Batgirl film will not see the light of day after shooting complete for $100ish million

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are you focking dense or something?  All I said is that the article does not say that it was canceled due to being woke.  I'm not saying it was or wasn't.  The only people who are assuming are morons like you.

Saying it wasn’t canceled because it was woke isn’t saying it was or wasn’t. Talk about dense. It was shitcanned because it sucked. You don’t know why, but your automatic default was it isn’t woke. How can you know? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wrong moron.  I read that the movie got dumped because it stunk.  Done.  I read that they had a Latina actress.  I took that to mean they were being woke.  Done.  Two separate things.  Because I called them out for being woke, you wanted that to mean that I was implying that it was the reason it failed.  Maybe your bias lead you to that.  That's a YOU problem, not a me problem.

A movie can be considered good and be released even if it is woke. Happens all the time. You’re right, we only know it sucked. We don’t know why though. It could have been too woke or not woke at all. But Hawkeye knows. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And what % of "historical" Batman characters were black?

No clue.  Like I said, I was never into comics.  I just know that Commission Gordon was white, his wife was white, and that Batgirl was his daughter.  Now, I'm not a biologist, but I think we all know the results, right?

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Saying it wasn’t canceled because it was woke isn’t saying it was or wasn’t. Talk about dense. It was shitcanned because it sucked. You don’t know why, but your automatic default was it isn’t woke. How can you know? 

I'm sure it was canned because it sucked, I'm not debating that.  I didn't say it wasn't woke, all I said was that the article did not say it was canned because it was woke.  ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY MOUF?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm sure it was canned because it sucked, I'm not debating that.  I didn't say it wasn't woke, all I said was that the article did not say it was canned because it was woke.  ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY MOUF?

You said you don’t see it being woke.  Why are you arguing that? How do you know? Maybe being woke is actually why it sucked. 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You said it wasn’t woke. Why are you arguing that? 

According to the article, yes.  I have no idea if it actually was or not.  Are you trying to be this stupid or is it just natural?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

According to the article, yes.  I have no idea if it actually was or not.  Are you trying to be this stupid or is it just natural?

You said you don’t see it being woke as the reason it was canceled. Maybe it being woke is why it sucked? Is that possible? 

[TimHauck 3,377]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No clue.  Like I said, I was never into comics.  I just know that Commission Gordon was white, his wife was white, and that Batgirl was his daughter.

Well my point was Batman was created in 1939 when it was a lot more acceptable to be racist.  So by saying "making it more current with the times" I was referring to getting the characters more in line with the general population.

[Horseman 2,687]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And what % of "historical" Batman characters were black?

 

38 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well my point was Batman was created in 1939 when it was a lot more acceptable to be racist.  So by saying "making it more current with the times" I was referring to getting the characters more in line with the general population.

Major Black Characters:

Selina Kyle (Catwoman) 1967

Black Spider 1976

Lucius Fox 1979

Tiffany Fox 1979

Timothy Fox 1979

Penny-Two 1981

Onyx Adams 1985

Huntress 1989

Maxine Gibbons 1999

Crispus Allen 2000

Gavin King (Orpheus) 2001

Michael Lane (Azrael) 2007

David Zavimbe (Batwing) 2011

Duke Thomas (The Signal) 2013

Frankie Charles (Operator) 2014

Tina Sung 2015

Gus Yale (Oracle) 2016

Dana Harlowe 2020

Various versions of both Catwoman and yes, Batgirl have been black throughout the years.

 

You made an assshat out of yourself for assuming something needs to go woke. 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You said you don’t see it being woke as the reason it was canceled. Maybe it being woke is why it sucked? Is that possible? 

This is like talking to a brick wall.  You obviously can't understand what I was talking about.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well my point was Batman was created in 1939 when it was a lot more acceptable to be racist.  So by saying "making it more current with the times" I was referring to getting the characters more in line with the general population.

I don't have a problem with that, I just find it "woke" to force the issue in places that fit a narrative.  For example... did ANYONE have a problem with Halle Berry being Cat woman?  No.  Why?  Because she was a character with no background to the main theme.  How about Morgan Freeman being Lucius Fox?  No.  Why?  Same reason as Halle Berry. 

They had J. K. Simmons playing Commissioner Gordon.  We know his wife was white.  To have a non-white person to play the role of his daughter is forcing an issue.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This is like talking to a brick wall.  You obviously can't understand what I was talking about.

I do. You say it sucked but don’t know why, only that it being woke isn’t why, even if you don’t know if it was woke or not.  That’s reasonable. Eye roll. 

[TimHauck 3,377]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

Major Black Characters:

Selina Kyle (Catwoman) 1940

Black Spider 1976

Lucius Fox 1979

Tiffany Fox 1979

Timothy Fox 1979

Penny-Two 1981

Onyx Adams 1985

Huntress 1989

Maxine Gibbons 1999

Crispus Allen 2000

Gavin King (Orpheus) 2001

Michael Lane (Azrael) 2007

David Zavimbe (Batwing) 2011

Duke Thomas (The Signal) 2013

Frankie Charles (Operator) 2014

Tina Sung 2015

Gus Yale (Oracle) 2016

Dana Harlowe 2020

Various versions of both Catwoman and yes, Batgirl have been black throughout the years.

 

You made an assshat out of yourself for assuming something needs to go woke. 

 

Well Catwoman is pretty much the only character that you listed that I've ever heard of, so thanks for proving my point.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I do. You say it sucked but don’t know why, only that it being woke isn’t why, even if you don’t know if it was woke or not.  That’s reasonable. Eye roll. 

I never claimed that it was not woke or if it was woke.  All I ever said is that the article never claimed that it was canned because it was woke.  That's it.  No more.  You don't have to twist anything else.  Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

[MDC 8,039]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't have a problem with that, I just find it "woke" to force the issue in places that fit a narrative.  For example... did ANYONE have a problem with Halle Berry being Cat woman?  No.  Why?  Because she was a character with no background to the main theme.  How about Morgan Freeman being Lucius Fox?  No.  Why?  Same reason as Halle Berry.  They had J. K. Simmons playing Commissioner Gordon.  We know his wife was white.  To have a non-white person to play the role of his daughter is forcing an issue.

You know that none of these people exist, right?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I never claimed that it was not woke or if it was woke.  All I ever said is that the article never claimed that it was canned because it was woke.  That's it.  No more.  You don't have to twist anything else.  Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

Why did it suck? 

[Horseman 2,687]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Well Catwoman is pretty much the only character that you listed that I've ever heard of, so thanks for proving my point.

 

So you're commenting and making assumptions on something you are not familiar with at all.  Thanks for proving everyone's point when they call you a Hack.

[TimHauck 3,377]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't have a problem with that, I just find it "woke" to force the issue in places that fit a narrative.  For example... did ANYONE have a problem with Halle Berry being Cat woman?  No.  Why?  Because she was a character with no background to the main theme.  How about Morgan Freeman being Lucius Fox?  No.  Why?  Same reason as Halle Berry.  They had J. K. Simmons playing Commissioner Gordon.  We know his wife was white.  To have a non-white person to play the role of his daughter is forcing an issue.

I would argue at least part of the reason no one had an issue with Halle Berry or Morgan Freeman or some of the other minorities that were in the movies/show in the past is that people weren't worried about being "anti-woke" then.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I would argue at least part of the reason no one had an issue with Halle Berry or Morgan Freeman or some of the other minorities that were in the movies/show in the past is that people weren't worried about being "anti-woke" then.

It was back when liberals didn't make everything about race and pushed identity politics, so yeah, probably.  Weird, huh?

[TimHauck 3,377]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It was back when liberals didn't make everything about race and pushed identity politics, so yeah, probably.  Weird, huh?

Yes both parties are to blame

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I would argue at least part of the reason no one had an issue with Halle Berry or Morgan Freeman or some of the other minorities that were in the movies/show in the past is that people weren't worried about being "anti-woke" then.

