The Delta Variant

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Better contact tracing

Better testing in the beginning 

Actually encouraging masking and distancing/not downplaying the severity of covid by saying things like “it will just disappear”

 

...probably some of the main ones

Again other countries did that and had the same rates. We knew nothing. Remember when they said to bleach every surface. Oh wait it doesn’t transfer from surface. I guess I’d rather have a leader that says don’t worry we will beat this rather than one that says hide in a dungeon and we’re all gone die. Creating panic isn’t a good thing. Staying optimistic is imo. I’d rather not live scared

guess what everywhere was masked. Maybe if the left and msm didn’t spend so much time calling him xenophobic and opposing every potential suggestion just cause he mentioned it we would have done even better

maybe if the democrat governors would have use resources instead of declining them we would have had better numbers 

as far as testing what could trump have done to test better and faster. Create a test himself? Snap his fingers?  What’s your solution?

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1 hour ago, Big Guy said:

I just find it odd that you've never heard this before or perhaps you think Politicians are on the up & up

bless your heart

Yeah I've heard it before.  Just trying to find out how many are actually stupid enough to believe it.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

All Trump had to do was act like a stable adult male for a few months and regardless of Covid or whatever he’d still be POTUS. But he just couldn’t do it.

So repeating what the doctors and scientists were telling him was him acting unstable. He mentioned hydrochlorquine and it became the end of the world. You think trump just thought of that on his own or maybe there was some lab somewhere showing potential?  There still hasn’t been an explanation as to why covid rates are lowest where malaria rates are highest 

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Again other countries did that and had the same rates. We knew nothing. Remember when they said to bleach every surface. Oh wait it doesn’t transfer from surface. I guess I’d rather have a leader that says don’t worry we will beat this rather than one that says hide in a dungeon and we’re all gone die. Creating panic isn’t a good thing. Staying optimistic is imo. I’d rather not live scared

guess what everywhere was masked. Maybe if the left and msm didn’t spend so much time calling him xenophobic and opposing every potential suggestion just cause he mentioned it we would have done even better

maybe if the democrat governors would have use resources instead of declining them we would have had better numbers 

We had higher rates than most countries in the world. Trump told people to do stuff that was the opposite of what they should have been doing. Instead of telling people to wear masks and use social distancing, he posted idiotic BS like “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

Letting 600,000 people die on your watch, when many of those deaths could have been preventing simply by being a decent human being? Inexcusable. The damage is still ongoing. A majority of people in areas that voted overwhelmingly for Trump are refusing vaccines, leading to another surge this week.

 

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10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So repeating what the doctors and scientists were telling him was him acting unstable. 

No. Deliberately downplaying the seriousness, undercutting his own health experts, using his Covid press conferences as a whine fest, holding mask optional rallies etc. was his acting unstable.

All he had to do was act like a grown up for a few months. 

He couldn’t do it.

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

No. Deliberately downplaying the seriousness, undercutting his own health experts, using his Covid press conferences as a whine fest, holding mask optional rallies etc. was his acting unstable.

All he had to do was act like a grown up for a few months. 

He couldn’t do it.

 Mooo....

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

No. Deliberately downplaying the seriousness, undercutting his own health experts, using his Covid press conferences as a whine fest, holding mask optional rallies etc. was his acting unstable.

All he had to do was act like a grown up for a few months. 

He couldn’t do it.

You forgot encouraging armed insurrection against governors who implemented his own health experts’ safety rules

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You forgot encouraging armed insurrection against governors who implemented his own health experts’ safety rules

If only actual conservatives armed to the hilt with real intent to take out liberals went into the capital instead of a bunch of D&D nerds armed with selfie devices. Now that would have been great. 

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13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Again other countries did that and had the same rates. We knew nothing. Remember when they said to bleach every surface. Oh wait it doesn’t transfer from surface. I guess I’d rather have a leader that says don’t worry we will beat this rather than one that says hide in a dungeon and we’re all gone die. Creating panic isn’t a good thing. Staying optimistic is imo. I’d rather not live scared

guess what everywhere was masked. Maybe if the left and msm didn’t spend so much time calling him xenophobic and opposing every potential suggestion just cause he mentioned it we would have done even better

maybe if the democrat governors would have use resources instead of declining them we would have had better numbers 

as far as testing what could trump have done to test better and faster. Create a test himself? Snap his fingers?  What’s your solution?

No, many other countries didn't have the same rates.

Yes, some of "the science" may have changed, but testing and contact tracing were always the best (non-lockdown) methods at containing the spread.   Place like South Korea, Singapore, Germany (at least at first) all did well with contact tracing.

Trump could have bought more tests, like he did with the vaccines.   Other countries had them when we didn't.  It wasn't until like May that we really had sufficient tests.   It also would've helped if Trump didn't say things like "anyone that wants a test, can get a test" when the reality was for awhile basically no one could get a test unless you had symptoms AND a confirmed contact with someone that tested positive.

 

27 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So repeating what the doctors and scientists were telling him was him acting unstable. He mentioned hydrochlorquine and it became the end of the world. You think trump just thought of that on his own or maybe there was some lab somewhere showing potential?  There still hasn’t been an explanation as to why covid rates are lowest where malaria rates are highest 

Because the people that covid kills most are probably already dead?  

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On 7/12/2021 at 6:39 AM, Hawkeye21 said:

.  I've already had COVID before there was a vaccine so I'm going to stick with my body's natural defense for it going forward.  Once there is enough data and studies done to prove that the vaccines truly are the best way to combating COVID then I will consider getting it.

Well said 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

 Trump told people to do stuff that was the opposite of what they should have been doing. Instead of telling people to wear masks and use social distancing, he posted idiotic BS like “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

 

Versus other prominent government officials, right? 

 

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2 hours ago, MDC said:

No. Deliberately downplaying the seriousness, undercutting his own health experts, using his Covid press conferences as a whine fest, holding mask optional rallies etc. was his acting unstable.

All he had to do was act like a grown up for a few months. 

He couldn’t do it.

cause for the general public it wasn't serious

the only thing that could have been done was quarantine unhealthy people like all the fatties

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,590]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You forgot encouraging armed insurrection against governors who implemented his own health experts’ safety rules

link?

I dont know why you idiots are so against freedom, after two weeks to slow the spread here we are a year and half later showing that idea was wrong, like every other illness we should have just let it play out

sorry people die, people always die

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,590]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

No, many other countries didn't have the same rates.

Yes, some of "the science" may have changed, but testing and contact tracing were always the best (non-lockdown) methods at containing the spread.   Place like South Korea, Singapore, Germany (at least at first) all did well with contact tracing.

Trump could have bought more tests, like he did with the vaccines.   Other countries had them when we didn't.  It wasn't until like May that we really had sufficient tests.   It also would've helped if Trump didn't say things like "anyone that wants a test, can get a test" when the reality was for awhile basically no one could get a test unless you had symptoms AND a confirmed contact with someone that tested positive.

 

Because the people that covid kills most are probably already dead?  

why do you need a test when you are asymptomatic and the experts say you can't spread it asymptomatically?

why didnt fauci tell us to wear tshirts over our face since day one?

we did social distancing since March

and our rates were within the variable of all other countries, we were middle of the pack, and we know that not all deaths were cause of covid

as far as malaria comparison, the countries with the lowest rates of covid have the highest rates of malaria worldwide.  Whats the link?  Hydrochloroquin

although I prefer Ivermectin

 

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6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

cause for the general public it wasn't serious

the only thing that could have been done was quarantine unhealthy people like all the fatties

 

More than 75% of the general public are elderly, overweight or have a respiratory condition. 

See? If Trump didn’t act like a clown all year you wouldn’t say such dumb things in his defense. 

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6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

why do you need a test when you are asymptomatic and the experts say you can't spread it asymptomatically?

Tests can catch presymptomatic infections, which was a major driver in spread.   C'mon, 16 months later and you don't know this?

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6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

cause for the general public it wasn't serious

the only thing that could have been done was quarantine unhealthy people like all the fatties

 

I think everyone here can agree that it shouldn't been very easy for Trump to get elected again but he was his own worse enemy.  The man just couldn't help himself though and it lost the election for him.

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43 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Tests can catch presymptomatic infections, which was a major driver in spread.   C'mon, 16 months later and you don't know this?

Asymptomatic and presymptomatic are entirely different.   C'mon, 16 months later and you don't know this?

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It is moronic to believe "if Trump would have just done" whatever, he'd still be in office. Complete revisionist history.

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5 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

It is moronic to believe "if Trump would have just done" whatever, he'd still be in office. Complete revisionist history.

It's the lib way of painting Trump as a poor candidate rather than lie and say Biden was a good one.  And they cried and wet their panties from day 1, yet blame covid.  Liars all. 

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10 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

If only actual conservatives armed to the hilt with real intent to take out liberals went into the capital instead of a bunch of D&D nerds armed with selfie devices. Now that would have been great. 

I was talking about when he urged people to bring armed rebellion against state governments. But yeah, those guys were total focking sad, pathetic losers acting out some tiny-d1cked aggrieved white guy fantasy. You’ll get no argument from me there

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42 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

It's the lib way of painting Trump as a poor candidate rather than lie and say Biden was a good one.  And they cried and wet their panties from day 1, yet blame covid.  Liars all. 

Trump and Biden were both terrible candidates.  I've said it plenty of times and it's sad that the greatest country in the world had those two people as the main options.

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28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I was talking about when he urged people to bring armed rebellion against state governments. But yeah, those guys were total focking sad, pathetic losers acting out some tiny-d1cked aggrieved white guy fantasy. You’ll get no argument from me there

I wouldn’t go so far as to say tweeting “Liberate Michigan!” etc. was support for armed rebellion. But it was support for those morons to protest the precautions Trump’s own health experts were recommending and it contributed to people not complying during the height of the pandemic.

We’ll never know how many people died because of Trump but it’s 100% a non zero number. 

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7 minutes ago, MDC said:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say tweeting “Liberate Michigan!” etc. was support for armed rebellion. But it was support for those morons to protest the precautions Trump’s own health experts were recommending and it contributed to people not complying during the height of the pandemic.

We’ll never know how many people died because of Trump but it’s 100% a non zero number. 

He did it several times, also referring to the second amendment and guns, then a bunch of Trumptards tried to kidnap the governor.

I think it was much worse than you appreciate, though it was certainly stupid and counterproductive even under your more benign interpretation.

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46 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He did it several times, also referring to the second amendment and guns, then a bunch of Trumptards tried to kidnap the governor.

I think it was much worse than you appreciate, though it was certainly stupid and counterproductive even under your more benign interpretation.

My memory isn’t so good but I remember Trump saying these governors were going to take away their gun rights, not encouraging them to bring guns? Maybe I’m wrong.

Either way, Trump only has himself to blame for losing to Creepy Joe.

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

He did it several times, also referring to the second amendment and guns, then a bunch of Trumptards tried to kidnap the governor.

I think it was much worse than you appreciate, though it was certainly stupid and counterproductive even under your more benign interpretation.

now you think the ones that plotted to kidnap whitmer were Trumpers?

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

So what do we have here? 

Skyrocketing crime, crisis at the border, blm backing Cuban communism and creepy joe doing nothing to help the citizens there, missiles being fired at Israel, middle east going crazy again, democrats pushing to spend trillions and trillions of dollars, taxes going up, inflation taking over everything, critical race theory being pushed on the youth of America, crazy ass fauci pushing for kids to get shots of an experimental drug and then wear masks for the rest of their life, creepy joe's kid skating away after collecting millions from china and the Ukraine and selling stupid paintings to who knows who for as much as a Van Gogh or Degas would sell for, kameltoe saying rural people can't make a copy of something, democrats lying and bitching about logical voting laws, mlb moving it's all star game out of Georgia for some dumb ass liberal reason, creepy joey getting rid of pipeline jobs and encouraging Russia for their pipeline work, businesses being taken down with ransomware and creepy joe doing nothing about it, drug cartels in Mexico getting richer and richer carrying illegals to our border, China getting stronger by the day, kameltoe comparing Texas democrats to forefront black leaders back in the late 1800s, because the dems didn't go to work and instead got on charter flights stocked with beer and taking selfies, calling them courageous, etc, etc, etc...

 

And here in this thread, liberal dopes like mdc and worms continue to whine about Trump who is not even in the government anymore. If that isn't severe TDS, I don't know what is. Focking losers.  

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29 minutes ago, MDC said:

My memory isn’t so good but I remember Trump saying these governors were going to take away their gun rights, not encouraging them to bring guns? Maybe I’m wrong.

Either way, Trump only has himself to blame for losing to Creepy Joe.

He didn’t say grab your gun and go shoot the governor.

He did say rise up against the governor and oh by the way second amendment.

Seems pretty reckless to me but whatever, fortunately the nut is gone

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16 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

now you think the ones that plotted to kidnap whitmer were Trumpers?

 

I suppose they were liberals mad that the governor wasn’t requiring each person to wear five masks?  

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

He didn’t say grab your gun and go shoot the governor.

He did say rise up against the governor and oh by the way second amendment.

Seems pretty reckless to me but whatever, fortunately the nut is gone

but did any of it happen? seems more reckless to bail out people who destroy cities and encourage them to do more damage than the 32 deaths if they dont get their way, but you support kamaltoe

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

I suppose they were liberals mad that the governor wasn’t requiring each person to wear five masks?  

they were anarchists, you know people against all govt

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14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He didn’t say grab your gun and go shoot the governor.

He did say rise up against the governor and oh by the way second amendment.

Seems pretty reckless to me but whatever, fortunately the nut is gone

We’re splitting hairs here, but I thought he tweeted the second amendment stuff in response to proposed gun restrictions? I don’t read that as a call for armed insurrection. But encouraging people to protest the pandemic restrictions that your own health advisors endorsed was wildly irresponsible for sure.

Anyway, yeah: He’s gone. Biden also sucks but at least he does it in a quieter way. 

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15 minutes ago, MDC said:

We’re splitting hairs here, but I thought he tweeted the second amendment stuff in response to proposed gun restrictions? I don’t read that as a call for armed insurrection. But encouraging people to protest the pandemic restrictions that your own health advisors endorsed was wildly irresponsible for sure.

Anyway, yeah: He’s gone. Biden also sucks but at least he does it in a quieter way. 

Trump linked the two himself. I think the intent was clear: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/trump_an_appropriate_time_to_bring_up_second_amendment_virginia_using_pandemic_to_take_your_guns_away.html

 

I think Biden has done alright. Spending money like a drunken sailor but it’s nice to see it going to the little guy for once rather than the standard GOP tax cuts for mega billionaires

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3 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Asymptomatic and presymptomatic are entirely different.   C'mon, 16 months later and you don't know this?

I know, that was precisely my point.   RaiderHater was the one basically lumping them together.

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14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump linked the two himself. I think the intent was clear: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/trump_an_appropriate_time_to_bring_up_second_amendment_virginia_using_pandemic_to_take_your_guns_away.html

 

I think Biden has done alright. Spending money like a drunken sailor but it’s nice to see it going to the little guy for once rather than the standard GOP tax cuts for mega billionaires

I still don’t equate calling for protests against Covid and/or second amendment restrictions with a call for armed rebellion. But we’ve already beaten this horse to death. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I still don’t equate calling for protests against Covid and/or second amendment restrictions with a call for armed rebellion. But we’ve already beaten this horse to death. 

Not even after January 6th? You think that concurred in isolation?

But yeah, it doesn’t really matter at this point. Time for me and you and the country to move on

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not even after January 6th? You think that concurred in isolation?

But yeah, it doesn’t really matter at this point. Time for me and you and the country to move on

That was a little different, but I still think there’s some plausible deniability there. I also think the Jan. 6 thing has been overtalked to death. Although Trumpers are partly responsible for continuing to defend it. 

Anyway like I said, Don can go back to golf and molesting young women now. Fock him.

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3 hours ago, TK0001 said:

It is moronic to believe "if Trump would have just done" whatever, he'd still be in office. Complete revisionist history.

Of course it’s revisionist history, isn’t that the definition of an “if” statement?

Or are you saying you don’t think Trump could have won if he handled covid differently?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

15 minutes ago, MDC said:

That was a little different, but I still think there’s some plausible deniability there. I also think the Jan. 6 thing has been overtalked to death. Although Trumpers are partly responsible for continuing to defend it. 

Anyway like I said, Don can go back to golf and molesting young women now. Fock him.

Well he isn’t dumb, there’s always plausible deniability. I would also like the January 6th thing to go away but there does need to be an investigation—how’d it happen and what can be done to prevent reoccurrence. Ideally this would be done quietly.

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14 hours ago, MDC said:

No. Deliberately downplaying the seriousness, undercutting his own health experts, using his Covid press conferences as a whine fest, holding mask optional rallies etc. was his acting unstable.

All he had to do was act like a grown up for a few months. 

He couldn’t do it.

We're not seeing progress.  Just more spin and lies with data.  People are losing trust in the medical field if they can't just admit what  they don't know.