oldtimer 84 Posted October 10, 2019 I like to know how others approach this. Naturally most owners will sell high on a waiver wire type guy, or someone they drafted very late and they don't have the history to suggest they will maintain their current level of play. What about your studs though? When they are on an other-worldly roll, would you trade them if a crazy good offer comes in? I play mostly Dynasty, so I am looking at it from this perspective, however, it can be looked at in redraft or keeper as well. Normally I will not trade a player I consider to be a star, but an offer came in last night for one of my stud guys (Cook) that is impossible to ignore. Even if he keeps up this pace, which I believe he can, the offer was extremely solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted October 10, 2019 If the deal makes your team better you do it, if it doesn't you don't. I realize its is generally more nuanced than that, but when you break it down to the root, that's the only question you need to ask and answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 97 Posted October 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I like to know how others approach this. Naturally most owners will sell high on a waiver wire type guy, or someone they drafted very late and they don't have the history to suggest they will maintain their current level of play. What about your studs though? When they are on an other-worldly roll, would you trade them if a crazy good offer comes in? I play mostly Dynasty, so I am looking at it from this perspective, however, it can be looked at in redraft or keeper as well. Normally I will not trade a player I consider to be a star, but an offer came in last night for one of my stud guys (Cook) that is impossible to ignore. Even if he keeps up this pace, which I believe he can, the offer was extremely solid. To me it’s like any other trade, and I think dynasty makes this easier. All players, stud or not, tend to hover around career averages. I think a year like Cook is having could easily become a career year if he stays healthy...which is the other thing to consider here. If you like the return, I’d do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, oldtimer said: I like to know how others approach this. Naturally most owners will sell high on a waiver wire type guy, or someone they drafted very late and they don't have the history to suggest they will maintain their current level of play. What about your studs though? When they are on an other-worldly roll, would you trade them if a crazy good offer comes in? I play mostly Dynasty, so I am looking at it from this perspective, however, it can be looked at in redraft or keeper as well. Normally I will not trade a player I consider to be a star, but an offer came in last night for one of my stud guys (Cook) that is impossible to ignore. Even if he keeps up this pace, which I believe he can, the offer was extremely solid. With an offer for him on the table, you have to consider that this is Week 6, when Cook traditionally goes down for the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, AxeElf said: With an offer for him on the table, you have to consider that this is Week 6, when Cook traditionally goes down for the season. Nah. We've long passed that point. The offer is sound though. A top rookie WR (next season) from the Devy Draft, a top QB and a 1st round pick in the rookie draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,461 Posted October 10, 2019 If I think it would improve my team I would trade away a stud player. Learn a long time ago, don’t ever fall in love with any player, man will always let you down. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, weepaws said: If I think it would improve my team I would trade away a stud player. Learn a long time ago, don’t ever fall in love with any player, man will always let you down. I could have told you that players don't usually date their fans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: I could have told you that players don't usually date their fans. I bet they do. I would think it highly unlikely that a player dates someone who's never heard of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted October 10, 2019 7 hours ago, oldtimer said: I like to know how others approach this. Naturally most owners will sell high on a waiver wire type guy, or someone they drafted very late and they don't have the history to suggest they will maintain their current level of play. What about your studs though? When they are on an other-worldly roll, would you trade them if a crazy good offer comes in? I play mostly Dynasty, so I am looking at it from this perspective, however, it can be looked at in redraft or keeper as well. Normally I will not trade a player I consider to be a star, but an offer came in last night for one of my stud guys (Cook) that is impossible to ignore. Even if he keeps up this pace, which I believe he can, the offer was extremely solid. I pretty much only play dynasty as well and when I look to trade a big name player, it's usually to get younger. The only time I really look at it in the short term is if I'm in title contention and think it will put me over the top Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 11, 2019 I start studs, I don’t deal them away. I trade bums or overachievers or 1 week wonders. Not an exact science and it can backfire easily but I really loathe selling stud commodities for speculative value or multiple pieces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,461 Posted October 11, 2019 So even if you have a stud, that’s not performing as a ff stud, you wouldn’t trade someone who really wanted that player for a player that would make your ff team better? Who wouldn’t trade to make your team better? Interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,461 Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: I could have told you that players don't usually date their fans. So no calls from D J huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted October 12, 2019 I tried unloading Copper Kupp for Mark Ingram, but it was shot down. My buddy countered with David Montgomery, but I don't want any part of the Bears' backfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,461 Posted October 12, 2019 Who do you currently have at rb, I mean Kupp for Ingram. Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, rallo said: I tried unloading Copper Kupp for Mark Ingram, but it was shot down. Thank your lucky stars! LOL at "unloading" the burden of a top 5 WR... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted October 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, AxeElf said: Thank your lucky stars! LOL at "unloading" the burden of a top 5 WR... It's standard scoring, and while not a burden, I don't think that Kupp continues at this top 5 production. I understand that I would have been giving up slightly too much, but Freeman is killing me in the WR2 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, rallo said: It's standard scoring, and while not a burden, I don't think that Kupp continues at this top 5 production. I understand that I would have been giving up slightly too much, but Freeman is killing me in the WR2 spot. Well yeah, Antonio Freeman has been retired for years; you definitely need a better WR2. But Kupp has been a top 5 WR for two years running now, and he's just entering his prime; I don't think he's going away any time soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted October 12, 2019 I'd rather Ingram in standard, but it's close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted October 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, AxeElf said: Well yeah, Antonio Freeman has been retired for years; you definitely need a better WR2. But Kupp has been a top 5 WR for two years running now, and he's just entering his prime; I don't think he's going away any time soon. Haha, yes, mia culpa, meant to say Freeman in the RB2... although Antonio Freeman's roll over catch will be one of my happier FF moments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, weepaws said: Who do you currently have at rb, I mean Kupp for Ingram. Wow. Carson, Freeman, Lindsay, Hyde Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimaveli 119 Posted October 13, 2019 I’m okay with it in 2 for 1 situations. For instance, I lacked rb depth in a league. I recently traded Dalvin Cook for Chris Carson and Tevin Coleman. I didn’t have Mattison in that league so it was a bit easier to let it go as a Cook 2019 truther. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, jimaveli said: I’m okay with it in 2 for 1 situations. For instance, I lacked rb depth in a league. I recently traded Dalvin Cook for Chris Carson and Tevin Coleman. I didn’t have Mattison in that league so it was a bit easier to let it go as a Cook 2019 truther. It was a good time to let him go, too, since we're coming up on Week 6, when Cook traditionally goes down for the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 132 Posted October 13, 2019 Yes. I'm in two deep keepers (6 and 10 players). If I can get a young player that I think will be the next big thing and/or a pick or two on return. You got a deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 15, 2019 Figured I'd give an update on why I asked the question. Last Friday, I ended up trading Dalvin Cooks. It ended up being a trade that worked for both sides. My QB's, prior to the season, were Andrew Luck and Big Ben. That didn't exactly work out. I won the league last season (Dynasty League), and thought I'd be doing much better this season. We have 25 man rosters in a 12 team league, so there is almost never anyone available on waivers. So, I gave up Dalvin Cook and received L. Jackson (QB), CeeDee Lamb (stud WR for next year and beyond) and a 1st round (late pick) in the rookie draft next Spring. I would have been more than happy with just Lamb and Jackson, but held out for the 1st as well. His team already had Kyler Murray and Matt Ryan at QB and CMC at RB. His WR's are all WR4's. Flat out bad. With the play he has had at QB and RB though, he's rolled out to a 5-1 start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted October 17, 2019 I will always sell high on my studs in redraft if I feel my team starting to slip away. Maybe a 1-3 or 2-4 start. Gotta start fishing for a blockbuster to shake things up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said: I will always sell high on my studs in redraft if I feel my team starting to slip away. Maybe a 1-3 or 2-4 start. Gotta start fishing for a blockbuster to shake things up. I agree with this 100%. It's weird how it works, but sometimes making a change either makes the owner pay more attention, or just seems to work out. My luck in trading away my studs has always been pretty good, but I think some of it is because I won't settle on what I want. I want to win the trade if I am giving up a top player. Consistent players are difficult to find, especially at RB, so I feel like if someone wants them, they will have to pay a premium price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I agree with this 100%. It's weird how it works, but sometimes making a change either makes the owner pay more attention, or just seems to work out. My luck in trading away my studs has always been pretty good, but I think some of it is because I won't settle on what I want. I want to win the trade if I am giving up a top player. Consistent players are difficult to find, especially at RB, so I feel like if someone wants them, they will have to pay a premium price. Exactly. I would need a 2 for 1 or a 3 for 1 to shore up any/all the holes on my roster. And then pray on Sunday’s lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 17, 2019 I trade studs that underperform and I start studs that are playing well. I traded Hopkins and Rodgers for example. The name value will always fetch more than the scores would suggest. It’s really hard to pry studs playing well away from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, tanatastic said: I trade studs that underperform and I start studs that are playing well. I traded Hopkins and Rodgers for example. The name value will always fetch more than the scores would suggest. It’s really hard to pry studs playing well away from me. I agree if they are playing well, they are nearly untradeable. That said, if your team is 1-3, 2-4, 3-5..... It's time to make a change or risk missing the playoffs. I got rid of Dalvin for a very specific reason. Only partially was it because I love Cee Dee Lamb and was in desperate need of a QB. The rookie pick was just a throw in because I wanted more. I traded him, in part, because of how they are using Mattison. If you watch them play, once Cook hits his 100 yards, or whatever and a TD, they start using Mattison. In dynasty, my fear is when Cook is a free agent, they let him walk since they have Mattison for three more years. They have almost no cap room and will be stuck until 2021, when Cousins contract is expired. They will also be able to release or trade several players then who have no remaining guaranteed money on their deals. It was 85% a need based trade and 15% based on a hunch they try not to overuse Cook if they appear headed to the playoffs. Not to mention Mattison is looking great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites