Ukraine - Doomsday

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Well I think the thing of it Sean, is that gas prices over the past year were already ballooning before the war started eleven or so days ago and these sanctions a few minutes ago. Also, people weren't terribly happy when Biden* turned to Venezuela first for oil to offset the loss of Russian oil rather than domestic and Canadian sources. Halting construction of that Keystone pipeline is on Biden as is the lack of drilling leases for sites in the US.  I do agree that any new spike from this action shouldn't be shouldered entirely by the Biden regime for the reasons you point out, but up to this point is fair game. I have a feeling that we will see this will get blurred and conflated in the upcoming weeks... Biden and the MSM will claim it was always Russia's fault that the gas prices went up, while the GOP will have to remind people that 13 months of high gas prices were already in place before the invasion occurred.

Overall, I think the Biden* people have responded pretty dang impressively since the war started actually. Before the war it was a mixed bag, mostly negative. Biden* himself is a fool for the leadup signaling that Putin may be able to carve up a small slice of two provinces with little repercussion and also for tipping his hat that US troops would not interfere before the attack occurred. That "no interference" decision may or may not have been the right decision, but either way, you don't want Putin to know that. In fairness, Team Biden* correctly anticipated the invasions and gets credit for the timely warning for folks to leave in the week prior.

What's with all the random * in your long-winded commie gibberish nonsense? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Now I get it. You are one of those people who “can’t see the forest for the trees”.

 

U.S. Sends Delegation To Venezuela As It Mulls Over Russia Oil Import Ban

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Sends-Delegation-To-Venezuela-As-It-Mulls-Over-Russia-Oil-Import-Ban.html

Voltaire Astaire* said Biden* had met* with Venezuela*, but Biden did* not meet with* Venezuela.

A* U.S. delegation met* with Venezuela representatives.

 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Guys, Rusty the Clown has so little going on that he uses trolling as a time waster daily.

Don't feed the troll.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Guys, Rusty the Clown has so little going on that he uses trolling as a time waster daily.

Don't feed the troll.  

He's down to the semantics game.  Our admin met with Venezuela under Biden's orders.  It's a fact.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Voltaire Astaire* said Biden* had met* with Venezuela*, but Biden did* not meet with* Venezuela.

A* U.S. delegation met* with Venezuela representatives.

 

Exactly, you are picking at straws. The Biden Administration sent a delegation to Venezuela. It doesn’t matter if Biden was there, he is useless anyway. We are also ready to give Iran a new new deal to get oil from them. The bottom line is the Biden Administration is negotiating with with these countries rather than increased production here.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

We lost Drobeski and got back Rusty. It’s like losing Trump and getting back Biden. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

34 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Republicans will fight for lower gas prices here.  Progressives will tell us we need to get off oil.  Just watch.

We need to get off of our over dependence on oil. There will still need to be, and always need to be, some fossil fuels. But we need to add some more weapons to our energy arsenal. 

27 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Who are the Republicans I should blame?

We will find out the specific names later this week when they vote but there was plenty of talk that there were Republicans on board with it. 

20 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Well I think the thing of it Sean, is that gas prices over the past year were already ballooning before the war started eleven or so days ago and these sanctions a few minutes ago. Also, people weren't terribly happy when Biden* turned to Venezuela first for oil to offset the loss of Russian oil rather than domestic and Canadian sources. Halting construction of that Keystone pipeline is on Biden as is the lack of drilling leases for sites in the US.  I do agree that any new spike from this action shouldn't be shouldered entirely by the Biden regime for the reasons you point out, but up to this point is fair game. I have a feeling that we will see this will get blurred and conflated in the upcoming weeks... Biden and the MSM will claim it was always Russia's fault that the gas prices went up, while the GOP will have to remind people that 13 months of high gas prices were already in place before the invasion occurred.

Overall, I think the Biden* people have responded pretty dang impressively since the war started actually. Before the war it was a mixed bag, mostly negative. Biden* himself is a fool for the leadup signaling that Putin may be able to carve up a small slice of two provinces with little repercussion and also for tipping his hat that US troops would not interfere before the attack occurred. That "no interference" decision may or may not have been the right decision, but either way, you don't want Putin to know that. In fairness, Team Biden* correctly anticipated the invasions and gets credit for the timely warning for folks to leave in the week prior.

The one thing that I think can be nailed to Biden is the complete turning away from drilling in the US. WE need to be drilling in some spaces for stuff to help offset. The pipeline stuff means very little considering the pipeline is still running. All they did was turn away a revised Keystone pipeline. There is still after effects of the supply and demand changing for oil and that is affecting prices in addition to some sites still not being online and OPEC refusing to up their production (which in some cases they can't.) But I recognize that the visual narrative is "Gas Prices were X and now they are Y...." problem for the left is they have never figured out how to control the narrative of the "Why the prices are now Y"

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

What good is drilling if you don’t have a pipeline to move it? Profit margin sinks without the pipeline. 

[Bert 1,128]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The pipeline stuff means very little considering the pipeline is still running. All they did was turn away a revised Keystone pipeline. 

This is completely incorrect.  The pipeline that was canceled was Keystone XL.  XL was an expansion of TC Energy's Keystone system.  XL would have moved an additional 800,000 barrels a day over what that current keystone system is moving. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What good is drilling if you don’t have a pipeline to move it? Profit margin sinks without the pipeline. 

The Keystone pipeline is still there...It's still moving oil through. 

3 minutes ago, Bert said:

This is completely incorrect.  The pipeline that was canceled was Keystone XL.  XL was an expansion of TC Energy's Keystone system.  XL would have moved an additional 800,000 barrels a day over what that current keystone system is moving. 

I know what was canceled. The Keystone XL pipeline was an extension of the already existing Keystone pipeline. Essentially the same amount of oil that was coming into the country before is still coming in now. The oil that would go through the pipeline is still able to be transported in other ways so it can still be moved. and the pipeline would not be ready yet and would not necessarily move over 800,000 barrels a day nor is there any guarantee those producers would sell the oil here. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

21 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The one thing that I think can be nailed to Biden is the complete turning away from drilling in the US. WE need to be drilling in some spaces for stuff to help offset.

 

We are drilling. The number of drilling rigs is up 61% year over year. we are also producing a near record amount of domestic oil. It is not enough though.

https://rigcount.bakerhughes.com/

 

In my opinion this is the one thing that Biden is getting blamed for that he should not be. Ukraine fine, Afghanistan fine, terrible bills that failed congress fine, screwing up the FCC fine, calling for an end to remote work, focking roast that bastard.

But the oil prices and domestic production would have happened the same way regardless of who was potus.

[Bert 1,128]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I know what was canceled. The Keystone XL pipeline was an extension of the already existing Keystone pipeline. Essentially the same amount of oil that was coming into the country before is still coming in now. The oil that would go through the pipeline is still able to be transported in other ways so it can still be moved. and the pipeline would not be ready yet and would not necessarily move over 800,000 barrels a day nor is there any guarantee those producers would sell the oil here. 

That is not correct.  The oil is much more expensive and higher risk to move in ways other than a pipeline thus making it more expensive.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

We need to get off of our over dependence on oil. 

Why?  We have tons of it, the world has tons of it. We should use it while we are searching for a suitable alternative, not limit it while we search.  And please don't come back at me with some sort of climate change argument to deflect the discussion elsewhere. No other viable energy source has yet to be found better for the environment. 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

When was the XL pipeline expected to be completed.  Looks like they barely had it started when Biden stopped it.

[Bert 1,128]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

When was the XL pipeline expected to be completed.  Looks like they barely had it started when Biden stopped it.

2017.  The entire Keystone system started in 2010.  XL was the last phase of the project.  Obama delayed the project in 2015.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[Voltaire 5,322]

22 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden didn't meet with Venezuela, commie nitwit. 

From your own story:

The last president to travel to Venezuela was Bill Clinton in October 1997.

'https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/travels/president/venezuela

I'm like one of my cats, with you being one of those poor little bugs that pick the wrong house to get into and wind up getting batted around like a hockey puck.

Go to bed. 

Here we go again.

There are certain traps that low IQ retards walk into without knowing they set them off. And you just unknowingly set another off.

Again.

Yes, even you do, somehow, realize that Biden* is not personally going to Venezuela. So, congratulations of getting that much right. 

The thing that the adults recognize about Joe Biden* is that we don't know from one appearance to the next what we're going to get from him. Sometimes he's there mentally decent enough, able to read the teleprompter lucidly enough to string sentences together correctly. At other times, his mental state more resembles yours. We've seen both from him. Just how much control he has over his agenda is up for speculation. Forgive me, I know I'm using big word, but I'm also addressing people who aren't retarded.

Anyway, Biden* does little personally because what he's capable of accomplishing is greatly diminished. Between his energy level as well as physical and mental state, he has limitations. What he can do (and does) and how the government is functioning is appoint subordinates to act on his behalf. For good or bad, whatever they accomplish or fail to accomplish reflects on him. For example, since the war started, I would say that Biden* has done a good job of uniting the world and getting aid to Ukraine. How much of that is due to the actions of Joe Biden himself? Probably next to none. But since NATO countries are uniting and the flow of supplies and equipment to Ukraine is going well while the sanctions are also coming into place, that reflects well on the boss in charge of all of that. The team of people he put in charge are making things happen and that reflects well on their boss. When things go to sh*t, like the Afghanistan withdrawal, that reflects negatively on the boss in charge. He gets the roses or he gets the thorns.

