justforbeer 39 Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, ST_Pete said: God you really are struggling here. Let me make it easier for you - if you are talking about coaching philosophy that is fine - stick to that. You are not though. You are talking broader politics. Hopefully that is easy enough to understand but maybe your backwater school didn't offer the basic courses that are needed to keep a conversation going here. Maybe you might want to just take a breath and chill out. Your insulting people for what? Gruden is football. It has a huge impact on the game and fantasy football. The discussion can go many ways but you sir, do not get to tell anyone what they want to say or not. This is AMERICA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, ST_Pete said: God you really are struggling here. Let me make it easier for you - if you are talking about coaching philosophy that is fine - stick to that. You are not though. You are talking broader politics. Hopefully that is easy enough to understand but maybe your backwater school didn't offer the basic courses that are needed to keep a conversation going here. You are joining the conversation instead of simply taking no interest in it. Is it severely difficult for you to not chime in on a thread that you don't like vs. clicking on one of the thousands of other threads on this site? Or maybe even start your own? You feel hurt in some way it seems. I mean, one of the Vegas players feels the need to take a day off of practice to search his feelers on the matter. Maybe you can do the same? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 Because of the right wing propaganda bubble that they live in, thereâs no greater victim in our society today than the straight white male.  Everything is stacked against them, and they have to be mad about it all the time.  They long for the âgood ole daysâ when straight white males could do/say whatever they wanted and everyone who doesnât fall into that straight white male category can just suck it up and deal with it.  Like I said earlier in the threadâŚI donât offend easily, but I also have never spent a day of my life as female, a minority, or gay.  Maybe my perception would be different if I had.  For the right wing propaganda bubble to work there was always has to be a villain or a âboogeymanâ that makes everything awful in the straight white male worldâŚmaybe just try being nice to other people and stop with the perception that everyone who doesnât look like us is out to get us, and ruin America. Rant over, and fire away.  Iâm sure itâll offend some here who claim that people just need to get over being so offended.  I probably wonât respond because arguing about politics on the internet in 2021 is uselessâŚpeople have picked a side and thereâs no convincing them otherwise. Sincerely, Straight, white male who just comes here to talk fantasy football. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Because of the right wing propaganda bubble that they live in, thereâs no greater victim in our society today than the straight white male.  Everything is stacked against them, and they have to be mad about it all the time.  They long for the âgood ole daysâ when straight white males could do/say whatever they wanted and everyone who doesnât fall into that straight white male category can just suck it up and deal with it.  Like I said earlier in the threadâŚI donât offend easily, but I also have never spent a day of my life as female, a minority, or gay.  Maybe my perception would be different if I had.  For the right wing propaganda bubble to work there was always has to be a villain or a âboogeymanâ that makes everything awful in the straight white male worldâŚmaybe just try being nice to other people and stop with the perception that everyone who doesnât look like us is out to get us, and ruin America. Rant over, and fire away.  Iâm sure itâll offend some here who claim that people just need to get over being so offended.  I probably wonât respond because arguing about politics on the internet in 2021 is uselessâŚpeople have picked a side and thereâs no convincing them otherwise. Sincerely, Straight, white male who just comes here to talk fantasy football. I find it funny how people like you who claim to be offended a lot, have no problem trying to offend people on purpose. Personally, I'm not offended by it. People have opinions and you're free to share them. I'm not looking to cancel you or get you fired. People like you on the other hand, have no problem trying to cancel people like me or get people like me fired. Offended? No, I'm not offended by you, I feel bad for you. You've been lied to your whole life and you've been brainwashed. That's a sad thing. I hope you eventually find your way. Good luck with that.  I find it ironic how you end your post with "Straight, white male who just comes here to talk fantasy football". Why do I find that ironic? Because you virtually never come here and talk fantasy football. Not saying you discuss other things, but you've been a member here since 2000 and have 210 posts. You post 10 times a year. Looks to me that you don't come here very much at all.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I find it funny how people like you who claim to be offended a lot, have no problem trying to offend people on purpose. Personally, I'm not offended by it. People have opinions and you're free to share them. I'm not looking to cancel you or get you fired. People like you on the other hand, have no problem trying to cancel people like me or get people like me fired. Offended? No, I'm not offended by you, I feel bad for you. You've been lied to your whole life and you've been brainwashed. That's a sad thing. I hope you eventually find your way. Good luck with that. Lied to by who?  The liberal college I attended that my parents paid for, with safe spaces all over campus?  MSNBC?  Theyâre almost as bad as Fox News or OAN. Iâm a combat vet who enlisted to help pay for college, and went to school at night so I could commission.  Iâve commanded units of people from all backgrounds, who came from all walks of life. You literally know nothing about me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Lied to by who?  The liberal college I attended that my parents paid for, with safe spaces all over campus?  MSNBC?  Theyâre almost as bad as Fox News or OAN. Iâm a combat vet who enlisted to help pay for college, and went to school at night so I could commission.  Iâve commanded units of people from all backgrounds, who came from all walks of life. You literally know nothing about me. I know enough, by the post you made. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 570 Posted October 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Lied to by who?  The liberal college I attended that my parents paid for, with safe spaces all over campus?  MSNBC?  Theyâre almost as bad as Fox News or OAN. Iâm a combat vet who enlisted to help pay for college, and went to school at night so I could commission.  Iâve commanded units of people from all backgrounds, who came from all walks of life. You literally know nothing about me. Why are you so quick to assume that straight white males are only influenced by a â right wing propaganda bubbleâ?  Are you suggesting that there are no SWM that are influenced by the political left? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, jrokh said: Why are you so quick to assume that straight whit males are only influenced by a â right wing propaganda bubbleâ?  Are you suggesting that there are no SWM that are influenced by the political left? It's also amusing that he's calling out conservatives as claiming to be victims all the while the bulk of the liberal party is made up of "victims". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 570 Posted October 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: It's also amusing that he's calling out conservatives as claiming to be victims all the while the entire liberal party is made up of "victims". Hypocrisy abounds. I just donât get it though. Maybe Iâm in the minority but I know way more people who are SWM that are influenced by the left than the right. So I donât know where that stigma originates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, jrokh said: Hypocrisy abounds. I just donât get it though. Maybe Iâm in the minority but I know way more people who are SWM that are influenced by the left than the right. So I donât know where that stigma originates. Propaganda. The media "reports" it and they masses follow.   He calls out MSNBC along with FOX and OAN, but doesn't apparently realize that over 80% of the media slants liberal... as if he calls out one liberal media outlet, he's treating them all equally. Heck, if he just watches his regular news, he's watching a liberal outlet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, jrokh said: Why are you so quick to assume that straight white males are only influenced by a â right wing propaganda bubbleâ?  Are you suggesting that there are no SWM that are influenced by the political left? Sure there are.  It goes both ways. I just know from personal experience that I have literally hundreds of people on social media who look like me, who I worked with or were stationed with over the years.  I see all the same talking points in their social media posts that I see in this threadâŚcancel cultureâŚwokeâŚall the same buzzwords.  90% of those posts come from straight white males.  The other 10% are straight white females. Iâve also got hundreds I knew/know who I follow who arenât white or straight or male.  Some occasionally rant with left wing talking points, but the ratio is nowhere near what I see coming from the right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 570 Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, makindollaz said: Sure there are.  It goes both ways. I just know from personal experience that I have literally hundreds of people on social media who look like me, who I worked with or were stationed with over the years.  I see all the same talking points in their social media posts that I see in this threadâŚcancel cultureâŚwokeâŚall the same buzzwords.  90% of those posts come from straight white males.  The other 10% are straight white females. Iâve also got hundreds I knew/know who I follow who arenât white or straight or male.  Some occasionally rant with left wing talking points, but the ratio is nowhere near what I see coming from the right. Whatever going back to your original sentence  35 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Because of the right wing propaganda bubble that they liveďťż in, thďťżereâďťżs no ďťżgreater victim in our society today than the straight white mďťżaďťżle. ďťż That is not only nonsense, but an inversion of whatâs actually happening. Regardless, you made your point, however ridiculous it may be. Moving on⌠1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, jrokh said: That is not only nonsense, but an inversion of whatâs actually happening. Regardless, you made your point, however ridiculous it may be. Moving on⌠Likewise.  Iâll go about my day knowing Iâm not a victim, and knowing thereâs no coordinated effort by the boogeyman left to strip me of my rights. On to more important mattersâŚlike worrying about how bad Antonio Brown will hurt me tonight in the 3 leagues Iâm playing against him in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 11 hours ago, ST_Pete said: FFS lock this thread already Mike. You *insert whatever here* are talking politics on a fantasy football thread. If someone wants to talk about how this affects Ruggs going forward I am all ears. That last comment was my attempt at sarcasm and I mention it here because some obviously can not comprehend that. "*insert whatever here*"? LOL. Nice way to pretend to not insult people. That said, I am a bit surprised that Mike hasn't either locked, deleted, or moved this thread over to the Geek Club, by now. Maybe he's just giving it time and figures it'll die out like other threads... which it will. I think by and large, people have made their views known on the topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 570 Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Likewise.  Iâll go about my day knowing Iâm not a victim, and knowing thereâs no coordinated effort by the boogeyman left to strip me of my rights. On to more important mattersâŚlike worrying about how bad Antonio Brown will hurt me tonight in the 3 leagues Iâm playing against him in. Anyone who submits their will to the collective, sometimes known as âthe publicâ or âthey or them׳ instead of their own, is a victim in practice. This is regardless of ideology, ethnicity, gender, or anything else. As for AB, I think he has a good but not great game. 5-75- 1td. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,515 Posted October 14, 2021 Maybe Iâm wrong about this, but I saw that Gruden was the play caller for the offense, so I wonder if he knew before the this issue was coming before the story broke, the Raiders where avg 30 points per game their first three games , last two games 11.5 points per game. And D Carr was a day  28 ff points per game, last two games 14.  So now Iâm wondering how this will effect their offense going forward.  I read a story on espn how upset D Carr was about this situation and losing Gruden.  I wonder how much this issue will spilt this team , everyone will have their side Iâm sure.  I like what Carr said, what now go back and check out all emails from nfl owners and staff members and players. If they where all judged by what is said on the field during a game, there wouldnât be any games this weekend.   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: I find it ironic how you end your post with "Straight, white male who just comes here to talk fantasy football". Why do I find that ironic? Because you virtually never come here and talk fantasy football. Not saying you discuss other things, but you've been a member here since 2000 and have 210 posts. You post 10 times a year. Looks to me that you don't come here very much at all.  Youâre right, I donât.  Set up my account over 20 years ago, because back then there were quite a few fellow Redskin (and that term doesnât offend me) fans on the board, and Iâd correspond with them. I played fantasy football the whole time, but not as fanatic as the last couple of years, when my sons grew up and we all play in several leagues together.  I probably went 10 years posting nothing at all when they were much younger. Even now I donât post daily, but do check the board a couple of times a day for any nuggets I miss on Twitter or through my notification apps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Simms 11 127 Posted October 14, 2021 Itâs amusing how Gruden being fired somehow is controlled by boneheaded Biden or Tyrant Trump, in reality the commish was butthurt about being called a pu$$y and these emails were somehow released to the Times.  Sure, Gruden is a fool and has to pay for it but this whole thing was initiated by cry baby commish.   How are the raiders going to look? Fall apart or be fired up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SexyRexy 60 Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:02 PM, Utilit99 said: Meh. Emails. How did he treat his players and coworkers? So many people care more about words probably taken out of context than they do actual actions of some people. Loved having Gruden back in the league. This is a bummer. I'm not sure how you can say the words he used were taken out of context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, SexyRexy said: I'm not sure how you can say the words he used were taken out of context. I haven't seen them posted anywhere. Maybe I'm just missing the posts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ST_Pete 3 Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, weepaws said: Maybe Iâm wrong about this, but I saw that Gruden was the play caller for the offense, so I wonder if he knew before the this issue was coming before the story broke, the Raiders where avg 30 points per game their first three games , last two games 11.5 points per game. And D Carr was a day  28 ff points per game, last two games 14.  So now Iâm wondering how this will effect their offense going forward.  I read a story on espn how upset D Carr was about this situation and losing Gruden.  I wonder how much this issue will spilt this team , everyone will have their side Iâm sure.  I like what Carr said, what now go back and check out all emails from nfl owners and staff members and players. If they where all judged by what is said on the field during a game, there wouldnât be any games this weekend.   This is actually a very good post and a very relevant discussion. Whether I agree with what Carr said is irrelevant here. Thank you for this post - we needed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SexyRexy 60 Posted October 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: I haven't seen them posted anywhere. Maybe I'm just missing the posts? he called goddell a , a , and said that fischer was forced to take a player bc they were gay. kinda ridiculous to defend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 570 Posted October 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, SexyRexy said: he called goddell a , a , and said that fischer was forced to take a player bc they were gay. kinda ridiculous to defend. Is there a public transcript of the emails somewhere? If so provide the link⌠Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, SexyRexy said: he called goddell a , a , and said that fischer was forced to take a player bc they were gay. kinda ridiculous to defend. Kind of ridiculous to even care about it. I find it hard to believe that anyone in the league has not said similar things about someone else at any point in their lives. And was Gruden wrong in what he wrote or did it just hurts someone's feelers? Going through people's emails is bull crap. People have the wrong priorities in this woke world of ours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 39 Posted October 14, 2021 I actually love to hate the Raiders at times because after leaving Oakland, Mark Davis and that team will deal with tremendous highs and tremendous lows. Just like a weekend in Vegas.  After about three days, you typically feel like youâve got to get out quick or the city will eat you alive. How long have they been there now? Gruden is lucky to get out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Simms 11 127 Posted October 14, 2021 Gruden was in the wrong AND he hurt someoneâs feelings. Someone else did something similar but got away with it isnât much of a point, yes the one that got away with it should also have consequences.  Also, they wonât release the full transcript so the media can control the narrativeâŚor maybe some legal reason.  I think Gruden should have been able to do a mea culpa and continued coaching but no idea the dynamic of the players, maybe he lost too many of them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 4 hours ago, makindollaz said: Lied to by who?  The liberal college I attended that my parents paid for, with safe spaces all over campus?  MSNBC?  Theyâre almost as bad as Fox News or OAN. Iâm a combat vet who enlisted to help pay for college, and went to school at night so I could commission.  Iâve commanded units of people from all backgrounds, who came from all walks of life. You literally know nothing about me. What do you know about everyone else on this site? All you really know is what you make up in your head. What exactly was said in the emails? From all the ones that you read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: What do you know about everyone else on this site? All you really know is what you make up in your head. Youâre rightâŚI donât any of you personally. But what I read in the first couple of pages of this thread are exactly what I see 100x a day on Facebook & Instagram & Twitter from past/current acquaintancesâŚsame buzzword phrases, same talking points, same manufactured anger.  Guess what almost all have in common?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ST_Pete 3 Posted October 14, 2021 5 hours ago, makindollaz said: Lied to by who?  The liberal college I attended that my parents paid for, with safe spaces all over campus?  MSNBC?  Theyâre almost as bad as Fox News or OAN. Iâm a combat vet who enlisted to help pay for college, and went to school at night so I could commission.  Iâve commanded units of people from all backgrounds, who came from all walks of life. You literally know nothing about me. Just want to say thank you for your service. I think being in a leadership position where you have to command folks from all different backgrounds and beliefs helps to open the lens a bit. You don't have to be a member of either political party to understand a very easy point - words can and do offend people. Just because a particular comment does not offend the particular group you may belong to, that does not mean it will not or does not offend another.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,948 Posted October 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Youâre rightâŚI donât any of you personally. But what I read in the first couple of pages of this thread are exactly what I see 100x a day on Facebook & Instagram & Twitter from past/current acquaintancesâŚsame buzzword phrases, same talking points, same manufactured anger.  