DEMARYIUS THOMAS - Comeback on the horizon?

[stonewall 647]

Gotta admit, I really didn't think he would even be a consideration this season, after the achilles tear last year.....but he caught my attention in the week 4 preseason game the other night. Yes, he was probably playing against the Giants custodial staff, but went 8 of 9 for 87 yards and 2 TD's. It wasn't his stats that impressed me though, it was how sharp he looked coming in and out of cuts, and how healthy and motivated he looked.

Gordon played the same amount of drives and went 2 of 6 for 30 yards. We all know the hesitancy with Gordon, being a head-case and all, but with Gronk outta town, Edelman being entrenched in his role, Brady still slinging the rock, and the mad-genius Belicheck at the helm....stranger things have happened.

31 years old, healthy and well rested, a huge red zone target, on a fantastic team, and a proven commodity.....a guy might wanna snatch him up. Won't cost you a cent.

[AxeElf 787]

Waiver wire watch, for now, but if he has a role, it's probly just going to be as an end zone target.

I still think Phillip Dorsett is the other Patriots' WR to own.

[stonewall 647]

3 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Waiver wire watch, for now, but if he has a role, it's probly just going to be as an end zone target.

I still think Phillip Dorsett is the other Patriots' WR to own.

Perhaps....and I do not expect him to ever return to WR1 #'s obviously....but 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons between 2012-2016, and besides a month with Watson, hasn't played with a legit QB since Manning.

Interesting....just sayin'

[weepaws 3,202]

J Gordon is the one to own, he had Edelman. 

I think that D Thomas will be a limited classic patriots player. 

He will produce very little and not much else. 

I think the big play home run will be J Gordon. 

 

[AxeElf 787]

1 minute ago, stonewall said:

Perhaps....and I do not expect him to ever return to WR1 #'s obviously....but 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons between 2012-2016, and besides a month with Watson, hasn't played with a legit QB since Manning.

Interesting....just sayin'

Dunno if Brady is a legit QB any more.... just sayin'

[AxeElf 787]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

J Gordon is the one to own, he had Edelman. 

What is it that excites you about Josh Gordon?

Is it his 5 TDs in his last 22 NFL games?

Is it the 5.5 games per year he has averaged over the last four seasons?

Josh Gordon:  Ruining fantasy teams since 2014.

[stonewall 647]

6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Dunno if Brady is a legit QB any more.... just sayin'

I am not a Pats or Brady fan. In fact, I root against them every season. However, although not a fantasy relevant QB anymore, I would never say that he isn't legit....capable of supporting a startable FF WR or two....until he proves me wrong, of course.

[weepaws 3,202]

He’s going to be the best play maker at wr they have. 

He playes he’s going to produce, and he’s playing. 

I like players that produce, what say you?  

I don’t care what’s happen since 2014, down the stretch last season he was mostly a wr3. 

And that I like, I like drafting a wr4 that will produce wr3 numbers and possibly more. 

What say you?  

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

What is it that excites you about Josh Gordon?

Is it his 5 TDs in his last 22 NFL games?

Is it the 5.5 games per year he has averaged over the last four seasons?

Josh Gordon:  Ruining fantasy teams since 2014.

He's only ruining a fantasy team if he were drafted too high.  I took him as my WR5.  Any WR taken as a 5 can never to be said as "ruining" your fantasy team.

[AxeElf 787]

2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I like players that produce, what say you?  

Every player produces something; I like players who produce fantasy-relevant stats.  Do you think that 5 TDs in his last 22 games is acceptable fantasy production?  And half of those games and TDs were with the Patriots, in the same situation he's in now.  So what do you think is going to change?  And why won't Gordon either get suspended or simply choose to walk away after a few games, like he has every other season since 2013?

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Not a single mention of N’Keal Harry? Yeah he’s been hurt but he was their first round pick and supposedly he was turning heads in camp before getting hurt.

 

The only constant is Edelman. Based on it being the patriots and belicheck they’re impossible to predict I would wait to see how things shake out. 

[Ray_T 754]

honestly, I think the pats will be doing WR by committe (With the exception of Edelman)

I suspect there are certain routes that Demarius can run without worry about the achilles.    And hes fairly sure handed.    So I do think he is draftable, but there is still a lot of talent there.

I think while gordon is out he will be the WR2 or WR3 on this team.    Depending on how well he actually plays he may move up or down on the depth chart.

The one thing I'd say is:

Other than Edelman, it is difficult to predict who will put up numbers in this offense.

I suspect it will vary from week to week.

It may be worth your while to spend a late round pick on Demarius, but I wouldnt waste a top pick on him.

