Why do we have a vaccine against a virus?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's the difference between knowing that a vaccine is safe and effective vs thinking that it causes autism or heart attack or 5G reception.

I don’t see that being forth here. I think what’s brought forth is that it doesn’t do what we were told it would. I guess your strawman didn’t get boosted either. 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t see that being forth here. I think what’s brought forth is that it doesn’t do what we were told it would. I guess your strawman didn’t get boosted either. 

Biden incorrectly assured the public that the vaccinated would not get COVID-19. It was a major error for which he has never apologized. Given this error, it is perfectly plausible to envision a scenario in which someone who is skeptical of getting the vaccine has even less faith now.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Soooo, altering a definition doesn’t change the meaning of a word?

Who’s the dumbfock again?

Let me try with an example.

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dumb
adjective

1a: lacking intelligence : STUPID

You can alter this definition to be instead of "lacking intelligence" to be "displaying a lack of intelligence", which is an altered definition, but the meaning of the word hasn't changed.  Get it?  Or are you too dumb?

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t see that being forth here. I think what’s brought forth is that it doesn’t do what we were told it would. I guess your strawman didn’t get boosted either. 

I'm sorry you don't understand what a strawman is.

You asked me what's the difference between me and an anti-vaxer.  Well I'm not an anti-vaxer.  I acknowledge that vaccines are safe and effective, and I can choose to get which vaccines I want.  An anti-vaxer is someone that is opposed to vaccines and believes they are harmful.  Get it?

[Baker Boy 1,687]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Let me try with an example.

You can alter this definition to be instead of "lacking intelligence" to be "displaying a lack of intelligence", which is an altered definition, but the meaning of the word hasn't changed.  Get it?  Or are you too dumb?

 

Reductio ad absurdum

The word immunity is very different from the word protection.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I'm sorry you don't understand what a strawman is.

You asked me what's the difference between me and an anti-vaxer.  Well I'm not an anti-vaxer.  I acknowledge that vaccines are safe and effective, and I can choose to get which vaccines I want.  An anti-vaxer is someone that is opposed to vaccines and believes they are harmful.  Get it?

Yes I do. But who are you directing that at? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes I do. But who are you directing that at? 

Baker Boy for one.  There are others here.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Baker Boy for one.  There are others here.

 I acknowledge that vaccines are safe and effective, and I can choose to get which vaccines I want. I chose not to get the Covid shot and I am very happy I didn’t. How does that make me an anti-VAXer?

I never had a flu shot either, does that make me an anti-VAXer? If it is going to give me immunity, I’ll take it otherwise I don’t need it.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

On 8/14/2021 at 8:17 AM, Alias Detective said:

Vaccines are given to fight diseases, not viruses.  Until a year ago, people got flu shots, not flu vaccines.  
 

Is this anything?  Just a random morning thought.

Yeah...chock this up to random morning thoughts.

All flu shots  are vaccines

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

15 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Baker Boy for one.  There are others here.

No, Baker Boy has chosen which vaccines to put in his body. As have you. So, WTF are you getting on him for? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

 I acknowledge that vaccines are safe and effective, and I can choose to get which vaccines I want. I chose not to get the Covid shot and I am very happy I didn’t. How does that make me an anti-VAXer?

I never had a flu shot either, does that make me an anti-VAXer? If it is going to give me immunity, I’ll take it otherwise I don’t need it.

 

On 3/6/2015 at 3:27 PM, Baker Boy said:

The Polio Vaccine and others are very good but to be scared to death about getting the measles or the flu is just ignorant. This is not an all or nothing game like the board socialist make it out to be.

 

 

The current US vaccine schedule attempts to keep our children healthy by requiring 48 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of six. This is the most of any industrialized nation and the authorities seem to have no qualms about adding more vaccines to the schedule even though there has never been a large-scale scientific study to prove that the schedule does in fact improve the overall health of our children. To my way of thinking, NO vaccine should be added to the schedule as mandatory UNTIL a proper long-term scientific study has been conducted to validate its safety and effectiveness.

 

What does having the highest number of required vaccines mean for the US? In 1960, the United States infant mortality was ranked 12th in the world. By 2005, the US rank had declined to 30th. Today, we have fallen further to 34th . Six out of every 1,000 live births will die before the babies reach their first birthday. Even though the United States spends more on health care than any other developed nation, 33 other countries have better infant mortality rates than we do.

- See more at: http://www.healingourchildren.org/infant-mortality-tied-to-number-of-So

 

On 8/2/2021 at 9:02 PM, Baker Boy said:

 

Is the Virus a hoax or is the vaccine a hoax? 

 

On 2/3/2022 at 10:19 AM, Baker Boy said:

Why would I want to get a vaccine that just makes me less sick?

 

 

On 7/21/2022 at 2:12 PM, Baker Boy said:

There is no proof that the vaccine saved any lives.

 

On 12/22/2021 at 1:31 PM, Baker Boy said:

Just like the flu shot this is not a vaccine.

 

On 3/10/2022 at 1:04 PM, Baker Boy said:

The flu shot is a shot, it tells you right in the name. The Covid vaccine is also a shot just like the flu. They called it a vaccine in order to deceive the public into thinking after 2 shots they were immune. When more boosters came along people started question the vaccine so they changed the meaning of the word. 

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, Baker Boy has chosen which vaccines to put in his body. As have you. So, WTF are you getting on him for? 

He's trying to say certain vaccines are not actually vaccines.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

He's trying to say certain vaccines are not actually vaccines.

Ok well, it’s all the same to me. A bit of the virus to give you antibodies to fight the virus. I have no need for the word games. Neither should you. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He's trying to say certain vaccines are not actually vaccines.

Vaccine:

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen.

Immunity:

the state or quality of being resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen.

chinese flu: 

The "vaccine" didn't work. So it no longer was a vaccine.

 

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok well, it’s all the same to me. A bit of the virus to give you antibodies to fight the virus. I have no need for the word games. Neither should you. 

Agreed.  Baker Boy does.  Instead of saying, "That vaccine is not for me, thanks."  he's saying "It's not a vaccine it's a shot, they changed the definition of vaccine, it offers no immunity, it might be a hoax...."

Glad you can see the difference now.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

Tongue firmly planted in cheek dumbfocks.

Just own it you demented old circus monkey.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Just own it you demented old circus monkey.

I clearly smoked pot for a month that night.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Agreed.  Baker Boy does.  Instead of saying, "That vaccine is not for me, thanks."  he's saying "It's not a vaccine it's a shot, they changed the definition of vaccine, it offers no immunity, it might be a hoax...."

Glad you can see the difference now.

I am trying to tell you why the vaccine is not for me. Why do you have a problem with that?

it looks like I found a new summer home inside of Gutterboys head.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I am trying to tell you why the vaccine is not for me. Why do you have a problem with that?

it looks like I found a new summer home inside of Gutterboys head.

Well you're using lies to make that decision, which is wrong, but in the end, I really don't care.  Tardcore didn't like that I called you anti-vax, but he gets it now.  So in the end I have no problem what you do with your ow body, I just don't you don't spread your lies to others and negatively influence them.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well you're using lies to make that decision, which is wrong, but in the end, I really don't care.  Tardcore didn't like that I called you anti-vax, but he gets it now.  So in the end I have no problem what you do with your ow body, I just don't you don't spread your lies to others and negatively influence them.

Wrong. He’s not anti vax. He decides which ones to take. Just like you.  Do you get it now? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wrong. He’s not anti vax. He decides which ones to take. Just like you.  Do you get it now? 

No, he is deciding what a vaccine is.  He contradicting science and medicine.  Stop it already.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

No, he is deciding what a vaccine is.  He contradicting science and medicine.  Stop it already.

Maybe. But even that doesn’t make him anti vax. Seeing as he has taken them. I don’t like your beer with the goofy names. Does that make me anti- beer? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe. But even that doesn’t make him anti vax. Seeing as he has taken them. I don’t like your beer with the goofy names. Does that make me anti- beer? 

No, because you still call it beer.  You acknowledge it's beer, you just don't like it.

He's saying that certain vaccines are not actually vaccines.

This goes way back.  He has stated he never got a vaccine by choice.  He welched on the bet to produce his immunization log.  He's anti-vax, and you need to stop shilling for him.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

No, because you still call it beer.  You acknowledge it's beer, you just don't like it.

He's saying that certain vaccines are not actually vaccines.

This goes way back.  He has stated he never got a vaccine by choice.  He welched on the bet to produce his immunization log.  He's anti-vax, and you need to stop shilling for him.

 

Just answer me this: If he has had vaccines and doesn’t say they are all bad, then how is he anti- vax? Tell me how and I’ll give you a thumbs up. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just answer me this: If he has had vaccines and doesn’t say they are all bad, then how is he anti- vax? Tell me how and I’ll give you a thumbs up. 

The vaccines he received where given when he was a child, he had no say.  Now that he's an adult, he's chosen not to receive any vaccines, like Tetanus, Influenza, Pneumonia, etc.  In fact he's claiming they are not even vaccines.

Being anti-vax doesn't mean that your parents never gave you a vaccine, it means that you oppose the use of some or all vaccines, and question their validity.  This is exactly what he's doing.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The vaccines he received where given when he was a child, he had no say.  Now that he's an adult, he's chosen not to receive any vaccines, like Tetanus, Influenza, Pneumonia, etc.  In fact he's claiming they are not even vaccines.

Being anti-vax doesn't mean that your parents never gave you a vaccine, it means that you oppose the use of some or all vaccines, and question their validity.  This is exactly what he's doing.

Didn’t he acknowledge that vaccines can be safe and effective? The question you need to ask him is would he get the same vaccines he got as a child now, and why not if he wouldn’t? Did his children get them? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t he acknowledge that vaccines can be safe and effective? The question you need to ask him is would he get the same vaccines he got as a child now, and why not if he wouldn’t? Did his children get them? 

You can ask him, I really don't care.  He's opposed to several vaccines, he's anti-vax.  You don't like it, then go suck a d.

[RogerDodger 797]

Very generous of HT to try and help out the mental midget here, the struggles are real.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You can ask him, I really don't care.  He's opposed to several vaccines, he's anti-vax.  You don't like it, then go suck a d.

You’re opposed to several boosters. I think that makes you anti- vax as well. I wonder what you’re going to do if they start requiring them for certain locales like they did with the initial vax? 

[OldMaid 2,129]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Well look, you can't even post in complete sentences, so don't start calling other people dumb.

And no it doesn't change the meaning of the word, you're acting like a child.

And yes these shots do offer some immunity, and more importantly protection against serious illness and death.  But I know this is something anti-vaxers like yourself can't comprehend.

These idiots don’t understand that the more a virus mutates the less immunity that a vaccine will provide. Covid is a rapidly mutating virus, hence the reason why you don’t get full immunity from the vaccine. Same with the flu. 

Here’s an article about why the measles virus doesn’t escape immunity and while covid does.

https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2021/03/30/researchers-clarify-why-measles-doesnt-evolve-to-escape-immunity/

[Stryker Ryker 188]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Misinformation.

The CDC altered the definition to be more accurate.  They didn't change the meaning of the word.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061

I'm sorry but you're a dumb person.

As the only one here with an actual medical degree I’ll give my 2 cents: they changed the definition to a different meaning. The keyword is “immunity” which means you’re resistant to the disease if you have this vaccination. Example: Polio

Now, they’ve changed it to “immune response” meaning it just activates your bodies immune system to start producing antibodies. Doesn’t mean that you’re immune which is what it used to be when you got vaccines. The wording they now have turned to is cause the covid “vaccine” does t provide you immunity. Quite frankly, after the first couple of months after taking the covid vaccine it’s effectiveness drops severely (and this has all been proven through multiple studies for both left & right so you can’t claim it’s misinfo). 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

Can't we all agree that the "vaccine" is pretty worthless to those who are in good health?  Those who are in poor health should take it and distance themselves from others.  Seems like common sense to me.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

14 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

As the only one here with an actual medical degree I’ll give my 2 cents: they changed the definition to a different meaning. The keyword is “immunity” which means you’re resistant to the disease if you have this vaccination. Example: Polio

Now, they’ve changed it to “immune response” meaning it just activates your bodies immune system to start producing antibodies. Doesn’t mean that you’re immune which is what it used to be when you got vaccines. The wording they now have turned to is cause the covid “vaccine” does t provide you immunity. Quite frankly, after the first couple of months after taking the covid vaccine it’s effectiveness drops severely (and this has all been proven through multiple studies for both left & right so you can’t claim it’s misinfo). 

So before they changed the definition, how did vaccines work?  They didn't activate your bodies immune system to start producing antibodies?

[Stryker Ryker 188]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So before they changed the definition, how did vaccines work?  They didn't activate your bodies immune system to start producing antibodies?

Do you not understand that changing words changes the definition? It went from “never getting the disease” to “immune response”. Those are NOT the same things. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Do you not understand that changing words changes the definition? It went from “never getting the disease” to “immune response”. Those are NOT the same things. 

Well I asked you a question that someone with a medical degree should be able to answer.

I'll explain it to you.  No vaccine provides 100% immunity, which is why it was updated.  Vaccines have previously, and today, create an "immune response" within the provide, to provide some level of immunity.  So nothing really changed, but anti-vaxers won't let it go.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Semantics 

Generally speaking (pior to Covid) a vaccine or immunizations went hand in hand in that everyone assumed it gave you extreme 99% plus immunity from future disease.  Polio, tetanus, MMR, all the vaccines we were given historically.  Some need like one booster then you are done.  Some needed none and some like tetanus you may update every decade.   When the Covid vaccines first came out, the first 6 months or so the public was SOLD that line.  People were asking and debating if it was truly like what we were sold or was it more like the “flu shot”, where it gave you “some” protection but the strain was a guesstimate and you’d have to get one every year.  Saying that was called “disinformation” at the time.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

Semantics 

Generally speaking (pior to Covid) a vaccine or immunizations went hand in hand in that everyone assumed it gave you extreme 99% plus immunity from future disease.  Polio, tetanus, MMR, all the vaccines we were given historically.  Some need like one booster then you are done.  Some needed none and some like tetanus you may update every decade.   When the Covid vaccines first came out, the first 6 months or so the public was SOLD that line.  People were asking and debating if it was truly like what we were sold or was it more like the “flu shot”, where it gave you “some” protection but the strain was a guesstimate and you’d have to get on every year.  Saying that was called “disinformation” at the time.

 

The ignorant public assumed wrong.  Vaccines have always had varying levels of efficacy.  Instead of clinging to those false assumptions, we should acknowledge they were false and move on, not play semantics and politics.

[BuckSwope 654]

19 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Semantics 

Generally speaking (pior to Covid) a vaccine or immunizations went hand in hand in that everyone assumed it gave you extreme 99% plus immunity from future disease.  Polio, tetanus, MMR, all the vaccines we were given historically.  Some need like one booster then you are done.  Some needed none and some like tetanus you may update every decade.   When the Covid vaccines first came out, the first 6 months or so the public was SOLD that line.  People were asking and debating if it was truly like what we were sold or was it more like the “flu shot”, where it gave you “some” protection but the strain was a guesstimate and you’d have to get one every year.  Saying that was called “disinformation” at the time.

 

Of course, because the general public is largely dumb when it comes to this.   So instead of having some base knowledge of vaccines and how they work during a pandemic, or God forbid - ask a doctor, people largely got their info from talking heads and SM.   The flu was the closest thing we had for a comparison, so I don't know where people thought they would be immune, especially because of the rate of mutation.   

[seafoam1 2,799]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course, because the general public is largely dumb when it comes to this.   So instead of having some base knowledge of vaccines and how they work during a pandemic, or God forbid - ask a doctor, people largely got their info from talking heads and SM.   The flu was the closest thing we had for a comparison, so I don't know where people thought they would be immune, especially because of the rate of mutation.   

Doctors were fired for having opposing opinions to the stab.

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

The ignorant public assumed wrong.  Vaccines have always had varying levels of efficacy.  Instead of clinging to those false assumptions, we should acknowledge they were false and move on, not play semantics and politics.

Dude, the government (Fauci)  told people if you got the jab you couldn’t transmit the virus to anyone else.  Which ended up being wrong.  Why do you think people no longer trust all the “doctors” and trust less government?  

Once people found out that was a sham and you’d have to get boosters every six months every person I know stopped.  

Seems like you did the same. 

The public was misled.  Period.