So of course Biden* isn't going to Venezuela. He doesn't need to. But a team of American officials chosen by him and responsible for him is going there. They're looking for oil to replace the oil taken off the market out of Russia. What they do there is correctly credited to him. Meanwhile, in Switzerland, he also has a team (of clueless idiots) negotiating with Iran right now and early signs this'll be another disaster. That'll reflect on him too. Biden* is a brand, not just a human vegetable.

You did use "Go to Bed" correctly this time. I agree that I should and I will within a half hour.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, Bert said:

That is not correct.  The oil is much more expensive and higher risk to move in ways other than a pipeline thus making it more expensive.  

More expensive is a different argument that the same amount of oil is still coming through the pipeline- which is 100% accurate. 

Please provide where you are seeing about 800,000 barrels a day more and all the other stuff about the pipeline being ready to go right now if Biden didn't cancel it and all that. Thanks in advance.

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Why?  We have tons of it, the world has tons of it. We should use it while we are searching for a suitable alternative, not limit it while we search.  And please don't come back at me with some sort of climate change argument to deflect the discussion elsewhere. No other viable energy source has yet to be found better for the environment. 

You are saying what I'm saying. I'm not saying get rid of all oil but I do think we need to look at other methods of energy production. Again- if we had more viable options right now it would lessen the impact of what is going on in the world. 

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

When was the XL pipeline expected to be completed.  Looks like they barely had it started when Biden stopped it.

It was like 6-8% done at the time it was halted. Not sure when they officially started any production but it was probably 4-5 years away and that is without any sense of court cases or all that stuff dragging the process out. 

So really- it wouldn't be helping us any right now. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Heard an oil guy saythis morning they could have the pipeline up in 8 months. It was on the radio, don’t know who he was, picked it up after it started. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

It’s so great that the same amount of oil is flowing as much as it did before. Too bad we need more than that. WTF do you think they were building a pipeline for, Mooney? To get the same amount or, wait for it, more? 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

27 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

We need to get off of our over dependence on oil.

Correct, but it should be an evolution rather than a revolution! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

We should expand a highway so we can have the same amount of cars on it. Mooney logic. 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Please provide where you are seeing about 800,000 barrels a day more and all the other stuff about the pipeline being ready to go right now if Biden didn't cancel it and all that. Thanks in advance.

What Is Keystone XL?

The Keystone XL pipeline extension, proposed by TC Energy (then TransCanada) in 2008, was initially designed to transport the planet’s dirtiest fossil fuel, tar sands oil, to market—and fast. As an expansion of the company’s existing Keystone Pipeline System, which has been operating since 2010 (and continues to send Canadian tar sands crude oil from Alberta to various processing hubs in the middle of the United States), the pipeline promised to dramatically increase capacity to process the 168 billion barrels of crude oil locked up under Canada’s boreal forest. It was expected to transport 830,000 barrels of Alberta tar sands oil per day to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What Is Keystone XL?

The Keystone XL pipeline extension, proposed by TC Energy (then TransCanada) in 2008, was initially designed to transport the planet’s dirtiest fossil fuel, tar sands oil, to market—and fast. As an expansion of the company’s existing Keystone Pipeline System, which has been operating since 2010 (and continues to send Canadian tar sands crude oil from Alberta to various processing hubs in the middle of the United States), the pipeline promised to dramatically increase capacity to process the 168 billion barrels of crude oil locked up under Canada’s boreal forest. It was expected to transport 830,000 barrels of Alberta tar sands oil per day to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas.

Is this coming from NRDC? 

[Voltaire 5,322]

48 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

What's with all the random * in your long-winded commie gibberish nonsense? 

The asterisks are from baseball, where I feel they were inappropriately used. It's a rather sad story, actually. Most people at a FF site like this are fans of other sports as well and will recognize their significance. But it does take a decently high amount of knowledge of baseball lore to recognize what they mean, which is why it's no surprise that you don't know about them. I mean, since you don't seem to know anything about anything else, I wouldn't be expected for you to know anything about baseball either.

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Is this coming from NRDC? 

Yes

[Bert 1,128]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What Is Keystone XL?

The Keystone XL pipeline extension, proposed by TC Energy (then TransCanada) in 2008, was initially designed to transport the planet’s dirtiest fossil fuel, tar sands oil, to market—and fast. As an expansion of the company’s existing Keystone Pipeline System, which has been operating since 2010 (and continues to send Canadian tar sands crude oil from Alberta to various processing hubs in the middle of the United States), the pipeline promised to dramatically increase capacity to process the 168 billion barrels of crude oil locked up under Canada’s boreal forest. It was expected to transport 830,000 barrels of Alberta tar sands oil per day to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas.

I guess Mooney forgot Biden was part of the administration that initially delayed the project in 2015.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s so great that the same amount of oil is flowing as much as it did before. Too bad we need more than that. WTF do you think they were building a pipeline for, Mooney? To get the same amount or, wait for it, more? 

Again...you are so simplistic in your thinking yet you think you are intelligent. Anyway- still too big a chickensh!t to go answer my other question I see. 

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Correct, but it should be an evolution rather than a revolution! 

Agreed....you can't just decide one day "No more oil...here comes solar/wind/etc" But you can try to phase some things out while advancing new technologies to support what is there. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Agreed....you can't just decide one day "No more oil...here comes solar/wind/etc" But you can try to phase some things out while advancing new technologies to support what is there. 

But we aren’t doing that. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The asterisks are from baseball, where I feel they were inappropriately used. It's a rather sad story, actually. Most people at a FF site like this are fans of other sports as well and will recognize their significance. But it does take a decently high amount of knowledge of baseball lore to recognize what they mean, which is why it's no surprise that you don't know about them. I mean, since you don't seem to know anything about anything else, I wouldn't be expected for you to know anything about baseball either.

Well, you think the Strategic Reserve solely is for military purposes and that Biden went to Venezuela, so anything having to do with "decently high amount of knowledge" doesn't apply to you, Voltaire Astaire*.

 

 

 

*Commie nitwit.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What Is Keystone XL?

The Keystone XL pipeline extension, proposed by TC Energy (then TransCanada) in 2008, was initially designed to transport the planet’s dirtiest fossil fuel, tar sands oil, to market—and fast. As an expansion of the company’s existing Keystone Pipeline System, which has been operating since 2010 (and continues to send Canadian tar sands crude oil from Alberta to various processing hubs in the middle of the United States), the pipeline promised to dramatically increase capacity to process the 168 billion barrels of crude oil locked up under Canada’s boreal forest. It was expected to transport 830,000 barrels of Alberta tar sands oil per day to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas.

Again though- that oil can still be transported other ways....and there is still oil coming through the pipeline. It just isn't necessarily getting to the Gulf Coast through the pipeline

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Ain’t know way, no how we are still producing oil at pre Covid levels. You idiots that let Psaki mislead you on that need to wake up or shut up.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

I guess Mooney forgot Biden was part of the administration that initially delayed the project in 2015.

Find your other links then check back with me. 

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

But we aren’t doing that. 

I agree. We should be though. I'll be very clear "Let's do away with all fossil fuels and go to solar" is an unrealistic, unfeasible, and losing message. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again though- that oil can still be transported other ways....and there is still oil coming through the pipeline. It just isn't necessarily getting to the Gulf Coast through the pipeline

Dumb as dirt. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ain’t know way, no how we are still producing oil at pre Covid levels. You idiots that let Psaki mislead you on that need to wake up or shut up.  

I have fooking said that too you dope. There are refineries still shut down. There are still places not running at full capacity. I know you "listen to the radio and some guy said they could build the pipeline in 8 months..." and take that as gospel but do some more reading and sh!t dawg

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Biden declared war on fossil fuels. Banks stopped lending for it. They are more worried about their ESG score. You can’t even get on the nasdaq without a high ESG score. If you don’t know what an ESG score is, stfu. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I have fooking said that too you dope. There are refineries still shut down. There are still places not running at full capacity. I know you "listen to the radio and some guy said they could build the pipeline in 8 months..." and take that as gospel but do some more reading and sh!t dawg

I didn’t take it as gospel. You made that up. I said I heard. Never said it was true. Child. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

I guess Mooney forgot Biden was part of the administration that initially delayed the project in 2015.

You know more about this kind of stuff than anyone here, I imagine. 

From what I understand, Canadian tar sands already are flowing through pipelines to refineries in Houston, and tar sands are not the favorite thing for refineries to refine. The Keystone would have been a complementary pipeline to bring in more tar sands, and the refined tar sands would have been a foreign export. 

So other than the speculative/mental aspect of not having an extra pipeline, how would the Keystone actually lower pump prices? And how much less cost-effective is it to transport the oil via railroad or truck? Would we be putting people (truckers, etc.) out of work if that Keystone is built?

I've never had a problem with the pipeline or pipelines in general. There are so many of them, what's one more? 

Look at all these focking pipelines. 

https://submar.com/where-are-pipelines-located-almost-everywhere/

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

It's also important to note that the oil companies could lower prices and still make a killing. Last year the top 24 gas/oil companies made 174 billion dollars in net income.

 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

31 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

You did use "Go to Bed" correctly this time. I agree that I should and I will within a half hour.