Guess what almost all have in common?  I give up. What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronghorn 0 Posted October 14, 2021 4 hours ago, makindollaz said: " knowing thereâs no coordinated effort by the boogeyman left to strip me of my rights." Â After the last 9 months, please tell me you don't really believe this statement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Phil Simms 11 said: Gruden was in the wrong AND he hurt someoneâs feelings. Someone else did something similar but got away with it isnât much of a point, yes the one that got away with it should also have consequences.  Also, they wonât release the full transcript so the media can control the narrativeâŚor maybe some legal reason.  I think Gruden should have been able to do a mea culpa and continued coaching but no idea the dynamic of the players, maybe he lost too many of them. My issue is that the message that's being sent out is... Yes, you're allowed to sexually and/or physically assault women, you may be suspended for a few weeks, but you get to keep your job and go about life as usual... but don't you dare hurt anyone's feelings! If you do that, you're out! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Youâre rightâŚI donât any of you personally. But what I read in the first couple of pages of this thread are exactly what I see 100x a day on Facebook & Instagram & Twitter from past/current acquaintancesâŚsame buzzword phrases, same talking points, same manufactured anger.  Guess what almost all have in common?  Yeah. I don't ever use facebook or the other two unless I see maybe a twitter comment embedded in some news article and the like so I don't know much about that. But this whole attack on Gruden rubs me the wrong way. Why did he get hired back into the league in the first place if he is such a bad guy? And if he wrote these emails years ago who is digging them up and why are they coming out with this now? Players get a lot more leeway. To get booted from the league you literally have to kill someone and be charged guilty in the courts. And I know Gruden just said screw it and quit but his name was dragged through the mud by someone who wanted him destroyed. Why didn't the person he sent them to immediately out him 10 years ago?   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, pronghorn said: After the last 9 months, please tell me you don't really believe this statement? Not for a second. I wonât pretend to be the biggest supporter of Biden or this Admin, but âcancel cultureâ is a made up âcrisisâ. There are WAY more important things to focus on domestically and internationally. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Yeah. I don't ever use facebook or the other two unless I see maybe a twitter comment embedded in some news article and the like so I don't know much about that. But this whole attack on Gruden rubs me the wrong way. Why did he get hired back into the league in the first place if he is such a bad guy? And if he wrote these emails years ago who is digging them up and why are they coming out with this now? Players get a lot more leeway. To get booted from the league you literally have to kill someone and be charged guilty in the courts. And I know Gruden just said screw it and quit but his name was dragged through the mud by someone who wanted him destroyed. Why didn't the person he sent them to immediately out him 10 years ago?   Some valid points, and I donât disagree completely.  That said, if he hadnât said it/wrote it, heâd have a job.  Own itâŚdonât screw up and then blame someone else because another guy did something questionable too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Not for a second. I wonât pretend to be the biggest supporter of Biden or this Admin, but âcancel cultureâ is a made up âcrisisâ. There are WAY more important things to focus on domestically and internationally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,948 Posted October 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Not for a second. I wonât pretend to be the biggest supporter of Biden or this Admin, but âcancel cultureâ is a made up âcrisisâ. There are WAY more important things to focus on domestically and internationally. Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted October 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, makindollaz said: Not for a second. I wonât pretend to be the biggest supporter of Biden or this Admin, but âcancel cultureâ is a made up âcrisisâ. There are WAY more important things to focus on domestically and internationally. People were tearing statues down all last summer, and I think another one recently. One school in Seattle is cancelling Halloween this year because they called it racist. There are 100s of things going on in this country every day that cancel culture is at the center of it. But that's a topic not for fantasy football so I don't want to get off track of the Raiders here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,198 Posted October 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Wow. I know, right. He is literally posting in a thread that is an example of "Cancel Culture" and he says he thinks it's made up. This is from a guy who's in a position of leadership! That is very disconcerting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites