Ukraine - Doomsday

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We disagree about the unprovoked part.  But now that you even you can see that Ukraine can’t win, when do we start seeing some negotiations? 

I've said all along that I wish Ukraine would just concede some turf and end this thing, with them joining NATO and Russia paying reparations. 

Ukraine wasn't a threat to Russia. They have Nazis, but this whole Russia facing Nazis was such baloney. 

Ukraine has a better chance of winning this than Russia does taking over the whole country. They've already taken back more than half of what Russia seized. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I've said all along that I wish Ukraine would just concede some turf and end this thing, with them joining NATO and Russia paying reparations. 

Ukraine wasn't a threat to Russia. They have Nazis, but this whole Russia facing Nazis was such baloney. 

Ukraine has a better chance of winning this than Russia does taking over the whole country. They've already taken back more than half of what Russia seized. 

But there are Nazis, that’s the point. Sure Russia uses that fact for propaganda,  but it doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s true.  And why didn’t you care when Ukraine was bombing its own people? 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

 

Russian missiles destroy hotel near park full of kids. Quite disturbing.

 

It's not uncommon to have military assets and personnel embedded in hospitals, schools, public works, etc, etc. 

I'm not saying that it's the specific case here, but it's not as simple as immediately assessing pure carnage for the sake of carnage. 

Three different things can be true at the same time

1) At the ground level, rank and file soldiers have absolutely no desire to kill civilians unless there is some kind of immediate threat or if they are ordered to do so by some lunatic, it's a hazy proposition to order your men to blindly start executing civilians. Contractors and mercenaries? That's a different story. Certain specific specialized units? That's potentially a different story. But it's crushing to general morale to start gunning down innocents, particularly children. Remember that both sides have friends and family and associates that exist across the border for each of them. The apprehension to casually killing civilians is true of just about any formal rank and file military in the entire world. 

2) The average Westerner is only going to get to hear what the establishment corporate media wants them to hear, which means they only will get mostly canned news vetted and approved from the current Military Industrial Complex. I'd take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. 

3) In order to maintain a practical "occupation force" for the means of stripping southern Ukraine of it's valuable natural assets ( timber, copper, iron, etc, etc) near the Black Sea, that will require some form of ethnic cleansing eventually. Russia has attacked civilian targets at will in some instances. In other cases, they are also attacking "civilian" centers that are functionally military threats as well. 

I don't agree with what Putin and Russia are doing in general here. That being said, what happens on the ground is an entirely different animal. During Operation Gothic Serpent ( known to the layman as "Black Hawk Down"), at some point after taking heavy casualties, the Rangers were simply firing at anyone who walked out onto the street. They were surrounded and being shot at by everyone. Men, women, kids, in all circumstances. The "rules of engagement" changed as the situation got more desperate. It would be easy to judge them at distance, but they were fighting for their lives. No one wants to shoot a kid down. But if he picks up an AK47, then what do you do? What if he picks it up, then puts it down again? What if he sneaks about with a radio and messages to others on where to hit you with RPGs and mortar rounds? Again, not so simple. 

The idea and narrative that the average Russian infantryman is some kind of sadist and tyrant without measure is just not realistic. Again, contractors and mercenaries can be a different story. There is nuance here. But Raytheon can't sell billions in weapons with nuance. 

[GobbleDog 984]

15 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

The idea and narrative that the average Russian infantryman is some kind of sadist and tyrant without measure is just not realistic.

Whatever low level soldier pushed the launch button followed orders - though Russians have a long history of being notoriously brutal, not to mention corrupt to the core. 100+ years of Soviet iron-fist rule created these moral-less people IMO. But I digress.

Regardless of reason...  little kids terrified as missiles fly overhead. Made me sick.

[seafoam1 2,802]

7 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Whatever low level soldier pushed the launch button followed orders - though Russians have a long history of being notoriously brutal, not to mention corrupt to the core. 100+ years of Soviet iron-fist rule created these moral-less people IMO. But I digress.

Regardless of reason...  little kids terrified as missiles fly overhead. Made me sick.

Now do ukrainian people.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

21 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Whatever low level soldier pushed the launch button followed orders - though Russians have a long history of being notoriously brutal, not to mention corrupt to the core. 100+ years of Soviet iron-fist rule created these moral-less people IMO. But I digress.

Regardless of reason...  little kids terrified as missiles fly overhead. Made me sick.

Well put, sir.

[seafoam1 2,802]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Well put, sir.

Just a follower watson...

[IGotWorms 4,057]

This GOPer is frustrated at you MAGA-d0uches lapping up Russian propaganda: https://apple.news/Ah4SbRw-aSAKbrTbkAa8Oyg

 

During a 16-hour drive from Kyiv to the Polish border in an aging BMW SUV with an arthritic, noisy front wheel, Moore and I discussed his work in Ukraine as well as on the Hill. It’s clear Moore is as passionate about his Republican heritage as he is about the sovereignty of Ukraine and its people. The conversation drifted several times to the direction of the GOP, the impact of social media and the feedback loop between Russia and conservative pundits like former Fox TV personality Tucker Carlson.

“I get forwarded TV clips of Russian propaganda and I look at that and I would see it on the Tucker Carlson show the next night,” Moore complains. “And the night after that, those same Kremlin-supported TV shows would show a clip of Tucker Carlson saying, ‘At least one American has it right.’”

The Tucker Carlsons of the world have it all wrong in Moore’s mind. Yet, the Carlson echo chamber catches the ear of many Republican voters who then call their representatives. Moore sees part of his job as fending off disinformation and sharing his perspective with his former House colleagues over Zoom calls and other apps while in Ukraine. “Many have serious concerns about spending, corruption and the direction of the war,” he acknowledges, and he strives to address them.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

This GOPer is frustrated at you MAGA-d0uches lapping up Russian propaganda: https://apple.news/Ah4SbRw-aSAKbrTbkAa8Oyg

 

During a 16-hour drive from Kyiv to the Polish border in an aging BMW SUV with an arthritic, noisy front wheel, Moore and I discussed his work in Ukraine as well as on the Hill. It’s clear Moore is as passionate about his Republican heritage as he is about the sovereignty of Ukraine and its people. The conversation drifted several times to the direction of the GOP, the impact of social media and the feedback loop between Russia and conservative pundits like former Fox TV personality Tucker Carlson.

“I get forwarded TV clips of Russian propaganda and I look at that and I would see it on the Tucker Carlson show the next night,” Moore complains. “And the night after that, those same Kremlin-supported TV shows would show a clip of Tucker Carlson saying, ‘At least one American has it right.’”

The Tucker Carlsons of the world have it all wrong in Moore’s mind. Yet, the Carlson echo chamber catches the ear of many Republican voters who then call their representatives. Moore sees part of his job as fending off disinformation and sharing his perspective with his former House colleagues over Zoom calls and other apps while in Ukraine. “Many have serious concerns about spending, corruption and the direction of the war,” he acknowledges, and he strives to address them.

“Moore told me over a cappuccino in Kyiv …,,” lol.

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[seafoam1 2,802]

Ukrainian propaganda has got the liberal democrat Americans by the balls. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Ukrainian propaganda has got the liberal democrat Americans by the balls. 

Don’t forget half the gop war criminals 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

On 8/14/2023 at 10:29 AM, League Champion said:

 

It's totally OK to simultaneously care about multiple things. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

On 8/14/2023 at 11:29 AM, League Champion said:

 

Sums up the Biden tenure perfectly.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sums up the Biden tenure perfectly.  

More like sums up MAGAturd love of stupid memes.

[seafoam1 2,802]

On 8/14/2023 at 11:29 AM, League Champion said:

 

Yep. Sad.

[League Champion 1,896]

8 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

More like sums up MAGAturd love of stupid memes.

Or maybe Pedocrats are afraid of truth?

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[League Champion 1,896]

Ukraine is taking heavy casualties as fighting ramps up. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/ukraine-taking-heavy-casualties-counteroffensive-soldiers/story?id=102347740

[seafoam1 2,802]

I wonder if this info is in pimpledoosh's Ukrainian propaganda that he reads daily? His cheerleading doesn't seem to be working afterall. 

 

The men said their team's mission was to seize control of a village on the outskirts of Donetsk city, which has been occupied by a Russian-controlled militia since 2014.

One of the men, a former U.S. soldier from Texas who goes by the callsign "Tango," said his unit of "dozens" of men took "85% casualties" and that two of their comrades were killed when the team was ambushed whilst advancing into Russian-occupied territory. Forty percent of the unit was so badly injured they were rendered "combat ineffective," he said.

[League Champion 1,896]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

One of the men, a former U.S. soldier from Texas who goes by the callsign "Tango," said his unit of "dozens" of men took "85% casualties" and that two of their comrades were killed when the team was ambushed whilst advancing into Russian-occupied territory. Forty percent of the unit was so badly injured they were rendered "combat ineffective," he said.

All for what??? Money?

Pro Ukrainian Pedocrats know nothing about Ukraine. This was a long time coming and you can't blame Russia. Ukraine is the one of the most corrupt places on the planet yet we keep feeding their war machine. For who??? 

[seafoam1 2,802]

10 minutes ago, League Champion said:

All for what??? Money?

Pro Ukrainian Pedocrats know nothing about Ukraine. This was a long time coming and you can't blame Russia. Ukraine is the one of the most corrupt places on the planet yet we keep feeding their war machine. For who??? 

And around where I live the wealthy dumbasses are flying Ukrainian flags in their yards. It's mind numbing how real life stupid they are. Focking liberal brainwashing on full display.

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

around where I live the wealthy dumbasses are flying Ukrainian flags in their yards

Yup!!! They fly their cute little Blue and Yellow Flags and don't even know why. FOR ATTENTION! 

The Pedocrats tell them to hate Russia, so they hate Russia. Just like the good little sheep that they are. 

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

On 8/15/2023 at 7:55 PM, Pimpadeaux said:

More like sums up MAGAturd love of stupid memes.

It really kind of bums me out that you see this as just a meme. 

The Hawaiian people are losing up to $2 million a day due to lack of tourism travel. Some of them may never rebuild, and these are people who are indigenous to the island. They are Americans. 

The fact that you still defend Ukraine and how much we are spending there while ignoring our own is really sad. Of course we can care about two different causes at once, but this one is Americans that were literally jumping into the ocean and floating there for hours waiting for help. 

It's more than just a meme. I am bummed you feel that way, Rusty but I am not surprised. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

18 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

It really kind of bums me out that you see this as just a meme. 

The Hawaiian people are losing up to $2 million a day due to lack of tourism travel. Some of them may never rebuild, and these are people who are indigenous to the island. They are Americans. 

The fact that you still defend Ukraine and how much we are spending there while ignoring our own is really sad. Of course we can care about two different causes at once, but this one is Americans that were literally jumping into the ocean and floating there for hours waiting for help. 

It's more than just a meme. I am bummed you feel that way, Rusty but I am not surprised. 

I dont get worked up about rusty. Hes a typical liberal troll. They arent here for genuine conversation. I point and laugh at him but he also needs an old fashioned beating for his terrible behavior. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

22 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

It really kind of bums me out that you see this as just a meme. 

The Hawaiian people are losing up to $2 million a day due to lack of tourism travel. Some of them may never rebuild, and these are people who are indigenous to the island. They are Americans. 

The fact that you still defend Ukraine and how much we are spending there while ignoring our own is really sad. Of course we can care about two different causes at once, but this one is Americans that were literally jumping into the ocean and floating there for hours waiting for help. 

It's more than just a meme. I am bummed you feel that way, Rusty but I am not surprised. 

It's just more MAGAturd whataboutism. Keep dismissing Jan. 6 because of the summer 2020 riots. Keep dismissing 91 criminal charges against Trump because of Hunter Biden and the remote possibility that President Biden has engaged in criminal activity. Keep labeling Democrats as pedophiles because the LGTBQ community largely falls on the left side of the political spectrum. 

No one is saying the fires weren't terrible. The federal government isn't diverting financial aid away from Hawaii to support Ukrain. You can't take away the money that already has gone to Ukraine and give it to Hawaii. Federal aid is coming for Hawaii. 

Hawaii is a decisively blue state, where Biden got a landslide victory in 2020. I'm surprised MAGAturds haven't yet blamed the fires on it being a blue state, just like they label the thugs who commited the 2020 violence and destruction as liberals because of their skin color, not even attempting to grasp why these riots were no different from ones before, such as post-Rodney King and the Watts Riots.

It's a dumb meme with an illogical comparison. I get my news from reputable news sources, not social media outlets and memes that ignorant MAGAturds post on a low-rent message board.

I've said that it's approaching the point where Ukraine and Russia need to come to an agreement, not because that's necessarily the right thing to do for Ukraine, but because it appears to be what's warranted if the offensive grinds to a halt - which it is not at this time - and this nation grows more red in the 2024 elections and Trump somehow wins.

It's all just MAGAturd ignorance based on a dangerous, noisy far-right political paradigm.

You need to look at the picture outside your California-colored lenses.

 

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

It's just more MAGAturd whataboutism. Keep dismissing Jan. 6 because of the summer 2020 riots. Keep dismissing 91 criminal charges against Trump because of Hunter Biden and the remote possibility that President Biden has engaged in criminal activity. Keep labeling Democrats as pedophiles because the LGTBQ community largely falls on the left side of the political spectrum. 

No one is saying the fires weren't terrible. The federal government isn't diverting financial aid away from Hawaii to support Ukrain. You can't take away the money that already has gone to Ukraine and give it to Hawaii. Federal aid is coming for Hawaii. 

Hawaii is a decisively blue state, where Biden got a landslide victory in 2020. I'm surprised MAGAturds haven't yet blamed the fires on it being a blue state, just like they label the thugs who commited the 2020 violence and destruction as liberals because of their skin color, not even attempting to grasp why these riots were no different from ones before, such as post-Rodney King and the Watts Riots.

It's a dumb meme with an illogical comparison. I get my news from reputable news sources, not social media outlets and memes that ignorant MAGAturds post on a low-rent message board.

I've said that it's approaching the point where Ukraine and Russia need to come to an agreement, not because that's necessarily the right thing to do for Ukraine, but because it appears to be what's warranted if the offensive grinds to a halt - which it is not at this time - and the nation grows more red in the 2024 elections.

It's all just MAGAturd ignorance based on a dangerous, noisy far-right political paradigm.

You need to look at the picture outside your California-colored lenses.

 

You're making a LOT of assumptions about me in this post and what I do or do not support.. You have NO clue what I support, Rusty and yet you lump me in with the MAGA crowd. 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

I dont get worked up about rusty. Hes a typical liberal troll. They arent here for genuine conversation. I point and laugh at him but he also needs an old fashioned beating for his terrible behavior. 

Says the clown who repeatedly predicts a civil war and nuclear apocalypse that never come, allows me to live rent-free in his head, starts threads dedicated to me, mentions me frequently in posts, digs up and posts a YouTube video with my son's name on it and calls for physical violence against me. 

Yeah, you don't get worked up about me and pay little attention to what I post. I'm not under your skin at all. No sir.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You're making a LOT of assumptions about me in this post and what I do or do not support.. You have NO clue what I support, Rusty and yet you lump me in with the MAGA crowd. 

 

Pot meet kettle!

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Pot meet kettle!

Not really. 

You've made it plenty clear what you support and don't support. You call people MAGAtards; that's enough to know how you feel really. 

I can't remember the last time I used a form of the "R" word. It's incredibly disrespectful, regardless of what side it's on. 

Oh well, though. I need to go back to just scrolling past your posts. Have a good day. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

10 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Not really. 

You've made it plenty clear what you support and don't support. You call people MAGAtards; that's enough to know how you feel really. 

I can't remember the last time I used a form of the "R" word. It's incredibly disrespectful, regardless of what side it's on. 

Oh well, though. I need to go back to just scrolling past your posts. Have a good day. 

hes a POS who has nothing but internet whining

I am maga too despite being pro LG pro gay marriage, pro abortion to a limit

just cause I don't think Biden is the bestest thing ever and I hate all US intervention in every country and war. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Not really. 

You've made it plenty clear what you support and don't support. You call people MAGAtards; that's enough to know how you feel really. 

I can't remember the last time I used a form of the "R" word. It's incredibly disrespectful, regardless of what side it's on. 

Oh well, though. I need to go back to just scrolling past your posts. Have a good day. 

If you actually read them, you'd notice I say MAGAturd. I stopped using the negative term a long time ago, even though it is an actual term that can be found in the Urban Dictionary. 

But the fact that you wrongly think I'm saying the other word now, subsequently lecturing me about it in your condescending way, just underscores my pot-meet-kettle point.

You just assumed I was using the offensive term and drew conclusions from that, which you've always done with me. 

Another thing you haven't seemed to notice is that almost 100 percent of any negativity I direct toward you is a reaction to some catty or critical remark you make toward me. Then you go into passive-aggressive victim mode. You're like an overbearing wife whose husband has had enough and snaps at her, and she goes all "I was just trying to help" and becomes a wounded animal.

You start our negative interactions every single time, toots. But keep poking that bear.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Rusty is such a troll that he started the biden thread and then attacked people for talking politics in it

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

just cause I don't think Biden is the bestest thing ever and I hate all US intervention in every country and war. 

Yet you hate those who don't think T-pump is the bestest thing ever.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Rusty is such a troll that he started the biden thread and then attacked people for talking politics in it

People debating politics in a thread about our president.

WHAT. A. SHOCKER.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Yet you hate those who don't think T-pump is the bestest thing ever.

I dont hate, so try again

I think people are idiots who spend 7 years crying about a single person

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont hate, so try again

I think people are idiots who spend 7 years crying about a single person

 

Has the whining stopped regarding Hunter Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton? When will it stop regarding the summer 2020 riots?

A former president and 2024 hopeful is facing 91 criminal charges, so he's about as much of a current event as it gets. 

Some of y'all still whine about Bush and the war from two decades ago.

Hypocrites. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

33 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You're making a LOT of assumptions about me in this post and what I do or do not support.. You have NO clue what I support, Rusty and yet you lump me in with the MAGA crowd. 

 

If you use MAGA talking points, people may assume you’re MAGA

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

If you use MAGA talking points, people may assume you’re MAGA

She supports T-pump. That's the end of that.