Halle Berry is smokin hot and Morgan Freeman is awesome. Woke never entered into it. They were great for the role. As it should be. Morgan Freeman’s name in Shawshank was Red. The character in the book was an Irish guy. Nobody cared. But woke doesn’t care who’s right for the role or the job and that’s the problem.  

[Horseman 2,687]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I would argue at least part of the reason no one had an issue with Halle Berry or Morgan Freeman or some of the other minorities that were in the movies/show in the past is that people weren't worried about being "anti-woke" then.

Why would you argue about something you know nothing about.  You never heard of Lucius Fox before moron.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes both parties are to blame

That's right... blame the party who fought back against identity politics.

[Horseman 2,687]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Halle Berry is smokin hot and Morgan Freeman is awesome. Woke never entered into it. They were great for the role. As it should be. Morgan Freeman’s name in Shawshank was Red. The character in the book was an Irish guy. Nobody cared. But woke doesn’t care who’s right for the role or the job and that’s the problem.  

Right, probably the best actor available for the roll, no issues with that.  The exact opposite of what was going on with Batgirl.

[TimHauck 3,377]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

So you're commenting and making assumptions on something you are not familiar with at all.  Thanks for supporting everyone's point when they call you a Hack.

You're really trying to say those people you listed were MAJOR characters?

Some major characters, to name a few:

Batman

Alfred

Robin

Batgirl

Catwoman

Harley Quinn

Riddler

Bane

Commissioner Gordon

Two Face

Poison Ivy

Joker

Penguin

 

Basically, only "some versions" of 2 of these characters have been black.    And even based on your list, you didn't list anyone between 1940 and 1979.   Fortunately after then they started including more, but as I said for the most part no one cared since there wasn't an anti-woke agenda back then.

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did it suck? 

I don't know, I didn't watch it.  The movie wasn't even finished yet.  According to new reports it was scrapped for tax purposes.  Apparently they are going to use it as a tax right off.  It's most likely just an excuse but that's what they are saying now.  Here is the original allegation:

As alleged by a "top Hollywood source", Warner Bros. Discovery President and CEO David Zaslav made the decision to scrap the Batgirl movie entirely following disastrous test screenings of the film – this despite a budget that's purported to have extended beyond $100 million.

 

It's said the screenings went down so poorly with test audiences that the studio decided to "cut its losses and run, for the sake of the brand’s future," with the Post's source explaining that the studio believes "an unspeakable ‘Batgirl’ is going to be irredeemable."

[Horseman 2,687]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Basically, only "some versions" of 2 of these characters have been black.    And even based on your list, you didn't list anyone between 1940 and 1979.   Fortunately after then they started including more, but as I said for the most part no one cared since there wasn't an anti-woke agenda back then.

  Look who spent 5 minutes on google trying to get educated for something he knows nothing about!

I chose to list only major characters, your original claim was characters period.  Move the goal posts much?  You thought all the characters in the comics were white.

I demand reparations for 1940 to 1979!  Yes blackizm got a lot more popular in the 70s, funk, disco.  Have you been living under a rock?

[Horseman 2,687]

Hack  

[TimHauck 3,377]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

  Look who spent 5 minutes on google trying to get educated for something he knows nothing about!

I chose to list only major characters, your original claim was characters period.  Move the goal posts much?  You thought all the characters in the comics were white.

I demand reparations for 1940 to 1979!  Yes blackizm got a lot more popular in the 70s, funk, disco.  Have you been living under a rock?

Yes, my original comment was about characters period.  But there have been hundreds of them, so I don't think listing 19 specific instances over an 80 year period (most of which most people would not consider "major") proves that Batman characters were representative of the total population.     What % of total Batman characters in the comics would you estimate were white?  As you may recall, my original post was a question as I wasn't sure and admitted I am not a comic book expert, but from what I've watched my guess would be at least 80%.   

[Horseman 2,687]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, my original comment was about characters period.  But there have been hundreds of them, so I don't think listing 19 specific instances over an 80 year period (most of which most people would not consider "major") proves that Batman characters were representative of the total population.     What % of total Batman characters in the comics would you estimate were white?  As you may recall, my original post was a question as I wasn't sure and admitted I am not a comic book expert, but from what I've watched my guess would be at least 80%.   

What's more racist?  The anti-woke agenda or being completely oblivious to the fact that Batman has a ton of historical black characters and thinking everyone in the comics was white?

[Horseman 2,687]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, my original comment was about characters period.  But there have been hundreds of them, so I don't think listing 19 specific instances over an 80 year period (most of which most people would not consider "major") proves that Batman characters were representative of the total population.     What % of total Batman characters in the comics would you estimate were white?  As you may recall, my original post was a question as I wasn't sure and admitted I am not a comic book expert, but from what I've watched my guess would be at least 80%.   

You're not qualified to determine which characters are major or not.  Until 10 minutes ago you weren't familiar with any of them except catwoman.

Example: Lucius Fox, whom you never heard of before, is so insignificant they got Morgan Freeman to play the role when it went to film.

Looser hack.  

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

What's more racist?  The anti-woke agenda or being completely oblivious to the fact that Batman has a ton of historical black characters and thinking everyone in the comics was white?

The man who played Joker on the TV series wasn't even white.  Did you know he refused to shave his mustache so they just put the white paint over it?  I never noticed as a kid when I watched it.

[Horseman 2,687]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The man who played Joker on the TV series wasn't even white.  Did you know he refused to shave his mustache so they just put the white paint over it?  I never noticed as a kid when I watched it.

White faced racist!

[TimHauck 3,377]

13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

What's more racist?  The anti-woke agenda or being completely oblivious to the fact that Batman has a ton of historical black characters and thinking everyone in the comics was white?

Liar.  I said 80%, not all.  What's your estimate?

[Horseman 2,687]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Liar.  I said 80%, not all.  What's your estimate?

Enough that it's not an issue and hasn't been since the 70s.  Join us in real time reality whenever you're ready Hack.  And again, you've demonstrated that you are not qualified to make such an assessment.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It didn't according to the article.  We have no other way of knowing unless someone that has seen the movie can report on it.

People HAVE seen the movie.  Pre-screenings and test audiences.  They said it's awful and cheap looking.  

[nobody 2,926]

6 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

By all reports the movie was simply awful in pre-screenings and testings.  And it looked cheap.

All of this other nonsense you're believing about "not fitting the plan" or "not wanting to market it" is horshit.  Those are excuses to use when you don't want to admit your film is awful and don't want to embarrass the filmmakers.

Preach.  I'm sure they didn't preview the movie and say, "Wow, what a masterpiece!  Too bad it doesn't have a blockbuster budget with a bunch of special effects.  Let's sh¡tcan it"

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

For those of you playing obtuse about this let me ask you this:

Do you REALLY think if the audiences and executives who have seen the test screenings and said it was awesome and great that WB still wouldn't release it?

You need to use your noggin' here.  They're not releasing it because it's not good.  In fact, it's so bad that they believe even reshoots can't save it.  THAT is how bad it is.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Preach.  I'm sure they didn't preview the movie and say, "Wow, what a masterpiece!  Too bad it doesn't have a blockbuster budget with a bunch of special effects.  Let's sh¡tcan it"

1000000000%. 

[nobody 2,926]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dumping the film embarrasses the filmmakers.

Again- the film was made for HBO Max. Discovery wants major tentpole films- the new head guy is on record saying this- and this was not that. So it was either spend a lot more money to make it more apt for a theater or cut bait. They chose to cut bait. 

It has a lot to do with Discovery's bottom line cutting. Nothing to do with the actress being Latina and is not as cut and dry as "movie was terrible."

You guys keep saying it's "about the bottom line."  I'm not sure you guys know what that means.  Bottom line is profit after expenses. A 90 million dollar write off doesn't help the bottom line more than turning a profit on a movie you already have 85% complete.  Sure, you probably get some tax help, but you wouldn't throw away profit to get tax help.