Batgirl film will not see the light of day after shooting complete for $100ish million

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

By all reports the movie was simply awful in pre-screenings and testings.  And it looked cheap.

All of this other nonsense you're believing about "not fitting the plan" or "not wanting to market it" is horshit.  Those are excuses to use when you don't want to admit your film is awful and don't want to embarrass the filmmakers.

Dumping the film embarrasses the filmmakers.

Again- the film was made for HBO Max. Discovery wants major tentpole films- the new head guy is on record saying this- and this was not that. So it was either spend a lot more money to make it more apt for a theater or cut bait. They chose to cut bait. 

It has a lot to do with Discovery's bottom line cutting. Nothing to do with the actress being Latina and is not as cut and dry as "movie was terrible."

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Dumping the film embarrasses the filmmakers.

Again- the film was made for HBO Max. Discovery wants major tentpole films- the new head guy is on record saying this- and this was not that. So it was either spend a lot more money to make it more apt for a theater or cut bait. They chose to cut bait. 

It has a lot to do with Discovery's bottom line cutting. Nothing to do with the actress being Latina and is not as cut and dry as "movie was terrible."

It it were good they would have still dumped it then? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m no authority on comic books either, but Batman was created in 1939 (and Batgirl first appeared in 1961).  Weren’t pretty much ALL the characters “historically white”?  I think there’s a difference between making 60-80 year old series’ more current with the times and “being woke.”

More current times?  What's changed.  Black people made up 10% of the US population 70 years ago, today they're 13%.  You're saying that's a substantial increase?

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It it were good they would have still dumped it then? 

Based off of what they are saying- yes. They are not talking quality of the film, they are talking how it looks for a theatrical release. 

You guys are focusing on "terrible" as meaning quality of the movie- "terrible" could be referring to the look of the movie. Movies that are made for streaming look cheaper than movies made for a theater screen. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

32 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Correct.  So basically we're all guessing.

The problem is now that anytime anything fails, the right cries go woke go broke.  Its silly

So, just to be clear, the article never said that the reason for the failure of the movie was because the actress wasn't white.  They simply pointed out that fact.  The article did specifically note that the reason the movie was pulled and was probably pulled because the reviews were terrible.  People like you are just complaining because the fact that the actress's race was noted.  Something that libtards complained about when a person's race was noted during criminal acts... because more times than not, that person was black.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Based off of what they are saying- yes. They are not talking quality of the film, they are talking how it looks for a theatrical release. 

You guys are focusing on "terrible" as meaning quality of the movie- "terrible" could be referring to the look of the movie. Movies that are made for streaming look cheaper than movies made for a theater screen. 

G.T.F.O.H. with that crap.  It's called an excuse and you're buying.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

I see it as there are three types of people when it comes to this stuff. You have people that like woke content , you have people that don’t care, and then you have people that don’t like it.  What’s the smallest of those three groupings? Especially for these type of movies? 

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

G.T.F.O.H. with that crap.  It's called an excuse and you're buying.

G.T.F.O.H. with your crap. The head of Discovery has been saying stuff about tentpole theatrical films since he became the head in April when the merger went through. He very openly said he was going to tour talking with everyone and one of the things he heard over and over was how upset the theater runners (and some actors and directors, etc) were that HBO Max did the film releases on the streaming sites same day in 2021. He wanted to fix that. Those comments came 2-3 months before this.

It's called being aware of a situation and everything said rather than reacting to one news story in the moment. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

G.T.F.O.H. with your crap. The head of Discovery has been saying stuff about tentpole theatrical films since he became the head in April when the merger went through. He very openly said he was going to tour talking with everyone and one of the things he heard over and over was how upset the theater runners (and some actors and directors, etc) were that HBO Max did the film releases on the streaming sites same day in 2021. He wanted to fix that. Those comments came 2-3 months before this.

It's called being aware of a situation and everything said rather than reacting to one news story in the moment. 

Like I said, an excuse you want to buy.

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I see it as there are three types of people when it comes to this stuff. You have people that like woke content , you have people that don’t care, and then you have people that don’t like it.  What’s the smallest of those three groupings? Especially for these type of movies? 

The smallest group is the people who don't like it but they are the loudest so they get what they want because they take it as some personal affront.

The largest group is the group of people who don't care. It's always that group that is the largest. 

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Like I said, an excuse you want to buy.

Like I said- you don't read enough so you don't know so you take the simplest item because it fits your narrative. It's not that hard to read. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Like I said- you don't read enough so you don't know so you take the simplest item because it fits your narrative. It's not that hard to read. 

I don't have to read it.  When liberals need to skate around the obvious, they come up with a story that people like you will believe... and you do.  Simple as that really.

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't have to read it.  When liberals need to skate around the obvious, they come up with a story that people like you will believe... and you do.  Simple as that really.

"you take the simplest item because it fits your narrative."

thanks for proving my point. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

"you take the simplest item because it fits your narrative."

thanks for proving my point. 

Whatever makes you happy.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The smallest group is the people who don't like it but they are the loudest so they get what they want because they take it as some personal affront.

The largest group is the group of people who don't care. It's always that group that is the largest. 

I disagree when it comes to these types of movies. Young men, and boys, target audience, dislike woke more than the ones who like it. You’re just dead wrong. 

[Mike Honcho 5,534]

I am constantly surprised at when some topics on the bored have legs.  This is one of those times.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

39 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So, just to be clear, the article never said that the reason for the failure of the movie was because the actress wasn't white.  They simply pointed out that fact.  The article did specifically note that the reason the movie was pulled and was probably pulled because the reviews were terrible.  People like you are just complaining because the fact that the actress's race was noted.  Something that libtards complained about when a person's race was noted during criminal acts... because more times than not, that person was black.

You can't be this dumb.  The article states that the movie was dumped because it tested bad, and that the lead is latina.  The author wants you to draw the conclusion that it was dumped because woke, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.  But the truth likely different 

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I disagree when it comes to these types of movies. Young men, and boys, target audience, dislike woke more than the ones who like it. You’re just dead wrong. 

What superhero movies do you think are woke?

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

You can't be this dumb.  The article states that the movie was dumped because it tested bad, and that the lead is latina.  The author wants you to draw the conclusion that it was dumped because woke, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.  But the truth likely different 

Also- it;s the New York Post who wrote it. The trade magazines have far more complex stuff about it. 

[Horseman 2,687]

10 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

God you are dense and stupid. It literally says "Spending the money to expand the scope for theaters."

Learn to read for goodness sake. 

Plain and simple- it was budgeted and scaled for an at home release on HBO Max. Discovery now owns the company and says it doesn't work for want they want from films and they refuse to spend the money to make it that instead taking the loss.

It's right there in simple English. You know- the English you claim to understand.

The increase in scope is the work on putting it in theaters and advertising. They tell you exactly what the 30-50 million extra is for in the following stentaces you dumb fok.  You think they meant that there is some shooting or coding that the need to do to the actual film itself?  

56 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dumping the film embarrasses the filmmakers.

Again- the film was made for HBO Max. Discovery wants major tentpole films- the new head guy is on record saying this- and this was not that. So it was either spend a lot more money to make it more apt for a theater or cut bait. They chose to cut bait. 

It has a lot to do with Discovery's bottom line cutting. Nothing to do with the actress being Latina and is not as cut and dry as "movie was terrible."

Make it more apt?  Holy fok, you think they were thinking of reshooting the entire movie on different film or something.  You are the stoopidest person on the planet.  . 

[Sean Mooney 2,057]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The increase in scope is the work on putting it in theaters and advertising. They tell you exactly what the 30-50 million extra is for in the following stentaces you dumb fok.  You think they meant that there is some shooting or coding that the need to do to the actual film itself?  

Make it more apt?  Holy fok, you think they were thinking of reshooting the entire movie on different film or something.  You are the stoopidest person on the planet.  . 

I'm done trying to discuss with you.

So I will just respond to you in the language you understand going forward.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

29 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What superhero movies do you think are woke?

I have read that many of them are. I don’t watch them. Are you going to claim none of them are now? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

The smallest group is the people who don't like it but they are the loudest so they get what they want because they take it as some personal affront.

The largest group is the group of people who don't care. It's always that group that is the largest. 

Mooney thinks it’s the anti woke that are the loudest. Corporations paying millions directly to woke organizations, the pro noun and the transgender crap you can’t get away from, a summer of riots. Any future riots, CRT in schools. Yeah, the woke are struggling to be heard. This is the world this guy sees. Insane. 

[Horseman 2,687]

35 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm done trying to discuss with you.

So I will just respond to you in the language you understand going forward.

You're done because you're wrong. Nothing left to do but run. 

Tell us exactly what you think constitutes "make more theatrical" or "make more apt for theaters".  Your own words from your tiny brain. Tell us exactly what that entails or GTFO.  

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

That may be true, we simply don't know, it's all speculation, but to suggest the film is awful because the lead is latina is a ridiculous theory with zero basis in fact.

This is not a go woke go broke scenario.

 

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Correct.  So basically we're all guessing.

The problem is now that anytime anything fails, the right cries go woke go broke.  Its silly

No one is suggesting it's bad because the lead is a Latina.  What they are suggesting is that the writers and creatives sacrificed story and character at the altar of Wokeness and Virtue Signaling.  That's the whole point behind the "Get Woke, Go Broke" mantra.  It's not about the race of the person, it's about businesses ruining their product because they want to appease the woke Gods.

You don't make a movie because "Gee, what would this movie be like with a <insert your favorite race here>".  You make it because you have a good story, good characters and people are interested in going to see it.

Also, we may not know the true details, but there are enough reports out there to corroborate what everyone suspects - that the film was simply awful and cheap looking.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No one is suggesting it's bad because the lead is a Latina.

Justin pretty much did with the very first sentence in this thread.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dumping the film embarrasses the filmmakers.

Again- the film was made for HBO Max. Discovery wants major tentpole films- the new head guy is on record saying this- and this was not that. So it was either spend a lot more money to make it more apt for a theater or cut bait. They chose to cut bait. 

It has a lot to do with Discovery's bottom line cutting. Nothing to do with the actress being Latina and is not as cut and dry as "movie was terrible."

The reports coming out are diametrically opposed to your opinion.  People who have seen the pre-screening and testing all report that it was awful and cheap looking.

The only people suggesting it's bad because the actress is Latina is the Woke liberals trying to find a reason to pin something false on "the other side".  You either don't understand the "Get Woke, Go Broke" mantra because you're just not that bright or you're being purposefully obtuse.  Which is it?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The reports coming out are diametrically opposed to your opinion.  People who have seen the pre-screening and testing all report that it was awful and cheap looking.

The only people suggesting it's bad because the actress is Latina is the Woke liberals trying to find a reason to pin something false on "the other side".  You either don't understand the "Get Woke, Go Broke" mantra because you're just not that bright or you're being purposefully obtuse.  Which is it?

He thinks the woke don’t have a voice and it’s the anti woke that make all the noise. I guess if you are woke it’s not noise to you but gospel. The other side is all noise. 

[Horseman 2,687]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The reports coming out are diametrically opposed to your opinion.  People who have seen the pre-screening and testing all report that it was awful and cheap looking.

The only people suggesting it's bad because the actress is Latina is the Woke liberals trying to find a reason to pin something false on "the other side".  You either don't understand the "Get Woke, Go Broke" mantra because you're just not that bright or you're being purposefully obtuse.  Which is it?

He's not that bright.  @Sean Mooney thinks they didn't want to spend more money to make it "theatrical" (a process he made up in his head) for release in theaters.  Like hiring Gaga to come in and sing the theme songs at all the dramatic moments or something.  Simultaneously he's claiming that by doing that it's not about the quality of the film, hiring Gaga wouldn't make it a any better.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Justin pretty much did with the very first sentence in this thread.

I disagree.  I interpreted Justin's take as they were so concerned with casting a minority that they sacrificed story, characters and quality to appease the Woke Dogma.

The process should be write and craft a fantastic story and hire the cast based on that.  What they did was hire a minority and then wrote the story based on who they hired.

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I disagree.  I interpreted Justin's take as they were so concerned with casting a minority that they sacrificed story, characters and quality to appease the Woke Dogma.

I didn't see any wokeness affecting the decision but that's just my opinion.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't see any wokeness affecting the decision but that's just my opinion.

How can’t you say that without seeing it? Oh that’s right, you’re a centrist. 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

How can’t you say that without seeing it? Oh that’s right, you’re a centrist. 

I'm talking about the article.  It didn't mention anything about that being a reason for them scrapping the movie.  People like you are just assuming it's the reason.  It's annoying.  I have no idea if the actual movie was woke or not and either do you.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm talking about the article.  It didn't mention anything about that being a reason for them scrapping the movie.  People like you are just assuming it's the reason.  It's annoying.  I have no idea if the actual movie was woke or not and either do you.

Then why did you say wokeness didn’t affect the movie? 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why did you say wokeness didn’t affect the movie? 

It didn't according to the article.  We have no other way of knowing unless someone that has seen the movie can report on it.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It didn't according to the article.  We have no other way of knowing unless someone that has seen the movie can report on it.

But you assume it wasn’t woke based on nothing.  Got it. Your bias is clear, centrist. 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

But you assume it wasn’t woke based on nothing.  Got it. Your bias is clear, centrist. 

Are you focking dense or something?  All I said is that the article does not say that it was canceled due to being woke.  I'm not saying it was or wasn't.  The only people who are assuming are morons like you.

[Horseman 2,687]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm talking about the article.  It didn't mention anything about that being a reason for them scrapping the movie.  People like you are just assuming it's the reason.  It's annoying.  I have no idea if the actual movie was woke or not and either do you.

How many times we do we have to go over this?  They casted a Latino in a historically white role.  And they didn't do it because she was the best actress available, she had only done one other film that flopped.  That alone is woke.  They also had both of her parents, JK Simmons and Rebecca Font cast as pale white people.  We know batgirl isn't adopted as she shares her mother's first name.  They might have canned the whole thing because of that woke faux pas alone.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You can't be this dumb.  The article states that the movie was dumped because it tested bad, and that the lead is latina.  The author wants you to draw the conclusion that it was dumped because woke, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.  But the truth likely different 

Wrong moron.  I read that the movie got dumped because it stunk.  Done.  I read that they had a Latina actress.  I took that to mean they were being woke.  Done.  Two separate things.  Because I called them out for being woke, you wanted that to mean that I was implying that it was the reason it failed.  Maybe your bias lead you to that.  That's a YOU problem, not a me problem.

[TimHauck 3,377]

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

More current times?  What's changed.  Black people made up 10% of the US population 70 years ago, today they're 13%.  You're saying that's a substantial increase?

And what % of "historical" Batman characters were black?