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[edjr 7,034]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

That's surprising, not that Browns gonna Brown, but that it's been over 20 years.  It doesn't seem so obscure for a team to score with just under 2 minutes to play and to have 2 or 3 timeouts to get the ball back one more time.   

They got the ball back with an onside kick. What are the %s of that in todays NFL?

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What is the probability of recovering an onside kick?

 

 

Due to new rules regarding onside kick formations, the recovery rate in the NFL has fallen to just over 8%, leaving very little incentive for teams to try this unconventional play. In college football, however, onside kicks were successfully recovered by the kicking team 23.8% of the time between 2014-2020.May 24, 2021

[jerryskids 7,194]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

They got the ball back with an onside kick. What are the %s of that in todays NFL?

Looks like it's gone from 21% to 6% since they've eliminated the running starts by the kickoff team.  Still high enough to have a few teams win because of it.   

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Onside kick success dropped from 21 percent to 6 percent after new rule

Posted by Michael David  Smith on November 3, 2019, 7:59 AM EST

 

When the NFL changed the rules governing kickoffs before the 2018 season, little was said about onside kicks. The focus was on the vast majority of kickoffs, in which the ball is kicked deep and players run full-speed down the field to try to make a tackle, resulting in plenty of head-on collisions.

But onside kicks have become a major casualty of the new kickoff rules, which prevent players from getting a running start before the ball is kicked.

In the 2017 NFL season there were 57 onside kicks and the kicking team recovered 12 of them, or 21 percent. In 2018-2019, under the new rules, there have been 79 onside kicks and the kicking team has recovered 5 of them, or 6 percent.

It’s hard not to think the NFL needs to revise that rule to give teams a better chance of recovering onside kicks. Perhaps the NFL could allow players on the kicking team to get a running start if the kickoff travels less than 20 yards. Or perhaps the NFL could give teams the opportunity to run an offensive play to keep the ball: The Alliance of American Football allowed teams to run one offensive play, and if they gained 12 yards on that play they kept the ball. Another option could be allowing teams to go for two from the 15-yard line, where extra points are spotted, and get both two points and the ball back if they succeed on the conversion.

Something needs to be done. A recovered onside kick has been a key play in some of the best comebacks in NFL history. Those comebacks simply don’t stand a chance anymore.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/03/onside-kick-success-dropped-from-21-percent-to-6-percent-after-new-rule/

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Trubisky can suck a d!ck! 

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11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That's surprising, not that Browns gonna Brown, but that it's been over 20 years.  It doesn't seem so obscure for a team to score with just under 2 minutes to play and to have 2 or 3 timeouts to get the ball back one more time.   

I was born in Cleveland and back in the day I had a ton of family living there.  I was at "Browns going to the Super Bowl" parties for both of the losses to the Broncos. I will never forget how just absolutely silent it got as everything unfolded.

Browns invent ways to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

[edjr 7,034]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Looks like it's gone from 21% to 6% since they've eliminated the running starts by the kickoff team.  Still high enough to have a few teams win because of it.   

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/03/onside-kick-success-dropped-from-21-percent-to-6-percent-after-new-rule/

That is what makes it so difficult. They didnt get the ball back because they made a stop. They got very lucky

Out of that 6% that get the onside kick, how many of them you think score a TD? you're talking less than 2% I bet of team that try an onside kick, get the ball and score a TD

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11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I was born in Cleveland and back in the day I had a ton of family living there.  I was at "Browns going to the Super Bowl" parties for both of the losses to the Broncos. I will never forget how just absolutely silent it got as everything unfolded.

Browns invent ways to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

I liked those browns teams. That byner fumble was very unfortunate 🥲

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28 minutes ago, edjr said:

That is what makes it so difficult. They didnt get the ball back because they made a stop. They got very lucky

Out of that 6% that get the onside kick, how many of them you think score a TD? you're talking less than 2% I bet of team that try an onside kick, get the ball and score a TD

It was 21% from 2001 to 2019.  I'd have guessed something greater than 0 but, apparently not.   

[Mike Honcho 5,543]

Looks like they updated the rules some more---after the no running start and making the kicking team lineup guys equally on either side of the kicker.  This was before the 2021 season.

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The rule will require the receiving team to have no more than nine players lined up in the “setup zone,” which is defined as the area between 10 and 25 yards from the spot of the kickoff.

Previously, NFL teams always put either 10 or 11 players in the setup zone when they were expecting the opposing team to onside kick. According to the NFL’s tracking data, receiving teams expecting an onside kick line up with 10 players in the setup zone 87 percent of the time, and all 11 players in the setup zone the other 13 percent of the time.

With only nine players in the setup zone, fewer players on the receiving team will be in a position to recover the onside kick, and the kicking team will have a better chance to get to the ball.

Since the NFL changed the kickoff rules to prohibit a running start by the kicking team, onside kicks have become much less successful. This new rule may change that.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

I was born in Cleveland and back in the day I had a ton of family living there.  I was at "Browns going to the Super Bowl" parties for both of the losses to the Broncos. I will never forget how just absolutely silent it got as everything unfolded.

Browns invent ways to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

they should have beat the chiefs in the playoffs with mahomes out.  dropped passes, letting the backup QB scramble for a 1st down.  i think that was the fumble out of the end zone game too.  that loss would rank as one of the most devastating playoff losses of all time except the browns already have so many of those that it gets lost in the noise.

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19 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Pollard once again proves Zeke is the 2nd best rb on the team. 

Zeke 4.2 ypc

Pollard 3.4 ypc

Pollard would make an excellent 3rd down back except he's a liability in pass blocking.  They need to go back to Zeke being the featured back with Pollard only spelling him when he's tired.  This splitting series crap has got to stop.

[Cruzer 1,996]

34 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Zeke 4.2 ypc

Pollard 3.4 ypc

Pollard would make an excellent 3rd down back except he's a liability in pass blocking.  They need to go back to Zeke being the featured back with Pollard only spelling him when he's tired.  This splitting series crap has got to stop.

Another stat guy..... 

Are you a new Dallas observer, have you watched any of the games the past couple of years? 

[Horseman 2,706]

32 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Another stat guy..... 

Are you a new Dallas observer, have you watched any of the games the past couple of years? 

If you know so much you would know that Zeke was playing injured most all of last year. These first two games show he’s finally healthy again. 

And yes, there is a reason they keep stats. I want the back with the better YPC. 4+ gets you to a run first offense and a recipe for success. 

Pollard is a good change of pace, but, he’s absolutely horrible in pass protection. You want to pick up the blitz on 3rd down - that’s Zeke, 100% not Pollard.  The smart thing to do is feed Zeke, a lot.  
 

 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Zeke looks washed.  Also pollard has a better pass block rating, and a better rb rating after all.

Horsesh1t doesn't know football.

[Cruzer 1,996]

48 minutes ago, Horseman said:

If you know so much you would know that Zeke was playing injured most all of last year. These first two games show he’s finally healthy again. 

And yes, there is a reason they keep stats. I want the back with the better YPC. 4+ gets you to a run first offense and a recipe for success. 

Pollard is a good change of pace, but, he’s absolutely horrible in pass protection. You want to pick up the blitz on 3rd down - that’s Zeke, 100% not Pollard.  The smart thing to do is feed Zeke, a lot.  
 

 

I knew all about Zeke’s injury - who didn’t in Cowboys land? I also have watched every game - anyone else who has knows Zeke doesn’t pass the eye test when it comes to Pollard…. Want to say Zeke is better blocker? Fine, so there is that. 

[Horseman 2,706]

22 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

I knew all about Zeke’s injury - who didn’t in Cowboys land? I also have watched every game - anyone else who has knows Zeke doesn’t pass the eye test when it comes to Pollard…. Want to say Zeke is better blocker? Fine, so there is that. 

Eye test vs actual production (you know, stats) without a torn PCL.   Ok.

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Bicker all you want Bichboys fans. It’s a committee and it’s not changing until there’s an injury.  

[Cruzer 1,996]

46 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Eye test vs actual production (you know, stats) without a torn PCL.   Ok.

