IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 21, 2024 10 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Ukraine is one of the biggest human trafficking countries on the planet. Another word for human trafficking is slavery. They are right up there with Africa. Who cares as long as the rest of East Europe takes care of their own? They could make it hell for Russia if they actually wanted to participate in doing so. And what the heck is the rest of Europe doing? Why the US is sending so much money and supplies there makes no sense. What does trafficking have to do with anything here? We’re talking defense of US national security interests. That’s NATO. Taking Ukraine puts Russia right on NATO’s doorstep. To say nothing of the broader implications. If we’re not even willing to fund Ukraine’s fight, where our own soldiers aren’t even involved and the actual risk to us is minimal, how in the hell can we be relied upon to show up and fight with American lives if a NATO ally is attacked? And why would we want to be put in that position vs funding a proxy war that requires no sacrifice of American lives? Then there are our other allies like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. How are they going to feel secure in our coming to their defense, when we refuse to even fund a no-brainer proxy battle for NATO security? If you’re in South America or Africa, who are you looking to for safety then? Apparently it ain’t us. And Europe is funding it, btw. Even to a greater extent than us on a percentage of GDP basis. It just happens that we’re the richest country in the world (because we are the world leader), and so with that comes greater responsibility. The answer is not to shirk it and it’d be stupid to do so as we will NOT be the richest nation in the world if we simply cede our role as world leader to China, as MAGA apparently wants to do. If you want to deal with trafficking then do so. That’s what the UN etc is for. Frankly it sounds like a Putin talking point to me, but if it’s a real issue it’s separate and apart from this one. Believe me Russia is not going to turn Ukraine into a bastion of human rights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 21, 2024 Russia isn’t taking over Ukraine. Stop it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: What does trafficking have to do with anything here? We’re talking defense of US national security interests. That’s NATO. Taking Ukraine puts Russia right on NATO’s doorstep. To say nothing of the broader implications. If we’re not even willing to fund Ukraine’s fight, where our own soldiers aren’t even involved and the actual risk to us is minimal, how in the hell can we be relied upon to show up and fight with American lives if a NATO ally is attacked? And why would we want to be put in that position vs funding a proxy war that requires no sacrifice of American lives? Then there are our other allies like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. How are they going to feel secure in our coming to their defense, when we refuse to even fund a no-brainer proxy battle for NATO security? If you’re in South America or Africa, who are you looking to for safety then? Apparently it ain’t us. And Europe is funding it, btw. Even to a greater extent than us on a percentage of GDP basis. It just happens that we’re the richest country in the world (because we are the world leader), and so with that comes greater responsibility. The answer is not to shirk it and it’d be stupid to do so as we will NOT be the richest nation in the world if we simply cede our role as world leader to China, as MAGA apparently wants to do. If you want to deal with trafficking then do so. That’s what the UN etc is for. Frankly it sounds like a Putin talking point to me, but if it’s a real issue it’s separate and apart from this one. Believe me Russia is not going to turn Ukraine into a bastion of human rights Everything. They are shlt-filled nation and Europe needs to step up but no, they know that the liberals in this country will spend and try to do their dirty work for them. Time to get those countries involved by telling them to step it up if they don't like it. Why does the US have to deplete our resources for that shlthole? Oh yeah, because hunter biden needs his money to buy his coke. And 10% for the big guy. This country needs to focus on itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Everything. They are shlt-filled nation and Europe needs to step up but no, they know that the liberals in this country will spend and try to do their dirty work for them. Time to get those countries involved by telling them to step it up if they don't like it. Why does the US have to deplete our resources for that shlthole? Oh yeah, because hunter biden needs his money to buy his coke. And 10% for the big guy. This country needs to focus on itself. That’s a very myopic view that could well lead to our downfall. The world needs American leadership, and we benefit greatly from being the world leader. Certainly much more than if, say, China were running the show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 21, 2024 6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: That’s a very myopic view that could well lead to our downfall. The world needs American leadership, and we benefit greatly from being the world leader. Certainly much more than if, say, China were running the show Yeah. "Leadership" isn't what this is. Preventing it from happening in the first place is leadership. Russia saw biden coming and took advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 21, 2024 5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Yeah. "Leadership" isn't what this is. Preventing it from happening in the first place is leadership. Russia saw biden coming and took advantage. That doesn’t even make sense. MAGA wants to cede Ukraine to Russia, Biden doesn’t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 21, 2024 1 minute ago, IGotWorms said: That doesn’t even make sense. MAGA wants to cede Ukraine to Russia, Biden doesn’t Who is MAGA? What is this pitiful reference to constantly? Can you speak English? Or no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 21, 2024 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: Who is MAGA? Weak. If you want to throw in the towel just go ahead and stop responding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 21, 2024 Just now, IGotWorms said: Weak. If you want to throw in the towel just go ahead and stop responding Ok, then. Let's play your little game LIBTARD. Such a fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted January 22, 2024 Check out this Bradley Fighting Vehicle kicking ass on a Russian tank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,773 Posted January 22, 2024 18 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Russia isn’t taking over Ukraine. Stop it. Many Republicans in Congress want to cut off aid to Ukraine. This appears to be the attitude of the base of the Republican Party, and MAGA types in particular. I think it’s a reasonable concern that if we cut off aid it will lead to Russia conquering Ukraine. Do you agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 22, 2024 10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Many Republicans in Congress want to cut off aid to Ukraine. This appears to be the attitude of the base of the Republican Party, and MAGA types in particular. I think it’s a reasonable concern that if we cut off aid it will lead to Russia conquering Ukraine. Do you agree? First of all, if they need aid right now, nato should step in. Second, they are getting their money. But his forbid they evil republicans that love Putin and gave up the first 200 billion might want some security for our borders too. It must be racism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 997 Posted January 22, 2024 3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: Check out this Bradley Fighting Vehicle kicking ass on a Russian tank Can you imagine the sounds inside that Russian tank while being hit with all those rounds? Had to scare the ever living sh*t out of the crew. Even if the smaller rounds didn't do any major damage, it's be impossible to keep your cool under intense fire. Gives Ukraine time to deliver the final big hit destroying them. Cool video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted January 22, 2024 20 hours ago, IGotWorms said: That doesn’t even make sense. MAGA wants to cede Ukraine to Russia, Biden doesn’t Link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted January 23, 2024 5 hours ago, GobbleDog said: Can you imagine the sounds inside that Russian tank while being hit with all those rounds? Had to scare the ever living sh*t out of the crew. Even if the smaller rounds didn't do any major damage, it's be impossible to keep your cool under intense fire. Gives Ukraine time to deliver the final big hit destroying them. Cool video. There's another one I saw over the weekend but couldn't find today showing a Bradley totally focking up Russia's best tank. Tanks parts were falling off and flying everywhere before the tank just exploded. I never realized the Bradley awesomeness. I have to think the Ukrainians were laughing as they obliterated the helpless Russian tank. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 23, 2024 20 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: There's another one I saw over the weekend but couldn't find today showing a Bradley totally focking up Russia's best tank. Tanks parts were falling off and flying everywhere before the tank just exploded. I never realized the Bradley awesomeness. I have to think the Ukrainians were laughing as they obliterated the helpless Russian tank. That killing each other is awesome!! The US should keep funding it at the expense of our own citizens! AmIRight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted January 23, 2024 30 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: That killing each other is awesome!! The US should keep funding it at the expense of our own citizens! AmIRight? If Ukraine can't defend itself, you think the killing will just stop? Russia has more than shown that it's willing to kill more than Ukrainian military personnel. If Russia took over Ukraine, horrific genocide would ensue. Regional instability would ensue. Inflation would explode, and you'd be whining like a little b!tch and blaming Biden for that. Then embolden, Russia would go after other Baltic states, including NATO ones, and perhaps even Poland. Clownzo has said he could end the conflict in a day. Well he should get off his fat orange ass and do it. Or enlighten the world on how it could be done so someone else could do it. Nah, he's just saying that like he brags about other things he says he can do but can't. Not surprising you can't see the obvious, what with your healthy daily diet of dumbass. Back on ignore you go, chim chim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 23, 2024 Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Donbas … but I’m sure Russia will stop once they’ve got Kyiv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 23, 2024 6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Donbas … but I’m sure Russia will stop once they’ve got Kyiv Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Ukraine. When are we gonna stop? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 23, 2024 26 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: If Ukraine can't defend itself, you think the killing will just stop? Russia has more than shown that it's willing to kill more than Ukrainian military personnel. If Russia took over Ukraine, horrific genocide would ensue. Regional instability would ensue. Inflation would explode, and you'd be whining like a little b!tch and blaming Biden for that. Then embolden, Russia would go after other Baltic states, including NATO ones, and perhaps even Poland. Clownzo has said he could end the conflict in a day. Well he should get off his fat orange ass and do it. Or enlighten the world on how it could be done so someone else could do it. Nah, he's just saying that like he brags about other things he says he can do but can't. Not surprising you can't see the obvious, what with your healthy daily diet of dumbass. Back on ignore you go, chim chim. The disgusting human trafficking capital of the planet isn't defending itself. The US is defending them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 23, 2024 31 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Ukraine. When are we gonna stop? America-hating used to be a left wing thing. Man how times have changed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 23, 2024 3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: America-hating used to be a left wing thing. Man how times have changed So spending on war in Europe over spending that money on American citizens in need is America leftist loving now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted January 24, 2024 4 hours ago, IGotWorms said: America-hating used to be a left wing thing. Man how times have changed The MAGAturd wants everyone to be MAGAturds, as long as they lockstep with the MAGAturd paradigm and don't think for themselves and have open minds to compromise and other viewpoints. They're poisoning this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 24, 2024 5 hours ago, IGotWorms said: America-hating used to be a left wing thing. Man how times have changed Oh, it’s ok when you come out against the Bush wars. Get a grip. I was wondering, which of the oligarchs that rule over you is your favorite? Zuckerberg? Bezos? Soros? Maybe the Koch brothers? Lol. Toady. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 24, 2024 14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Oh, it’s ok when you come out against the Bush wars. Get a grip. I was wondering, which of the oligarchs that rule over you is your favorite? Zuckerberg? Bezos? Soros? Maybe the Koch brothers? Lol. Toady. Absolutely none of that makes any sense. Not one word Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 24, 2024 16 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: The LIBTard wants everyone to be LIBTards, as long as they lockstep with the LIBTard paradigm and don't think for themselves and have open minds to compromise and other viewpoints. They're poisoning this country. True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 25, 2024 The NATO Secretary General said there is no threat that Russia will expand beyond Ukraine. There goes that narrative. Sorry cucks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 25, 2024 42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The NATO Secretary General said there is no threat that Russia will expand beyond Ukraine. There goes that narrative. Sorry cucks. Explain to me how I’m the cuck here, when you’ve been down on your knees sucking Putin’s d1ck for years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 25, 2024 Just now, IGotWorms said: Explain to me how I’m the cuck here, when you’ve been down on your knees sucking Putin’s d1ck for years You’ll have to show where I’ve done that. I do recall hoping for his assassination though. Don’t make things up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You’ll have to show where I’ve done that. I do recall hoping for his assassination though. Don’t make things up. Every stance and position Trump told you to take vis-a-vis Russia, Putin, and NATO since 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 25, 2024 11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Every stance and position Trump told you to take vis-a-vis Russia, Putin, and NATO since 2016 Ukraine wasn’t a big issue during Trump. Remember? NATO should pay what they agreed to pay. What’s wrong with that? Trump shutdown Putins pipeline. Biden opened it back up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted January 25, 2024 Mitchell making some cogent points For those that don’t get this. Russia is an enemy whom the Ukrainians are destroying, we are giving Ukraines older equipment which is being replaced with newer items for our military being produced throughout the US, NATO ha come out of this stronger and paid into this as much as we have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 25, 2024 30 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Mitchell making some cogent points For those that don’t get this. Russia is an enemy whom the Ukrainians are destroying, we are giving Ukraines older equipment which is being replaced with newer items for our military being produced throughout the US, NATO ha come out of this stronger and paid into this as much as we have. I love the leftist support for the war machine, good job Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted January 25, 2024 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I love the leftist support for the war machine, good job Ukraine was the one attacked in case you forgot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 25, 2024 Just now, thegeneral said: Ukraine was the one attacked in case you forgot. so we should support the war machine, got it. I am against paying for other countries to defend themselves, they should pay for it themselves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted January 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: so we should support the war machine, got it. I am against paying for other countries to defend themselves, they should pay for it themselves We can agree to disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,446 Posted January 25, 2024 48 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Ukraine was the one attacked in case you forgot. So was Israel. Cease fire! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 25, 2024 55 minutes ago, thegeneral said: We can agree to disagree. And you would still be wrong.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted January 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: And you would still be wrong.... Stick to Biden tripping vids Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Stick to Biden tripping vids Instead of you making an.ass of yourself and me pointing it out? You are both fun to beat down upon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites