More grooming from the left

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44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He is a liar, but it is possible for 1st graders to be 5.  

Oh, it’s possible? What a dumbass 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, it’s possible? What a dumbass 

You've broken these people, simply by reminding them what they've already said.

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51 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I said I stopped showering with them before they turned 6.  Looks like whatever the hell fatherly.com is agrees with me 

https://www.fatherly.com/parenting/how-to-shower-naked-parents-teaching-bathroom#:~:text=“The general rule of thumb is by the,“That’s the conventional wisdom%2C the general cutoff line.”

Oh look, Tim scoured the internet and linked to a place that supports his position.  Great find TIm! Don’t shower with kids. Give them a bath like normal people. 

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1 hour ago, Reality said:

You've broken these people, simply by reminding them what they've already said.

It’s incredible. If I said the sky is blue there would be a gang of them in here arguing the point. Tim would say something brilliant like “ not always, you lied!” 

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh look, Tim scoured the internet and linked to a place that supports his position.  Great find TIm! Don’t shower with kids. Give them a bath like normal people. 

It was the first result that came up. Took 2 seconds.

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14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was the first result that came up. Took 2 seconds.

So you let the internet be your guide to fathering? Wow.  What a loser. 

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Also, If anyone wants a laugh, check out fatherly.com. It’s a goof. So sad Tim is raising his kids based on what they have to say.  So sad. 

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Did you actually say you shower with first graders (plural)? 

@TimHauck ?   

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you let the internet be your guide to fathering? 

No

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

@TimHauck ?   

No, but I don’t think he was saying I was showering with multiple first graders at the same time

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

@TimHauck ?   

Look at this guy! Lol. So desperate. 

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No, but I don’t think he was saying I was showering with multiple first graders at the same time

So you didn’t say you shower with first graders at all, but HT has been going around making that disgusting claim. 

What a POS. 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

So you didn’t say you shower with first graders at all, but HT has been going around making that disgusting claim. 

What a POS. 

Oh man. That’s it? What a letdown.  That’s what you have after badgering Tim for an answer? I thought you had something. What a has been who was never much anyway. 

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11 minutes ago, MDC said:

So you didn’t say you shower with first graders at all, but HT has been going around making that disgusting claim. 

What a POS. 

I said I showered with my (biological) kids until they were 6.  So this is actually one of the few times he wasn’t wrong.  But I find it funny that people think that’s sick. I guess it’s partly from wrestling my whole life so I’m used to showering near other guys and it not being weird (in b4 the “wrestling is gay” jokes).

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I said I showered with my (biological) kids until they were 6.  So this is actually one of the few times he wasn’t wrong.  But I find it funny that people think that’s sick. I guess it’s partly from wrestling my whole life so I’m used to showering near other guys and it not being weird (in b4 the “wrestling is gay” jokes).

Wrestling isn’t gay. I hope my kid does it, even for a little while. I’ll always put my money on the wrestler vs all the rest of it. 

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I said I showered with my (biological) kids until they were 6.  So this is actually one of the few times he wasn’t wrong.  But I find it funny that people think that’s sick. I guess it’s partly from wrestling my whole life so I’m used to showering near other guys and it not being weird (in b4 the “wrestling is gay” jokes).

So he just added the 1st graders thing in and keeps saying “kids” to give the misleading impression that it’s not your children.

What a creep. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

So he just added the 1st graders thing in and keeps saying “kids” to give the misleading impression that it’s not your children.

What a creep. 

Wooo hooo! Wow! I’ve never seen him this  triggered. Maybe when he made up that story about going to Dallas and got busted by numerous geeks. 

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On 10/28/2022 at 5:13 AM, Shooter McGavin said:

I'm sure there are drag queens that are pedos, probably the same incidence among non drag queens.  No one here supports drag queen story hour.  It's not appropriate.  Stop being a focking ass hole for once in your sh1tty life.  Fock.

This doesn't make sense to me.  Drag queens are somewhere on the sexually confused scale, I don't think there is much confusion about it.  There is surely some overlap.  You bring up priests a lot:  if somebody said "some men join the Church because they are sexually confused, and some of them abuse kids" you'd say yeah, duh.  But if you replace "Church" with "drag queen," you think there is no correlation?   

On 10/28/2022 at 7:28 AM, TimHauck said:

Well for one I think there should be a distinction between drag queens performing and drag queens reading books in front of kids.  Performing, inappropriate.  Reading a book (as long as their attire is appropriate) I don’t see the big deal about.

What is the value to normalizing young children to drag queens?

I'll save you the time and tell you the danger.  Humans are software-driven more than any other species.  We are born with a large memory bank (brain) that is fairly empty, and they fill it during development with what they need to know.  And they tend to implicitly trust the adults/parent figures with the information they provide.

We should be normalizing... normal things with young kids.  Boys are boys, girls are girls.  If one of these kids grows up and just doesn't feel like he is in the right body, he can be exposed to alternate information which is age-appropriate.

I just don't see how having a drag queen be normalized if not celebrated with young children does any service to them or society.   

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28 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What is the value to normalizing young children to drag queens?

I'll save you the time and tell you the danger.  Humans are software-driven more than any other species.  We are born with a large memory bank (brain) that is fairly empty, and they fill it during development with what they need to know.  And they tend to implicitly trust the adults/parent figures with the information they provide.

We should be normalizing... normal things with young kids.  Boys are boys, girls are girls.  If one of these kids grows up and just doesn't feel like he is in the right body, he can be exposed to alternate information which is age-appropriate.

I just don't see how having a drag queen be normalized if not celebrated with young children does any service to them or society.   

Well said Jerry. The answer is that it makes kids eventually question the gender binary established by the racist, western, white patriarchy. As an extension, the morality of the nuclear family is challenged. Chock one up for progressives.  

 

 

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24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This doesn't make sense to me.  Drag queens are somewhere on the sexually confused scale, I don't think there is much confusion about it.  There is surely some overlap.  You bring up priests a lot:  if somebody said "some men join the Church because they are sexually confused, and some of them abuse kids" you'd say yeah, duh.  But if you replace "Church" with "drag queen," you think there is no correlation?   

What is the value to normalizing young children to drag queens?

I'll save you the time and tell you the danger.  Humans are software-driven more than any other species.  We are born with a large memory bank (brain) that is fairly empty, and they fill it during development with what they need to know.  And they tend to implicitly trust the adults/parent figures with the information they provide.

We should be normalizing... normal things with young kids.  Boys are boys, girls are girls.  If one of these kids grows up and just doesn't feel like he is in the right body, he can be exposed to alternate information which is age-appropriate.

I just don't see how having a drag queen be normalized if not celebrated with young children does any service to them or society.   

I could be wrong but it seems the goal is to reduce the chances that kids will grow up to hate them.  But, most of that will come from the parents anyway and I’m sure parents that are taking their kids to these things would have taught them that anyway.

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I could be wrong but it seems the goal is to reduce the chances that kids will grow up to hate them.  But, most of that will come from the parents anyway and I’m sure parents that are taking their kids to these things would have taught them that anyway.

I'm sure that's used as a reason, but how many drag queens would a kid be exposed to in life, let alone hate them, that we send them this incredibly confusing information during such formative years?  This is a net positive for them and society?   

I wasn't exposed to them as a kid, yet I don't hate them.  As long as they (adults) stayed with their own in places where they do their thing, I couldn't care less, nor could the vast majority of people.

ETA:  Also do you think that young children can be told they are going to have an awesome time with this bright, colorful, vivacious person and not possibly want to emulate it, instead getting the nuance that such behavior is (most likely) not for them, but they should learn to like them?

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“An unhealthy obsession with the genitals of kids”.  Nice try dogcows. Would it make you feel better if they were having non genital body parts mutilated and people had an issue with it? That you would even try and make it about some sort of deviate behavior says a lot about you.  You can’t win any debate, without the personal attack, even in a roundabout way.  

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36 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm sure that's used as a reason, but how many drag queens would a kid be exposed to in life, let alone hate them, that we send them this incredibly confusing information during such formative years?  This is a net positive for them and society?   

I wasn't exposed to them as a kid, yet I don't hate them.  As long as they (adults) stayed with their own in places where they do their thing, I couldn't care less, nor could the vast majority of people.

ETA:  Also do you think that young children can be told they are going to have an awesome time with this bright, colorful, vivacious person and not possibly want to emulate it, instead getting the nuance that such behavior is (most likely) not for them, but they should learn to like them?

Yes, generally I’d agree that I don’t really see the value in these events.  But I’m not going to jump to the conclusion that the people reading at these events are pedos or even that the parents bringing their kids are “grooming” them to become drag queens or strippers.

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44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, generally I’d agree that I don’t really see the value in these events.  But I’m not going to jump to the conclusion that the people reading at these events are pedos or even that the parents bringing their kids are “grooming” them to become drag queens or strippers.

Thanks.  I wouldn't jump to that first conclusion either, although a drag queen who wants to read to a bunch of children is a little more questionable to me than a random person.

Parents grooming their kids is a mostly whack idea.  There do seem to be a few parents with some kind of munchausen by proxy who want their kids to be a different sex, but I certainly wouldn't presume that of any parent who takes their kid to such an event.

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3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

This doesn't make sense to me.  Drag queens are somewhere on the sexually confused scale, I don't think there is much confusion about it.  There is surely some overlap.  You bring up priests a lot:  if somebody said "some men join the Church because they are sexually confused, and some of them abuse kids" you'd say yeah, duh.  But if you replace "Church" with "drag queen," you think there is no correlation?   

What is the value to normalizing young children to drag queens?

I'll save you the time and tell you the danger.  Humans are software-driven more than any other species.  We are born with a large memory bank (brain) that is fairly empty, and they fill it during development with what they need to know.  And they tend to implicitly trust the adults/parent figures with the information they provide.

We should be normalizing... normal things with young kids.  Boys are boys, girls are girls.  If one of these kids grows up and just doesn't feel like he is in the right body, he can be exposed to alternate information which is age-appropriate.

I just don't see how having a drag queen be normalized if not celebrated with young children does any service to them or society.   

Jerry, we have mountains of evidence, centuries of data and thousands of victims that show how the Catholic church covered up and accepted the abuse of children for a very long time.  We have nothing like this for drag queens.

Also you can't teach boys to be girls or vice versa, or boys to like boys etc.

You are scared.or things that are different to you, and you have been programmed to think it's a threat to humanity.

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2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Jerry, we have mountains of evidence, centuries of data and thousands of victims that show how the Catholic church covered up and accepted the abuse of children for a very long time.  We have nothing like this for drag queens.

Also you can't teach boys to be girls or vice versa, or boys to like boys etc.

You are scared.or things that are different to you, and you have been programmed to think it's a threat to humanity.

Oh god. Anyone else I would say this is kidding around. Not this weirdo pedo enabler. He means it. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh god. Anyone else I would say this is kidding around. Not this weirdo pedo enabler. He means it. 

I was talking to Jerry, not tardcore pedodour.

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1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I was talking to Jerry, not tardcore pedodour.

Yeah, it’s not gonna stick.  But you go ahead and try. Everyone loves to call you gutterpedo.  It’s funny, because it’s true! Lol. 

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43 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Jerry, we have mountains of evidence, centuries of data and thousands of victims that show how the Catholic church covered up and accepted the abuse of children for a very long time.  We have nothing like this for drag queens.

Also you can't teach boys to be girls or vice versa, or boys to like boys etc.

You are scared.or things that are different to you, and you have been programmed to think it's a threat to humanity.

Regarding the bolded, this is false.  I've personally known two trans kids and one moved in and out of transdom.  Yes it's anecdotal but you state it as if it is 100% true.  And homosexuality is in no way entirely genetic.

Your mistake is confusing genetic with physiological.  As I said before, kids are empty memory banks to be filled.  The data that enters that bank affects neural pathways, endorphin triggers, etc.  

I'm not scared of trans folk.  I just realize that environment influences attitudes.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Regarding the bolded, this is false.  I've personally known two trans kids and one moved in and out of transdom.  Yes it's anecdotal but you state it as if it is 100% true.  And homosexuality is in no way entirely genetic.

Your mistake is confusing genetic with physiological.  As I said before, kids are empty memory banks to be filled.  The data that enters that bank affects neural pathways, endorphin triggers, etc.  

I'm not scared of trans folk.  I just realize that environment influences attitudes.

Where we both agree is that it's complex.  Where we disagree is what we should do about it.  You want to teach kids what you believe.  I want to accept kids for what they believe.

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6 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

 I want to accept kids for what they believe.

Well that makes you a fuking idiot.  Kids believe some of the most asinine things are reality.  Grow the fuk up, dude.  Your job as a damn adult and parent is to provide some guidance.

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8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Well that makes you a fuking idiot.  Kids believe some of the most asinine things are reality.  Grow the fuk up, dude.  Your job as a damn adult and parent is to provide some guidance.

Perhaps, but I've never heard of a kid thinking an 82-year-old liberal would  invite a lunatic far-right conservative over for sexually gratifying hammer time.

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17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Well that makes you a fuking idiot.  Kids believe some of the most asinine things are reality.  Grow the fuk up, dude.  Your job as a damn adult and parent is to provide some guidance.

The too are not mutually exclusive.  You're obviously not a parent.

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4 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Jerry, we have mountains of evidence, centuries of data and thousands of victims that show how the Catholic church covered up and accepted the abuse of children for a very long time.  We have nothing like this for drag queens.

Also you can't teach boys to be girls or vice versa, or boys to like boys etc.

You are scared.or things that are different to you, and you have been programmed to think it's a threat to humanity.

Centuries of evidence? As far as I know, the sex scandal only came to light 20 or so years ago. I know full well that the Catholic Church has done some focked up things ever the millennia. The Spanish Inquisition, Galileo, and likely the vast majority of Martin Luther's 95 theses but if this has centuries of problems, it's news to me.

Here's a list of Martin Luther's complaints of the church in 1517. Perusing the list,  I can plainly see, maybe you'll agree, he was airing every piece of dirty laundry he had without holding back. https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1891/martin-luthers-95-theses/ . Now, I gave up after the top ten, but if priests pegging alter boys had been a problem in the 16th Century, I'm sure Martin Luther would have swung that from the rafters somewhere in those 95. So, maybe you can find it for me, for all I know it may well be there, then I'll say "Look, it's there" and give you props and say that you were right.

The reason "we have nothing like this for drag queens" is because drag queens arrived on the scene five minutes ago. But in fact, that's not true. We do have plenty of instances of drag queens being pedos, even though the media will gladly howl about degenerate priests while cover up anything about degenerate drag queens. This is the point in the rant where, if I had a working VPN, I'd gladly find some for you. 

Also, if you can't teach boys to be girls or girls to be boys, maybe you can address why transgenderism has skyrocketed in the last five minutes among the youth. I think the evidence is clear in the numbers they are being groomed, again I'm handicapped by a lack of VPN.

The one whose being programmed is you and those kids. It's the fsahionalbe thing for the urban NYTimes readers living in the bubble, to kneel at the alter of transgenderism. The rest of us live in reality.

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46 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

The too are not mutually exclusive.  You're obviously not a parent.

Are you a parent?  If so, congrats.  Nice to see mentally challenged people can have kids too!

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8 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Where we both agree is that it's complex.  Where we disagree is what we should do about it.  You want to teach kids what you believe.  I want to accept kids for what they believe.

This guy. Gutterpedo was slinging plenty of homophobic hate speech on this board.  Then something changed and he became Mr. sensitive to the LGBTQ stuff. And now if you don’t agree with him you’re the POS. Gtfo. 

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6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Centuries of evidence? As far as I know, the sex scandal only came to light 20 or so years ago. I know full well that the Catholic Church has done some focked up things ever the millennia. The Spanish Inquisition, Galileo, and likely the vast majority of Martin Luther's 95 theses but if this has centuries of problems, it's news to me.

Here's a list of Martin Luther's complaints of the church in 1517. Perusing the list,  I can plainly see, maybe you'll agree, he was airing every piece of dirty laundry he had without holding back. https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1891/martin-luthers-95-theses/ . Now, I gave up after the top ten, but if priests pegging alter boys had been a problem in the 16th Century, I'm sure Martin Luther would have swung that from the rafters somewhere in those 95. So, maybe you can find it for me, for all I know it may well be there, then I'll say "Look, it's there" and give you props and say that you were right.

The reason "we have nothing like this for drag queens" is because drag queens arrived on the scene five minutes ago. But in fact, that's not true. We do have plenty of instances of drag queens being pedos, even though the media will gladly howl about degenerate priests while cover up anything about degenerate drag queens. This is the point in the rant where, if I had a working VPN, I'd gladly find some for you. 

Also, if you can't teach boys to be girls or girls to be boys, maybe you can address why transgenderism has skyrocketed in the last five minutes among the youth. I think the evidence is clear in the numbers they are being groomed, again I'm handicapped by a lack of VPN.

The one whose being programmed is you and those kids. It's the fsahionalbe thing for the urban NYTimes readers living in the bubble, to kneel at the alter of transgenderism. The rest of us live in reality.

Sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has been reported as far back as the 11th century, when Peter Damian wrote the treatise Liber Gomorrhianus against such abuses and others.

In the late 15th century, Katharina von Zimmern and her sister were removed from their abbey to live in their family's house for a while partly because the young girls were molested by priests. In 1531, Martin Luther claimed that Pope Leo X had vetoed a measure that cardinals should restrict the number of boys they kept for their pleasure, "otherwise it would have been spread throughout the world how openly and shamelessly the Pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases?wprov=sfla1

 

Calasanz opened his first school, dedicated to providing a free education to boys from poor families, in Rome in 1597. More schools soon followed. In 1629, the first accusations of child abuse were made by fellow priests; according to contemporary letters and documents, there were “impure friendships with schoolboys” and “many accusations of impurity and ill-reknown.” One Piarist priest, Father Stefano Cherubini, was a particular focus of the accusations.

 

Calasanz wrote to the administrator of a nearby school, whom he had sent to investigate Cherubini: “I want you to know that Your Reverence’s sole aim is to cover up this great shame in order that it does not come to the notice of our superiors.”

 

Cherubini was swiftly promoted by Calasanz, first to rector (the equivalent of headmaster) and then to visitor general (an inspector). Soon, more priestly abusers were discovered, promoted and moved to new schools, in a policy known as promoveatur ut amoveatur, or promotion for avoidance. The rules of the Pious Schools were unequivocal about the sin involved, but in each case Calasanz’s first priority was protecting reputations: the order’s and the perpetrator’s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-catholic-church-has-a-long-history-of-child-sexual-abuse-and-coverups/2019/02/18/53c1f284-3396-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html

 

For the drag queens, yes there are examples of drag queens and sexual abuse too, of course.  But what we have is basically nothing compared to Catholic abuse cases.  Yes much of this is due to the fact that Catholics have been abused kids for centuries, drag queens are recent, and this further proves point.  These is really no comparison between the two when it comes to lives destroyed.

When it comes to teaching kids to be gay or straight or trans or whatever, I don't believe that you can andwe have evidence of a large genetic influence here.  Regarding the increasing number of trans kids, it appears as though there are several factors like confusion and feeling safe to express themselves.

We're not very far apart on this issue.  I don't get drag queens, story hours, I don't think kids should have surgeries, etc.  But I'm more practical and rational where as you are emotionally whipped into a frenzy by people that want you to act a certain way.

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8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This guy. Gutterpedo was slinging plenty of homophobic hate speech on this board.  Then something changed and he became Mr. sensitive to the LGBTQ stuff. And now if you don’t agree with him you’re the POS. Gtfo. 

I dare you to go one day without posting about me.  You can't.  I live in your head.

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7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Centuries of evidence? As far as I know, the sex scandal only came to light 20 or so years ago. I know full well that the Catholic Church has done some focked up things ever the millennia. The Spanish Inquisition, Galileo, and likely the vast majority of Martin Luther's 95 theses but if this has centuries of problems, it's news to me.

Here's a list of Martin Luther's complaints of the church in 1517. Perusing the list,  I can plainly see, maybe you'll agree, he was airing every piece of dirty laundry he had without holding back. https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1891/martin-luthers-95-theses/ . Now, I gave up after the top ten, but if priests pegging alter boys had been a problem in the 16th Century, I'm sure Martin Luther would have swung that from the rafters somewhere in those 95. So, maybe you can find it for me, for all I know it may well be there, then I'll say "Look, it's there" and give you props and say that you were right.

The reason "we have nothing like this for drag queens" is because drag queens arrived on the scene five minutes ago. But in fact, that's not true. We do have plenty of instances of drag queens being pedos, even though the media will gladly howl about degenerate priests while cover up anything about degenerate drag queens. This is the point in the rant where, if I had a working VPN, I'd gladly find some for you. 

Also, if you can't teach boys to be girls or girls to be boys, maybe you can address why transgenderism has skyrocketed in the last five minutes among the youth. I think the evidence is clear in the numbers they are being groomed, again I'm handicapped by a lack of VPN.

The one whose being programmed is you and those kids. It's the fsahionalbe thing for the urban NYTimes readers living in the bubble, to kneel at the alter of transgenderism. The rest of us live in reality.

Drag queens didn’t arrive on the scene 5 minutes ago, unless you consider the 1930’s 5 minutes ago and that’s really only when they started being intertwined with gays - https://allthatsinteresting.com/history-of-drag-queens#:~:text=The history of drag queens as an art,their costume dresses would "drag" across the floor.

Yes, there are stories of drag queens being arrested for pedo stuff, but I doubt it happens any more than the general population, probably less since I’m sure people are on the lookout for them.

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7 hours ago, Voltaire said: