January 6th

[wiffleball 4,789]

22 years.  

[Dozer FBG 325]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

There is a large population who is sick as hell being called dumb bigots by the media.

Change the channel!

You should start watching movies or something. Maybe rewatch Sienfeld…

[Dozer FBG 325]

Nah

[jonmx 2,425]

2 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Change the channel!

You should start watching movies or something. Maybe rewatch Sienfeld…

And ignore these authoritarian bastards destroying the country through manipulating of the dumb masses.  The media and big tech  play a huge role in expanding the power of the government and being in bed with them to destroy our first Amendment rights and to alter elections.   Sorry, but watching Seinfeld while these bastards take over is not am option.  I actually love and understand why this country was great and it has nothing to do with an ever expanding and unchecked power that exists in our Executive Branch. 

[Dozer FBG 325]

Nope

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

Keep crying about Jan 6.  Black people dgaf. Only Karen’s and Kyles do. Black folk are gonna decide this thing.  

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, wiffleball said:

22 years.  

Leave it to the Democrats to give the person of color dude the longest sentence.  Insurrection!@#!   Revolution!@#!  Without guns, taking selfies and walking away.  Jesus. 

Stupid?  Yes.  Illegal?  Yes.  Trying to overthrow the government and democracy?  You have to be a special kind of stupid to run with that.  

There are murders and rapists who get less time.  Way less time. Y'all funny.

 

[seafoam1 2,919]

3 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Leave it to the Democrats to give the person of color dude the longest sentence.  Insurrection!@#!   Revolution!@#!  Without guns, taking selfies and walking away.  Jesus. 

Stupid?  Yes.  Illegal?  Yes.  Trying to overthrow the government and democracy?  You have to be a special kind of stupid to run with that.  

There are murders and rapists who get less time.  Way less time. Y'all funny.

 

Amen.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

3 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Leave it to the Democrats to give the person of color dude the longest sentence.  Insurrection!@#!   Revolution!@#!  Without guns, taking selfies and walking away.  Jesus. 

Stupid?  Yes.  Illegal?  Yes.  Trying to overthrow the government and democracy?  You have to be a special kind of stupid to run with that.  

There are murders and rapists who get less time.  Way less time. Y'all funny.

 

They need it. They need it so bad. Otherwise liberals would have to accept the reality that they are the violent and dangerous side. 

[seafoam1 2,919]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They need it. They need it so bad. Otherwise liberals would have to accept the reality that they are the violent and dangerous side. 

Liberal's calendar goes fron 2019 straight to 2021. 2020 never existed.

[jonmx 2,425]

It is an f-ing joke.  When it comes out that the FBI instigated and planned it all and these dupes were just pawns, what then?  Are we going to lock up federal agents for putting these people through hell?  Do we lock up Pelosi for destroy evidence? 

There are never any consequences for the authoritarian bastards.   They all have legal protection and can get away with this crap.  The feds can lie, destroy evidence and refuse to answer questions.   And that is the f-ing problem.....there is zero accountability.   

We treat government agents as superior beings, particularly those in intelligence agencies, not subject to interrogation or punishment.  You give people unchecked power and bad things happen....100 percent of the time. 

[Dozer FBG 325]

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed.
 

Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio       9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs       6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl         6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola  4-5 yrs | 10 yrs

[seafoam1 2,919]

2 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed.
 

Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio       9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs       6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl         6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola  4-5 yrs | 10 yrs

And a 2020 liberal arsonist gets a whole 5 years for burning down buildings...

You focking idiots are unreal. 

 

[Dozer FBG 325]

56 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is an f-ing joke.  When it comes out that the FBI instigated and planned it all and these dupes were just pawns, what then?  Are we going to lock up federal agents for putting these people through hell?  Do we lock up Pelosi for destroy evidence? 

There are never any consequences for the authoritarian bastards.   They all have legal protection and can get away with this crap.  The feds can lie, destroy evidence and refuse to answer questions.   And that is the f-ing problem.....there is zero accountability.   

We treat government agents as superior beings, particularly those in intelligence agencies, not subject to interrogation or punishment.  You give people unchecked power and bad things happen....100 percent of the time. 

Old man yells at clouds…

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

2 hours ago, Dozer FBG said:

Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed.
 

Offer | Sentence after trial
Tarrio       9-11 yrs| 22 yrs
Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs
Biggs       6-8 yrs | 17 yrs
Rehl         6-7 yrs | 15 yrs
Pezzola  4-5 yrs | 10 yrs

Ok Karen. 

[Fnord 2,187]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

You give people unchecked power and bad things happen....100 percent of the time. 

Your solution to this is voting for a guy who is openly campaigning on doing exactly this. Seems antithetical to your stated beliefs.

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok Karen. 

 

Just call him Tim. Or the name on his birth certificate - Michael

[jonmx 2,425]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Your solution to this is voting for a guy who is openly campaigning on doing exactly this. Seems antithetical to your stated beliefs.

The power in the executive branch is already far out of control.  It does need structural changes which makes them answerable to Congress and to the people.  Nobody running is proposing what needs to happen.   Trump will take out some of the trash and make it better temporarily.  I would like to see Trump, Ramaswamy and RFK jr. at least atte.pt to clean it up, but so far none of them seem to understand the structural issues which has lead to these authoritarian bastards empower themselves. 

[Fnord 2,187]

47 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The power in the executive branch is already far out of control.  It does need structural changes which makes them answerable to Congress and to the people.  Nobody running is proposing what needs to happen.   Trump will take out some of the trash and make it better temporarily.  I would like to see Trump, Ramaswamy and RFK jr. at least atte.pt to clean it up, but so far none of them seem to understand the structural issues which has lead to these authoritarian bastards empower themselves. 

Here you are trying to justify what you know is bullsh1t because it runs counter to your beliefs. Trump has made no secret of his plans. MORE EXECUTIVE CONTROL.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Here you are trying to justify what you know is bullsh1t because it runs counter to your beliefs. Trump has made no secret of his plans. MORE EXECUTIVE CONTROL.

Yes. He’s the fist president that wanted more control.  It’s unprecedented. 

[jonmx 2,425]

30 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Here you are trying to justify what you know is bullsh1t because it runs counter to your beliefs. Trump has made no secret of his plans. MORE EXECUTIVE CONTROL.

The New York Times is nothing but a mouthpiece for the FBI-CIA and has been for many decades.   Unelected civil servants working in secrecy without any checks and balances is not 'the bedrock of democracy' as this idiot expert ridiculously claims.  

Trump cleaning house of corrupt civil servants and pulling the power out of these agencies and into the white house is not authoritarianism.   For instance Hoover abused his position for decades, blackmailing and probably even having people killed to get his way and he never faced any consequences because he was more powerful than the president and did not have to answer to congress or the people.  If a white house tried to do what Hoover did he would get impeached.  

Trump is not making increasing the authority of the executive branch, he would be consolidating it to the White House which would be more transparent to the public and answerable to the people via elections. 

I don't have much faith in Trump actually solving the problems.  We need to open up our federal agencies and especially the intelligence agencies to a rectal exam and tell them we don't give a crap about them protecting their methods, because it is quite obvious those methods have trashed the Constutition.  

No, Trump is not the answer, but Trump scares the hell out of the authoritarian bastards who currently are the base of the establishment power.  And a shakeup of that establishment is a good thing. 

[Fnord 2,187]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. He’s the fist president that wanted more control.  It’s unprecedented. 

Your levels of intellectual dishonesty are only limited by your pedestrian intellect. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Your levels of intellectual dishonesty are only limited by your pedestrian intellect. 

Maybe he’ll intern some Japanese with his new executive powers. Or suspend habeas corpus or a thousand other examples of executive overreach.  But Trump is the dangerous one. 

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

42 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The New York Times is nothing but a mouthpiece for the FBI-CIA and has been for many decades.   Unelected civil servants working in secrecy without any checks and balances is not 'the bedrock of democracy' as this idiot expert ridiculously claims.  

Trump cleaning house of corrupt civil servants and pulling the power out of these agencies and into the white house is not authoritarianism.   For instance Hoover abused his position for decades, blackmailing and probably even having people killed to get his way and he never faced any consequences because he was more powerful than the president and did not have to answer to congress or the people.  If a white house tried to do what Hoover did he would get impeached.  

Trump is not making increasing the authority of the executive branch, he would be consolidating it to the White House which would be more transparent to the public and answerable to the people via elections. 

I don't have much faith in Trump actually solving the problems.  We need to open up our federal agencies and especially the intelligence agencies to a rectal exam and tell them we don't give a crap about them protecting their methods, because it is quite obvious those methods have trashed the Constutition.  

No, Trump is not the answer, but Trump scares the hell out of the authoritarian bastards who currently are the base of the establishment power.  And a shakeup of that establishment is a good thing. 

You need to calm down. Have a beer, smoke some weed, whatever. Lions are coming on soon. Who knows? They might even win. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

The relationship between the intel agencies and the NYT is well documented. Anyone belittling that fact is woefully ignorant.  Rock on Libtards. 

[Fnord 2,187]

39 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The New York Times is nothing but a mouthpiece for the FBI-CIA and has been for many decades.   Unelected civil servants working in secrecy without any checks and balances is not 'the bedrock of democracy' as this idiot expert ridiculously claims.  

Trump cleaning house of corrupt civil servants and pulling the power out of these agencies and into the white house is not authoritarianism.   For instance Hoover abused his position for decades, blackmailing and probably even having people killed to get his way and he never faced any consequences because he was more powerful than the president and did not have to answer to congress or the people.  If a white house tried to do what Hoover did he would get impeached.  

Trump is not making increasing the authority of the executive branch, he would be consolidating it to the White House which would be more transparent to the public and answerable to the people via elections. 

I don't have much faith in Trump actually solving the problems.  We need to open up our federal agencies and especially the intelligence agencies to a rectal exam and tell them we don't give a crap about them protecting their methods, because it is quite obvious those methods have trashed the Constutition.  

No, Trump is not the answer, but Trump scares the hell out of the authoritarian bastards who currently are the base of the establishment power.  And a shakeup of that establishment is a good thing. 

I appreciate your civil response. Re: the bolded, I'm not sure where you're getting the evidence that leads you to this conclusion. The only thing transparency and Trump share are three letters and his naked attempts to hold onto power, no matter the cost.

I agree with most of the following paragraph, and would definitely include the DOD in that rectal exam.

And Trump scares the hell out of millions of people, including some of the so-called authoritarian bastards. Mostly, IMO, because he is one himself, only with less scruples and cunning than your average authoritarian bastard. 

[Fnord 2,187]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe he’ll intern some Japanese with his new executive powers. Or suspend habeas corpus or a thousand other examples of executive overreach.  But Trump is the dangerous one. 

If he was able, do you think Trump would happily put away his enemies without due process? Unjustly influence the DOJ to persecute rivals? Rule by executive order? Declare himself president for life, followed by Ivanka? If not, you haven't been paying attention for the past 7 years.

[jonmx 2,425]

When we're federal agencies established. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

If he was able, do you think Trump would happily put away his enemies without due process? Unjustly influence the DOJ to persecute rivals? Rule by executive order? Declare himself president for life, followed by Ivanka? If not, you haven't been paying attention for the past 7 years.

If he wanted Hillary locked up he could have had her locked up. He didn’t. If he wanted members of the press locked up, he would have, unlike Obama who did. So no. He could have.  He didn’t. 

[Fnord 2,187]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If he wanted Hillary locked up he could have had her locked up. He didn’t. If he wanted members of the press locked up, he would have, unlike Obama who did. So no. He could have.  He didn’t. 

Multiple links supporting these claims or you're FOS.

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Multiple links supporting these claims or you're FOS.

Good luck with that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Multiple links supporting these claims or you're FOS.

You need a link to know that James Comey clearly stated that Hillary had violated the law? 

[Fnord 2,187]

27 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Good luck with that. 

It's a great way to blow him off. Pretty sure he only knows how to navigate his web browser to here and teenagers' tiktok posts.

[Fnord 2,187]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You need a link to know that James Comey clearly stated that Hillary had violated the law? 

How does that get translated to "Trump could have had her locked up?" POTUS doesn't have that power. Nor should they, contrary to Trump’s opinions. 

[seafoam1 2,919]

The TDS is off the charts in this thread. 

[Dozer FBG 325]

3 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

Just call him Tim. Or the name on his birth certificate - Michael

I prefer #1TimFan

[HellToupee 1,709]

5 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

I prefer #1TimFan

That would make you squistion which btw I’ve suspected for some time 

[Dozer FBG 325]

22 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

That would make you squistion which btw I’ve suspected for some time 

Nope... but squis does good work!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

How does that get translated to "Trump could have had her locked up?" POTUS doesn't have that power. Nor should they, contrary to Trump’s opinions. 

He could have appointed an attorney general that agreed to lock her up. They can.  This has to be explained to you? 

[Fnord 2,187]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He could have appointed an attorney general that agreed to lock her up. They can.  This has to be explained to you? 

He tried. It failed. There wasn't enough evidence. I know the definition of evidence needs to be explained to you. You must have been a helluva cop.