Fantasy Geek Balls League - Season Chatter

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

What’s your team name?

Buck Wheelies. I've always wanted to name a team that based on the yellow sign with the buck rearing up.

Najee Harris has been an epic bust. Hasn't broken even 75 yards once, and zero rushing touchdowns. He's got one lousy passing TD. 

I didn't expect Derrick Henry numbers, but that's pitiful for a Steelers running back. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

THOUGHTS:

-yes to the 1 required rb (i believe i requested this)

-start 10 instead of 9

-increase roster size

-ir of 3-5

- no to transition limits

- do not lock dropped players (to avoid churming)

-1 ww period, then fcfs fa until a player's game

 

 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

13 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Buck Wheelies. I've always wanted to name a team that based on the yellow sign with the buck rearing up.

Najee Harris has been an epic bust. Hasn't broken even 75 yards once, and zero rushing touchdowns. He's got one lousy passing TD. 

I didn't expect Derrick Henry numbers, but that's pitiful for a Steelers running back. 

i expected about 70 rec on the year from harris.  did not have many opportunities to draft him. passed for JT t 3 spot    ; took jefferson in our league at 6. very happy with that

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

31 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

THOUGHTS:

-yes to the 1 required rb (i believe i requested this)

-start 10 instead of 9

-increase roster size

-ir of 3-5

- no to transition limits

- do not lock dropped players (to avoid churming)

-1 ww period, then fcfs fa until a player's game

 

 

If enough people want 1 RB, 2 flex, we can certainly go that direction. 
 

I wouldn’t be in favor of starting 10 over 9 personally 
 

definitely not in favor of increasing roster sizes (unless we do start 10) and not in favor of increasing IR spots because those can be used for any OUT designation. I don’t want, in essence, a 5 man taxi squad. This isn’t a deep keeper league. 
 

the league was intended to have weekly waivers followed by FCFS until players lock at the start of their game. Everything is working as intended aside from players being dropped as part of FCFS I believe have been going on waivers. That part was not intended but that’s what happens with a quickly formed league. 

[edjr 6,607]

2nd high score, lose. I quit

[Herbivore 1,134]

I am against all proposed changes. if anything, I would remove IR.

[Horseman 2,472]

5 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

It looks like I appropriately named the JFC Division

That's the change I'd suggest.  Divisions are dumb.  That division winner is going to end up stealing a playoff spot from a winning team.

[Horseman 2,472]

4 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

If you had only 5, 10 or 20 transactions to make would you have drafted differently?

 

4 hours ago, bostonlager said:

If we do transactions limits we need to bump up roster size by 4 or so. I like deep benches anyways and would vote for a 20 round draft. 

Disagree.  It would make the waiver wire effectively meaningless unless it was done by bid amount like it is in competition leagues.

 But yeah, if you limit transactions you have to expand the bench otherwise your whole team could get wiped out with injury and you wouldn't be able to pick anyone up.

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

Just now, Horseman said:

That's the change I'd suggest.  Divisions are dumb.  Division winner is going to end up stealing a playoff spot from a winning team.

meh. happens in the NFL, which sometimes people use as reasoning why they want a certain rule/format/scoring in fantasy.

Edjr is #2 in total points scored and there are also 6 weeks to go, a team can easily come out of that division with a winning record.

The current 18 week NFL schedule, 17 week fantasy schedule with 14 regular season games works really nice with 3 divisions of 4 by playing each division opponent twice and everyone else once. But I am certainly open to 2 conferences of 6 teams or just one big overall standings. I have not taken part in a league like that in several years but am not against it. 

[Horseman 2,472]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

2nd high score, lose. I quit

Wiped out by a 200+ point score.  

That's karma for being such an ornery fok.  

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

Disagree.  It would make the waiver wire effectively meaningless unless it was done by bid amount like it is in competition leagues.

 But yeah, if you limit transactions you have to expand the bench otherwise your whole team could get wiped out with injury and you wouldn't be able to pick anyone up.

I am willing to put almost anything to a vote. My main goal in all the leagues I run is for everyone to have a good time. 

Transaction limits is NOT one of those things. Anyone who happens to play in such a league should reconsider. As I mentioned earlier, transaction limits can make sense in fantasy basketball and baseball because those leagues work on weekly matchups where owners can use a few back end bench spots to make add/drops all week and pad their counting stats. FF does not work that way. There is no way I would ever limit an owners ability to tinker with their roster as they wish. 

And expanding roster sizes is not a good compromise. All that does is weaken the free agent pool to the point of a dynasty league free agent pool. 

Like Horse said above, a rash of injuries just kills you if your transactions are limited... but at the same time expanding benches by a few won't totally help that potential issue. 

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

I am making a mental note of all proposed changes for 2023 (minus transaction limits )... and we will definitely vote on everything around July 2023. Most likely I would want to see a two thirds majority to push a change through. 

Blind Bid waivers will also be up for debate although even if we up the stakes I still view this more as a casual, friendly forum league... which I believe rolling waiver is more suited for. 

[Horseman 2,472]

I actually prefer 10 team leagues with a roster at 15 or 16 because it forces you to make the tough decisions on dropping good players and which ones to pick up.  I always have the most waiver wire moves in every league I've ever played.   After the draft any dolt can just sit there starting the studs and plugging in whoever has the highest projection.  It's the waiver wire where you're really playing fantasy football.

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I actually prefer 10 team leagues with a roster at 15 or 16 because it forces you to make the tough decisions on dropping good players and which ones to pick up.  I always have the most waiver wire moves in every league I've ever played.   After the draft any dolt can just sit there starting the studs and plugging in whoever has the highest projection.  It's the waiver wire where you're really playing fantasy football.

I dont prefer 10 teamers but when people criticize 10, or even 8 team leagues, I generally step to their defense for this very reason. Regardless of league size, everyone is playing by the same rules. Those who separate themselves will be the ones who identified the values in the draft and those who worked the waiver wire the best. Highest projections tend to mean very little in my book though. There usually another level of separation between the people who blindly start what the host site has as projections and the owners who ignore those to an extent in favor of their own research. 

[Horseman 2,472]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I dont prefer 10 teamers but when people criticize 10, or even 8 team leagues, I generally step to their defense for this very reason. Regardless of league size, everyone is playing by the same rules. Those who separate themselves will be the ones who identified the values in the draft and those who worked the waiver wire the best. Highest projections tend to mean very little in my book though. There usually another level of separation between the people who blindly start what the host site has as projections and the owners who ignore those to an extent in favor of their own research. 

Which ww addition has been the most impactful so far in our league?

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Which ww addition has been the most impactful so far in our league?

just going by memory it has to be Kenneth Walker who was dropped and claimed by Bier before I could add him. Although that may have been a free agent add after waivers had run. 

now I am curious. going to take a look at all the waiver adds 

[bostonlager 2,665]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

just going by memory it has to be Kenneth Walker who was dropped and claimed by Bier before I could add him. Although that may have been a free agent add after waivers had run. 

now I am curious. going to take a look at all the waiver adds 

That is why I like deep benches. In my other league I drafted KW and was able to sit on him until it was GO time

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Which ww addition has been the most impactful so far in our league?

waiver adds I will say

1. Raheem Mostert

2. Gus Edwards

3. Eno Benjamin

4. David Njoku

[Bier Meister 1,715]

31 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I actually prefer 10 team leagues with a roster at 15 or 16 because it forces you to make the tough decisions on dropping good players and which ones to pick up.  I always have the most waiver wire moves in every league I've ever played.   After the draft any dolt can just sit there starting the studs and plugging in whoever has the highest projection.  It's the waiver wire where you're really playing fantasy football.

i have the complete opposite view. give me a deep bench and let me not have to drop mccaffrey or barkley when they get hurt. doing so diminishes our acumen. 

being able to grab an injured star player only because you don't have the same injury issues makes no sense to me 

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

2 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

That is why I like deep benches. In my other league I drafted KW and was able to sit on him until it was GO time

I don't see this as a deeper bench issue, I see this as a very questionable drop of KW, who was drafted. We have also had a questionable drop of Khalil Herbert. 

In most competitive leagues, guys like this.. as well as Mattison, Jamaal Williams, Michael Carter do not get dropped. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

5 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

That is why I like deep benches. In my other league I drafted KW and was able to sit on him until it was GO time

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

Just now, Bier Meister said:

i have the complete opposite view. give me a deep bench and let me not have to drop mccaffrey or barkley when they get hurt. doing so diminishes our acumen. 

being able to grab an injured star player only because you don't have the same injury issues makes no sense to me 

when would this ever happen? That would be one very bad league.... With 2 IR slots, there is very little chance you would ever have to decide to drop a star because you need the bench spot. Even if you had a 3rd injured star, chances are you have a more scrubby/speculative player to drop. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don't see this as a deeper bench issue, I see this as a very questionable drop of KW, who was drafted. We have also had a questionable drop of Khalil Herbert. 

In most competitive leagues, guys like this.. as well as Mattison, Jamaal Williams, Michael Carter do not get dropped. 

16 player roster promotes this due to byes and injuries.  one may not be able to wait on walker while penny was healthy and playing well

[Bier Meister 1,715]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

when would this ever happen? That would be one very bad league.... With 2 IR slots, there is very little chance you would ever have to decide to drop a star because you need the bench spot. Even if you had a 3rd injured star, chances are you have a more scrubby/speculative player to drop. 

I am in 2 deep dynasties that have been decimated with injuries over the past 2-3 years.  we have much larger rosters, but even so, there were weeks that were difficult to field healthy bodies.

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

Just now, Bier Meister said:

16 player roster promotes this due to byes and injuries.  one may not be able to wait on walker while penny was healthy and playing well

agree to disagree. 16 player roster is a 7 player bench with 2 IR spots. I find it VERY hard to believe that a team would have so many injuries and bye weeks that the 7/2 bench would not be enough to protect an asset like Walker. 

In my 12 team home league with the exact same bench and IR, an owner has been dealing with injuries to Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas and others all year and kep walker the entire time despite having Kamara, Ekeler, Stevenson and Hall. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

agree to disagree. 16 player roster is a 7 player bench with 2 IR spots. I find it VERY hard to believe that a team would have so many injuries and bye weeks that the 7/2 bench would not be enough to protect an asset like Walker. 

In my 12 team home league with the exact same bench and IR, an owner has been dealing with injuries to Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas and others all year and kep walker the entire time despite having Kamara, Ekeler, Stevenson and Hall. 

i think it makes ww/fa too forgiving

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

2 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I am in 2 deep dynasties that have been decimated with injuries over the past 2-3 years.  we have much larger rosters, but even so, there were weeks that were difficult to field healthy bodies.

I have 3 deep dynasties, one being an IDP.

the IDP for example has rosters of 35 plus IR spots. Even in very bad injury years, free agency is extremely bare. It is rare beyond rare that any hot weekly waiver name is not already rostered. My team is a great example. I have lost Javonte, Jeremy Chinn, Irv Smith and Marquise Brown to IR. I own Jameson Williams. I had Dak out and have dealt weekly with the injury issues to Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas. It has impacted my record to 4-4 and it has made lineups tight but every team owns 2-3 easily droppable players in the extreme case a full team can't be fielded. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I have 3 deep dynasties, one being an IDP.

the IDP for example has rosters of 35 plus IR spots. Even in very bad injury years, free agency is extremely bare. It is rare beyond rare that any hot weekly waiver name is not already rostered. My team is a great example. I have lost Javonte, Jeremy Chinn, Irv Smith and Marquise Brown to IR. I own Jameson Williams. I had Dak out and have dealt weekly with the injury issues to Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas. It has impacted my record to 4-4 and it has made lineups tight but every team owns 2-3 easily droppable players in the extreme case a full team can't be fielded. 

yes. one is idp; 38 regular, 5 ir, 7 taxi.  last year at a high i had 18-20 on the NFL's official IR... so that is not counting watson and ridley suspensions and all of the out/questionable status... plus byes and covid

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

Also for reference, I looked back and the teams that dropped Walker and Herbert did so for players who were MORE speculative and seem to have had other droppable players rostered. We had even seen what Herbert was capable of already.

I'm not knocking these owners. I think everyone in the league knows that they are doing and their decisions are their decisions. 

Yes, expanded rosters might mean they could have added whom they added and also kept Walker and Herbert but this is also why I feel deep benches are lazy. They keep owners from having to make the tough decisions. 

[bostonlager 2,665]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Also for reference, I looked back and the teams that dropped Walker and Herbert did so for players who were MORE speculative and seem to have had other droppable players rostered. We had even seen what Herbert was capable of already.

I'm not knocking these owners. I think everyone in the league knows that they are doing and their decisions are their decisions. 

Yes, expanded rosters might mean they could have added whom they added and also kept Walker and Herbert but this is also why I feel deep benches are lazy. They keep owners from having to make the tough decisions. 

Bolded is exactly who I am. 

 

As a somewhat serious counter though, I think deep benches requires much more draft prep. Trying to find guys to stash that may play out later in the season and having the patience to wait it out. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

Yes, expanded rosters might mean they could have added whom they added and also kept Walker and Herbert but this is also why I feel deep benches are lazy. They keep owners from having to make the tough decisions. 

I don't think it is lazy at all.  I think it rewards research. I have not used the ww/fa much for this league. 

1) I like my players.  there is not much fa fodder that I would trade for.

2) knock on wood i have had few injuries.

3) part of my philosophy around FF is that i can draft a better team (so I typically try to run with that). if injuries pop up, or i speculate an upgrade ill do it

[Bier Meister 1,715]

5 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

Bolded is exactly who I am. 

 

As a somewhat serious counter though, I think deep benches requires much more draft prep. Trying to find guys to stash that may play out later in the season and having the patience to wait it out. 

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

7 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

As a somewhat serious counter though, I think deep benches requires much more draft prep. Trying to find guys to stash that may play out later in the season and having the patience to wait it out. 

maybe to the first part, although with the plethora of free FF information out there, it's not nearly as difficult for the casual FF player  to identify stash players as it used to be.

disagree with the second part, as the very nature of having deep benches means they don't need the patience to wait it out. 

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

3 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I don't think it is lazy at all.  I think it rewards research. I have not used the ww/fa much for this league. 

1) I like my players.  there is not much fa fodder that I would trade for.

2) knock on wood i have had few injuries.

3) part of my philosophy around FF is that i can draft a better team (so I typically try to run with that). if injuries pop up, or i speculate an upgrade ill do it

Yes, it can reward research, though as I noted in my response to Lager, I think the plethora of free info out there narrows the gap between smart FFers who research and casual FFers who pick a website. 

At 18 moves, I have apparently used FA/WW more than I thought I would. 

1. It has nothing to do with not liking my players. My core, drafted team remains intact, save for Tight End where I was wrong about Kmet and now Irv Smith is done. 

2. I have had some injuries and have used that as an opportunity to take some fliers.. and my DST and Kicker have already hit their byes, making me add on those spots.

3. I feel the same way. Not so much a philosophy, more a strength. I have always excelled more in leagues because of the quality of my drafts as opposed to my ability to work the wire. In other redrafts, I am usually the one who drafted certain players, and made the bad decision to let them go right before they pop........ but even being THAT guy, I don't want more bench spots. I like the challenge of having to make the hard calls. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

6 hours ago, Herbivore said:

I am against all proposed changes. if anything, I would remove IR.

Eat sh!t. I need Patterson and Chase back to make a push. 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

3 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Eat sh!t. I need Patterson and Chase back to make a push. 

Absolutely!!!

[Alias Detective 1,406]

OMFG WW.  You would drive me nuts IRL.  🥸

[Bier Meister 1,715]

3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

OMFG WW.  You would drive me nuts IRL.  🥸

 

not I. While I disagree with some ideas, I appreciate his approach and where he’s coming from. 
 

definitely my type of people

[Alias Detective 1,406]

2 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

 

not I. While I disagree with some ideas, I appreciate his approach and where he’s coming from. 
 

definitely my type of people

[Horseman 2,472]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

just going by memory it has to be Kenneth Walker who was dropped and claimed by Bier before I could add him. Although that may have been a free agent add after waivers had run. 

now I am curious. going to take a look at all the waiver adds 

 

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

waiver adds I will say

1. Raheem Mostert

2. Gus Edwards

3. Eno Benjamin

4. David Njoku

Right. I had in mind Walker (who I drafted and dropped) and Mostert (who someone else dropped and I was able to grab).  So for me anyway two moves and essentially a wash.  10 team leagues makes that happen more often and I usually get the better of them.