[stonewall 647]

1 minute ago, Ray_T said:

 

It may be worth your while to spend a late round pick on Demarius, but I wouldnt waste a top pick on him.

No doubt. I certainly am not recommending anything more than a last-round flier or free agent pick-up to watch a week or two.

Could pay....

[weepaws 3,202]

1 hour ago, AxeElf said:

Every player produces something; I like players who produce fantasy-relevant stats.  Do you think that 5 TDs in his last 22 games is acceptable fantasy production?  And half of those games and TDs were with the Patriots, in the same situation he's in now.  So what do you think is going to change?  And why won't Gordon either get suspended or simply choose to walk away after a few games, like he has every other season since 2013?

I already gave you the answer you need to help you with your own ff draft, your welcome, and I won’t even charge you. 

Hey good and luck. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Edelman is the guy.

Josh Gordon could be the other fantasy relevant guy. He drew a 30 yard PI in the preseason game plus a couple big catches. What he brings to the table is you can just throw it and hope he makes a play. Demariyus Thomas is not that same kind of guy. N’keal Harry may be but he’ll need more time. I think he’s basically backing up Gordon at this point.

Forget about Dorsett, you’ve seen about what he can do.

Think Demariyus is in the same camp. As actual football players they may be valuable contributors at times but as fantasy players they’ll be emergency fill ins at best.

[AxeElf 787]

28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Forget about Dorsett, you’ve seen about what he can do.

Yes, we've seen about what he can do, but it doesn't make me want to forget him.

He started off well last season, and then the Shiny New Toy came in for 11 games or so and kind of pushed Dorsett out of the limelight, but then Gordon flaked out as usual and Dorsett was really solid again in the last three games (including the playoffs).  In the games Gordon didn't play last season, Dorsett averaged 12.1 PPR ppg, which would have made him a top 25 WR last year if he'd maintained that average for 16 games.

Dorsett might take a backseat to Gordon in games Gordon plays again this year (maybe), but I don't trust Gordon to play any more than his four-season average of 5.5 games, so that leaves Dorsett as the Patriots' likely 2nd-leading fantasy WR for the season.

[sderk 1,040]

Released.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Lol we’re all wrong sometimes.

[weepaws 3,202]

Just goes to show you, that J Gordon is the one to own. 

[stonewall 647]

Knew it was a possibility, but am actually quite surprised after how good he looked the other night. All the Boston-area beat writers had him making the team easily.....Pats must know something we don't. Wonder who picks him up?

Yes, Weepaws,  I will now be moving Gordon back up a few notches.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, stonewall said:

Knew it was a possibility, but am actually quite surprised after how good he looked the other night. All the Boston-area beat writers had him making the team easily.....Pats must know something we don't. Wonder who picks him up?

Yes, Weepaws,  I will now be moving Gordon back up a few notches.

There’s talk he will come back. He isn’t subject to waivers so no one else can claim him. Meanwhile pats get to stash somebody until they can sneak him by waivers or put him on IR/ PUP

[AxeElf 787]

I really think they might do something like that with McCoy, too...  Sign him again on Monday to a lower contract just to save some money.

[JediMaster 20]

18 hours ago, weepaws said:

Just goes to show you, that J Gordon is the one to own. 

Until hes suspended or quits again...

[AxeElf 787]

21 minutes ago, JediMaster said:

Until hes suspended or quits again...

And even when he's playing, his 3 TDs in 11 games with the Patriots last year (and 5 TDs in his last 22 NFL games) is utterly underwhelming.

[stonewall 647]

Alrighty then....that was some shenanigans, but DT back in the fold. Looking like he will be the #3 with Edelman and Gordon, and with Gronk gone and Harry on IR, could be a serious TD maker. 

He seriously looked like the old DT the other night, fellers....If you have the room, better grab him while he's free.

With rookie N'Keal Harry (ankle) on IR to start the season, the Patriots' receiving corps is headed by Julian Edelman and Gordon, followed by Demaryius Thomas, Phillip Dorsett and Jakobi Meyers, Mike Reiss of ESPN.com reports.

[LaChup 233]

Any thoughts on O/U - How many times Gordon hits crack pipe before week 10? If I had to guess Over 8 seems about right.

[stonewall 647]

13 minutes ago, LaChup said:

Any thoughts on O/U - How many times Gordon hits crack pipe before week 10? If I had to guess Over 8 seems about right.

Which is exactly what makes the DT stash so enticing...

[LaChup 233]

I wouldn't be surprised if DT drops some rocks in front of Gordon's locker at some point this year.

[AxeElf 787]

I maintain that Phillip Dorsett is still the other Patriots WR to own.

[stonewall 647]

4 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

I maintain that Phillip Dorsett is still the other Patriots WR to own.

Perhaps. Time will tell.

But, I would recommend finding a place for DT on your squad that you drafted a 1st and 2nd round Def/K in. Even a healthy Dorsett can't hold an aged DT's jockstrap.

[AxeElf 787]

8 minutes ago, stonewall said:

But, I would recommend finding a place for DT on your squad that you drafted a 1st and 2nd round Def/K in. Even a healthy Dorsett can't hold an aged DT's jockstrap.

Nah, I'm pretty heavily invested in Julian Edelman across my leagues, I don't need to have one rogue Patriot WR in one of my most important leagues dividing my rooting interests.

Besides, I don't think Championships are won chasing performances from Week 4 of the preseason.

[stonewall 647]

6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Besides, I don't think Championships are won chasing performances from Week 4 of the preseason.

Nice try.

What was noteworthy about his preseason debut was that one of the decades best FF WR's is healthy and actually looked explosive. 

[weepaws 3,202]

From what I’ve seen, Harry being placed n ir is the reason D Thomas was resign. 

Im not seeing a reliable player that will make me feel comfortable starting him, I think he’ll be a lot like T Smith with the Saints last season. 

A lot of yawn , with a game of two of flash.  

Anyway it’s all luck, so let’s see. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

10 hours ago, weepaws said:

From what I’ve seen, Harry being placed n ir is the reason D Thomas was resign. 

Im not seeing a reliable player that will make me feel comfortable starting him, I think he’ll be a lot like T Smith with the Saints last season. 

A lot of yawn , with a game of two of flash.  

Anyway it’s all luck, so let’s see. 

You’ve been reading incorrectly. The plan was to put Harry on IR all along but they couldn’t do it until he was on the 53 man roster. So get him on the roster and put him on IR and then bring back DT who they had agreed to bring back all along and who didn’t have to go through waivers because of his veteran status.HTH

[DrG 103]

We all get a carried away with our own conjecture,  this thread as an example.

Small sample size but

last year DT looked like he wasn’t getting much separation through the games I saw but he was also playing w a limited qb. If he manages to stick w NE arguably a roster stash if you have a deep bench. Edelman is 31 and takes a beating and yes I have him and am watching DT but not rostering him. He still has good hands and is big bodied enough to have a few more years but I opine he needs to be paired with a more accurate web to have any value

[weepaws 3,202]

3 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You’ve been reading incorrectly. The plan was to put Harry on IR all along but they couldn’t do it until he was on the 53 man roster. So get him on the roster and put him on IR and then bring back DT who they had agreed to bring back all along and who didn’t have to go through waivers because of his veteran status.HTH

But if Harry wasn’t going on the ir D Thomas wouldn’t have been on the roster. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

50 minutes ago, weepaws said:

But if Harry wasn’t going on the ir D Thomas wouldn’t have been on the roster. 

 

No that is incorrect. DT wasn’t the last guy out. He was the one who didn’t have to clear waivers and thus couldn’t be picked up by another team

[weepaws 3,202]

Lol ok, now if Harry doesn’t end up on ir what happens to D Thomas?  

He would be the one let go off no question. 

So after they Cut Thomas and that is indeed what took place, and I’m sure they knew already that Harry was heading to the ir, and that they knew of all the WRs on their current roster Thomas was the only they would without question get back.  

So they didn’t cut any their wr, they cut the one they knew that would return, after Harry went on the ir. 

Now if Harry wasn’t hurt and wasn’t going to ir then Thomas wouldn’t be playing football in the nfl this season. 

No question about it. 

Thanks for the reply appreciated you. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

Lol ok, now if Harry doesn’t end up on ir what happens to D Thomas?  

He would be the one let go off no question. 

So after they Cut Thomas and that is indeed what took place, and I’m sure they knew already that Harry was heading to the ir, and that they knew of all the WRs on their current roster Thomas was the only they would without question get back.  

So they didn’t cut any their wr, they cut the one they knew that would return, after Harry went on the ir. 

Now if Harry wasn’t hurt and wasn’t going to ir then Thomas wouldn’t be playing football in the nfl this season. 

No question about it. 

Thanks for the reply appreciated you. 

Buddy, this makes no sense

[ralphster 274]

tiny hands is an alt troll account that doesnt have to make sense. you know that right?

DT flashed, I saw it too. He's got the same chance to produce as Josh Gordon does at this point.

Pats players other than Edelman and maybe Michel will score, but when is a toss up due to BB game planning. Excellent in best ball formats, not so much in regular leagues.