook could outscore Antonio Brown but I’ll bet your league would be pissed if the AB owner did that. It’s a slippery slope I know, I never veto anything. But in some cases, league integrity needs to be preserved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Thats a good veto. I am always in favor of letting guys value their own players and only veto if Is collusion or tanking. This would qualify as tanking to me. If it is not, I would classify under conduct detrimental to league integrity. Basically a dumbfock protection rule that prevents a moron or taco from causing unnecessary imbalance. A rule that should be very rarely implemented but in this case justified. I used it earlier this year in a 3 for 1 deal. 1 100 percent owned player for 100 percent a 95 and a 90. I vetoed it as being too off balance and I would do it again. They came back the week after with one that was closer. I look at it from every angle before I veto but this was just too far lopsided. Had this been in week 8 and not 2 I would have considered it player dumping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 I used it earlier this year in a 3 for 1 deal. 1 100 percent owned player for 100 percent a 95 and a 90. I vetoed it as being too off balance and I would do it again. They came back the week after with one that was closer. I look at it from every angle before I veto but this was just too far lopsided. Had this been in week 8 and not 2 I would have considered it player dumping.Story time. Last season, a team in first place traded Melvin Gordon, a top 5 guy for Tarik Cohen and Hogan coming off injury. Cohen hadn’t done anything in a month and Hogan not much either. I let the trade happen because Gordon owner wasn’t 0-6, he was in first place. Granted, it was moronic, but I let it happen. He missed the playoffs and cost himself a SURE title (I did the math). This guy is also a two time champ. He’s just not good at FF, gets lucky every year and never has to make meaningful roster decisions. The first one he makes, he blows up his whole season. We call this the Dylan rule now. Not tanking, not collusion, but too dumb to allow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 How would you evaluate this trade proposal...fair or not? OBJ and Breida For DFreeman and Boyd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 How would you evaluate this trade proposal...fair or not? OBJ and Breida For DFreeman and Boyd It’s a perfectly fine deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Its a perfectly fine deal. absolutely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 It’s a perfectly fine deal. Glad you said that...I honestly think I’ve been blackballed...i don’t think the other owners want me to get a solid RB to go along with my two stud WRs, stud TE, stud Kicker, and stud qb. They know my weakness is at RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 4, 2018 Glad you said that...I honestly think I’ve been blackballed...i don’t think the other owners want me to get a solid RB to go along with my two stud WRs, stud TE, stud Kicker, and stud qb. They know my weakness is at RB. That’s why voting systems are bad. Of course your opponents don’t want you to get better. They don’t want you trading from strength to shore up weakness. Why would they? Why would anyone be ok with their opposition getting stronger? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 995 Posted October 4, 2018 Thats why voting systems are bad. Of course your opponents dont want you to get better. They dont want you trading from strength to shore up weakness. Why would they? Why would anyone be ok with their opposition getting stronger? this. I am the commish in one league. I hold sole veto power. I have vetoed 2 in 4 year out of probably 100 trades. No crap. The league trades a lot based off the setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted October 4, 2018 That’s why voting systems are bad. Of course your opponents don’t want you to get better. They don’t want you trading from strength to shore up weakness. Why would they? Why would anyone be ok with their opposition getting stronger? Yep....that about sums it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackjohn 31 Posted October 5, 2018 Sent K. Hunt, Kupp, Olsen, and Hines for Julio, Mixon, and Njoku. Just because I needed a te this week. We shall see how that plays out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted October 5, 2018 Sent K. Hunt, Kupp, Olsen, and Hines for Julio, Mixon, and Njoku. Just because I needed a te this week. We shall see how that plays out...It's nice of you to help out another team like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites