***Happy Football Day Week 16*** Special Christmas Edition

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Lost in the discussion of Belichick is not only how much credit should he get for Brady's development, but how much credit should BB get for Nick Saban's development.  BB took Saban under his wing in Cleveland.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

35 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

Fully agree. Hopefully this year he tries to get Lawrence. Jags have first pick but he would fit perfectly in NE 

How exactly would he get Lawrence ? So stupid. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Lost in the discussion of Belichick is not only how much credit should he get for Brady's development, but how much credit should BB get for Nick Saban's development.  BB took Saban under his wing in Cleveland.

And how much should the videographer and the deflator get? 

[DonS 3,292]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Lost in the discussion of Belichick is not only how much credit should he get for Brady's development, but how much credit should BB get for Nick Saban's development.  BB took Saban under his wing in Cleveland.

What has been the track record for the BB "coaching tree"?  Vrable has done well but he was a player not a coach.  Patricia, McDaniels as HC, and I'm drawing a blank on the fat OC that sh1t the bed...

[Djgb13 2,339]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Lost in the discussion of Belichick is not only how much credit should he get for Brady's development, but how much credit should BB get for Nick Saban's development.  BB took Saban under his wing in Cleveland.

He should get some for Brady but Brady is one of the hardest working QBs out there. Plus he’s shown since moving to TB that it was his actual ability propelling the Pats and not BB so much 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

What has been the track record for the BB "coaching tree"?  Vrable has done well but he was a player not a coach.  Patricia, McDaniels as HC, and I'm drawing a blank on the fat OC that sh1t the bed...

Yeah, it is a big tree.

Weis was the fat OC. No good. Romeo is in that area too. 

The younger guys are doing well - Flores, Judge, Daboll, Boyer

Saban is different. Seems more of a contemporary and respected friend than BB mentoring Saban.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

who is the Bills OC?

I want him as Chargers HC

 

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Yeah, it is a big tree.

Weis was the fat OC. No good. Romeo is in that area too. 

The younger guys are doing well - Flores, Judge, Daboll, Boyer

Saban is different. Seems more of a contemporary and respected friend than BB mentoring Saban.

True about Flores.  He's done a good job in MIA (focker). Daboll has been awesome with BUF.  Glad he straightened Allen out as he should definitely land a HC gig next year since he's white. 

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

who is the Bills OC?

I want him as Chargers HC

 

Daboll

[Djgb13 2,339]

Pretty sure Cam will be gone after this year. He’s thrown, what, 2 TDs all year? Would’ve been better off with Edelman behind center 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Is everyone forgetting that the Pats lost a lot of players on defense that opted out due to Covid? And are we saying he’s no good with drafting and signing players when he was drafting at the back of the draft for how many years and he lost how many draft picks for the cheating scandals? I expect a dimwit like Digby not to know these things, but the rest of you have a short memory. They won a championship the season before last for gods sake. 

[DonS 3,292]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Is everyone forgetting that the Pats lost a lot of players on defense that opted out due to Covid? And are we saying he’s no good with drafting and signing players when he was drafting at the back of the draft for his many years and he lost how many draft picks for the cheating scandals? I expect a dimwit like Digby not to know these things, but the rest of you have a short memory. They won a championship the season before last for gods sake. 

There was a stat posted a few weeks ago during a broadcast showing BB track record on drafting WRs.  They have all sh1t the bed.  What has been the glaring weakness for Pats?  WR. 1st round picks are not the only ones that matter.  Oh, and BB traded for Sanu. How did that turn out? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

2 minutes ago, DonS said:

Daboll

Perfect...Done

we were just talking about it tonight, me and my buddy both won our leagues because of Allen, but we both drafted him for the same reason, 4 pt passing td league.  We both thought why would they get Diggs and he was just going to goto waste.  The Bills did an absolutely amazing job of getting a stud and making him a focal point of the offense, completely revamping the offense, we all assumed especially after they drafted Moss to add to Singletary this was going to be a heavy run team

that type of ability to maximize your players is exactly what the Chargers need, not to mention the red zone success rate (where the Chargers blow) another guy I was impressed with was the GB OC

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

Somebody please talk to HT. He’s desperate for attention and his normal trolling methods aren’t working cause everyone decided to ignore him since he acts like he does 

[DonS 3,292]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Perfect...Done

we were just talking about it tonight, me and my buddy both won our leagues because of Allen, but we both drafted him for the same reason, 4 pt passing td league.  We both thought why would they get Diggs and he was just going to goto waste.  The Bills did an absolutely amazing job of getting a stud and making him a focal point of the offense, completely revamping the offense, we all assumed especially after they drafted Moss to add to Singletary this was going to be a heavy run team

that type of ability to maximize your players is exactly what the Chargers need, not to mention the red zone success rate (where the Chargers blow) another guy I was impressed with was the GB OC

 

Diggs is a stud without question, but the fact that Allen dramatically improved his accuracy -- which "experts" said couldn't happen -- is the biggest reason for Bills improvement.  Running game has been a disappointment but it's starting to improve thanks partly due to the passing game. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

8 minutes ago, DonS said:

There was a stat posted a few weeks ago during a broadcast showing BB track record on drafting WRs.  They have all sh1t the bed.  What has been the glaring weakness for Pats?  WR. 1st round picks are not the only ones that matter.  Oh, and BB traded for Sanu. How did that turn out? 

I’d say the high draft picks are what they are looking at. Fine, he has struck out on a bunch. But he hit on Gronk, and Edelman. And considering they are the core players in the passing game for their last three Super Bowls I’d say he does ok. Like I said, they won it all the season before last. And the trade for Sanu was out of desperation and I don’t blame him. He was trying to fix a problem in season and that guy was probably the best he could do. Frankly I’m very surprised he didn’t work out last year for them. Thought it was a good move. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

7 minutes ago, DonS said:

Diggs is a stud without question, but the fact that Allen dramatically improved his accuracy -- which "experts" said couldn't happen -- is the biggest reason for Bills improvement.  Running game has been a disappointment but it's starting to improve thanks partly due to the passing game. 

I think they are very much like the chiefs. Except Kelce. He’s the difference maker. If I’m the Bills I never back down from a shootout. They can hang. 

[DonS 3,292]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d say the high draft picks are what they are looking at. Fine, he has struck out on a bunch. But he hit on Gronk, and Edelman. And considering they are the core players in the passing game for their last three Super Bowls I’d say he does ok. Like I said, they won it all the season before last. And the trade for Sanu was out of desperation and I don’t blame him. He was trying to fix a problem in season and that guy was probably the best he could do. Frankly I’m very surprised he didn’t work out last year for them. Thought it was a good move. 

Outside of Gronk and Edelman I think it's more a testament to Brady elevating players around him than BBs drafting.  AND I HATE TB12!!  Gotta give credit where credit is due though. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

17 minutes ago, DonS said:

Outside of Gronk and Edelman I think it's more a testament to Brady elevating players around him than BBs drafting.  AND I HATE TB12!!  Gotta give credit where credit is due though. 

I’ll give Brady credit as well. But you have to admit, the Patriot players rarely do dumb things and there is never an issue with clock management. They rarely shoot themselves in the foot, which happens all over the NFL. That’s BB. And you also don’t see Pats players pulling themselves out of games. A tier thing you see all around the NFL. Running backs looking to the sidelines after a run. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,535]

Don't worry Hoodie will be back in full force next year! Tons of cap and high draft picks and the Wimpy players that back out. Sure wildcard team next year. Of course that is if there is still fans left that didn't switch to Tampa.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I guess BB can draft Kyle Trask and have him throw very accurate short passes in lieu of a running game.  Maybe get him a stud TE as well.

[BeenHereBefore 1,535]

29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

I guess BB can draft Kyle Trask and have him throw very accurate short passes in lieu of a running game.  Maybe get him a stud TE as well.

One thing is for sure Newton is done as a starting QB in the league. Oh not a fan of Task at a NFL level.

[DonS 3,292]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’ll give Brady credit as well. But you have to admit, the Patriot players rarely do dumb things and there is never an issue with clock management. They rarely shoot themselves in the foot, which happens all over the NFL. That’s BB. And you also don’t see Pats players pulling themselves out of games. A tier thing you see all around the NFL. Running backs looking to the sidelines after a run. 

I agree with all of this. 

[Djgb13 2,339]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

I guess BB can draft Kyle Trask and have him throw very accurate short passes in lieu of a running game.  Maybe get him a stud TE as well.

I’m hoping Jags stick with Minshaw and BB trades up for Lawrence 

[BeenHereBefore 1,535]

45 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

I’m hoping Jags stick with Minshaw and BB trades up for Lawrence 

Good luck with that! Jags would be damn fools then!

[edjr 6,606]

I watched the entire game. If Handy Kraft had any balls, he would fire Belichick today. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

I watched the entire game. If Handy Kraft had any balls, he would fire Belichick today. 

That would be dumb. How do you know that Bill didn’t tell Kraft all along that this year was a reboot? Who are you going to have instead of BB? Do we get ready to have a coaching carousel?

Get off sports radio and use your head.

[edjr 6,606]

3 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

That would be dumb. How do you know that Bill didn’t tell Kraft all along that this year was a reboot? Who are you going to have instead of BB? Do we get ready to have a coaching carousel?

Get off sports radio and use your head.

Worst GM in all of the NFL. Not even close. He can still coach, but we know that won't fly. Bye bye Bill.  Hires his son a DC

[Mike Isles 583]

8 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

BB was a legend when his defense beat the Bills in the Super Bowl.

I’m a Giants fan and my wife a Bills fan (so I root both ways - happy wife happy life - I know that’s both ghey and cliche). Legend wouldn’t be if not for wide right. 

[Mike Isles 583]

3 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

I’m hoping Jags stick with Minshaw and BB trades up for Lawrence 

WOW. Keep hoping bandwagon fan. 

[edjr 6,606]

6 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

I’m hoping Jags stick with Minshaw and BB trades up for Lawrence 

Sorry but you should be suspended for this idiocy 

[Djgb13 2,339]

6 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Good luck with that! Jags would be damn fools then!

Haha I know. Never said it’d happen. Just hoping they’re dumb enough to do it 

[Mike Isles 583]

6 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

Haha I know. Never said it’d happen. Just hoping they’re dumb enough to do it 

You more then anyone else here knows how to be dumb. Ha. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

4 hours ago, Mike Isles said:

I’m a Giants fan and my wife a Bills fan (so I root both ways - happy wife happy life - I know that’s both ghey and cliche). Legend wouldn’t be if not for wide right. 

true but there is not a single legend that didnt have luck on their side at some point.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

4 hours ago, edjr said:

Sorry but you should be suspended for this idiocy 

Digby keeps finding new lows. It’s incredible. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d say the high draft picks are what they are looking at. Fine, he has struck out on a bunch. But he hit on Gronk, and Edelman. And considering they are the core players in the passing game for their last three Super Bowls I’d say he does ok. Like I said, they won it all the season before last. And the trade for Sanu was out of desperation and I don’t blame him. He was trying to fix a problem in season and that guy was probably the best he could do. Frankly I’m very surprised he didn’t work out last year for them. Thought it was a good move. 

Edelman was a guess 7th rounder in taking a college QB and turning him into a receiver. Gronk was a hurt TE who slipped to the 2nd round where Bill likes to make guesses. BB was drafting well back then. Sanu was a desperation trade because Brady wanted it. They gave up too much for a guy that gets no separation anymore. We already have a roster of guys who get no separation.  

There have been a ton of misses for BB that are starting to hit them now as their roster ages and you need youth to deal with salary cap issues. Before Jake Bailey this year (punter), they had not drafted a Pro Bowler since Jamie Collins in 2013. Lots of misses in the last 5-6 drafts are costing this team now. Not sure that the last 2 drafts will be much better, so this could be more protracted than just a blip on the radar. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

14 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Edelman was a guess 7th rounder in taking a college QB and turning him into a receiver. Gronk was a hurt TE who slipped to the 2nd round where Bill likes to make guesses. BB was drafting well back then. Sanu was a desperation trade because Brady wanted it. They gave up too much for a guy that gets no separation anymore. We already have a roster of guys who get no separation.  

There have been a ton of misses for BB that are starting to hit them now as their roster ages and you need youth to deal with salary cap issues. Before Jake Bailey this year (punter), they had not drafted a Pro Bowler since Jamie Collins in 2013. Lots of misses in the last 5-6 drafts are costing this team now. Not sure that the last 2 drafts will be much better, so this could be more protracted than just a blip on the radar. 

Did he draft the Jackson kid? He looks good. Until last night. I hear ya, but I just can’t question a guy too much who won he Super Bowl the year before last and his defense stayed out because of Covid. I say he deserves every benefit of the doubt going forward. I’m not betting against him. 

[tanatastic 2,062]

Can’t write off Bill, he’s done too much for them, he gets a lifetime pass. They will need a new QB next year though for sure. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Did he draft the Jackson kid? He looks good. Until last night. I hear ya, but I just can’t question a guy too much who won he Super Bowl the year before last and his defense stayed out because of Covid. I say he deserves every benefit of the doubt going forward. I’m not betting against him. 

He isn't as bad as Ed says, but he does deserve the criticism for this personnel moves over the last several years. That does include the nepotism, which can open you up to further criticism. 

JC Jackson was undrafted and one of those finds (like Malcolm Butler). He is a very solid #2, but I don't think he holds up to being a #1 CB. At least he has not this year when Gilmore has been out. 

Bill has definitely earned the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn't get a free pass when he clearly misses on his GM moves.

[edjr 6,606]

1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

He isn't as bad as Ed says, but he does deserve the criticism for this personnel moves over the last several years. That does include the nepotism, which can open you up to further criticism. 

JC Jackson was undrafted and one of those finds (like Malcolm Butler). He is a very solid #2, but I don't think he holds up to being a #1 CB. At least he has not this year when Gilmore has been out. 

Bill has definitely earned the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn't get a free pass when he clearly misses on his GM moves.

Malcom Butler? that guy that was benched for the Super Bowl with no explanation? Bill takes way too much personal and there is no one to check his ego. Kraft needs to hire a GM. The day he put his retarded son Steve at DC, Kraft should have said no.