And the 2020 season - let me guess, Zeke played with a tummy ache all year long.

[Horseman 2,706]

1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

And the 2020 season - let me guess, Zeke played with a tummy ache all year long.

You didnt even know about the injury.

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17 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You didnt even know about the injury.

Yea right.

Apparently I didn’t know about the year long tummy ache of 2020 either.

[Horseman 2,706]

11 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Yea right.

Apparently I didn’t know about the year long tummy ache of 2020 either.

Have you even watched the past two years?!

No mention of a season long torn PCL. 

[Cruzer 1,996]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Have you even watched the past two years?!

No mention of a season long torn PCL. 

Christ have you? I’ve watched the past 2 years and about the prior 40 years before that… I hope the crack was good.  lol

[Horseman 2,706]

5 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Christ have you? I’ve watched the past 2 years and about the prior 40 years before that… I hope the crack was good.  lol

2 years of ignoring injuries and stats. Just the good old jaded eye test. 

[Cruzer 1,996]

Just now, Horseman said:

2 years of ignoring injuries and stats. Just the good old jaded eye test. 

Please - he was hurt last year and what, the year before he had a tummy ache for real? 
 

Anyone with a brain and at least 1 eye can see Zeke is (possibly) the most overrated/over paid RB in the history of the league. Defenses prefer him on the field over Pollard. Dude has ZERO burst, zero speed, and zero home run threat. In age of where rbs are a dime a dozen, Zeke and his stupid ass contract are the grand poo bah of albatrosses… But let me guess, you were all on board with the extension? Lol, figures. 

[Horseman 2,706]

Just now, Cruzer said:

Please - he was hurt last year and what, the year before he had a tummy ache for real? 
 

Anyone with a brain and at least 1 eye can see Zeke is (possibly) the most overrated/over paid RB in the history of the league. Defenses prefer him on the field over Pollard. Dude has ZERO burst, zero speed, and zero home run threat. In age of where rbs are a dime a dozen, Zeke and his stupid ass contract are the grand poo bah of albatrosses… But let me guess, you were all on board with the extension? Lol, figures. 

And there it is, the source of your jaded eye test.  Nice of you to come clean. Next time start with production vs contract value. Not Zeke vs Pollard when its clear Zeke is the better RB. 

[Cruzer 1,996]

Just now, Horseman said:

And there it is, the source of your jaded eye test.  Nice of you to come clean. Next time start with production vs contract value. Not Zeke vs Pollard when its clear Zeke is the better RB. 

Na, but nice weak ass attempt. 
 

Jerry loves you and the rest of the sheep tho, there is that. 

[Horseman 2,706]

Just now, Cruzer said:

Na, but nice weak ass attempt. 
 

Jerry loves you and the rest of the sheep tho, there is that. 

C'mon man. You're on a FF website right now.  Zeke's ADP is around 30. Pollard is 80.   Name one fantasy pro that has it the other way around. 

I didnt think so.  

[Cruzer 1,996]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

C'mon man. You're on a FF website right now.  Zeke's ADP is around 30. Pollard is 80.   Name one fantasy pro that has it the other way around. 

I didnt think so.  

Stat guys, lol - whatever. 

[Horseman 2,706]

1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

Stat guys, lol - whatever. 

Eye test guy.   With a contract agenda. 

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2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

C'mon man. You're on a FF website right now.  Zeke's ADP is around 30. Pollard is 80.   Name one fantasy pro that has it the other way around. 

I didnt think so.  

This clown thinks a players FF adp determines how good of a real life rb they are

[Cruzer 1,996]

Just now, Horseman said:

Eye test guy.   With a contract agenda. 

Let me guess, you’re an analytics guy? So is McCarthy.    

[Horseman 2,706]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

This clown thinks a players FF adp determines how good of a real life rb they are

Two guys on the same team playing the same position. Absolutely.  

Go Chargers!  

[Horseman 2,706]

1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

Let me guess, you’re an analytics guy? So is McCarthy.    

The ability to look past the contracts when evaluating players.  You walked right into it. 

[Cruzer 1,996]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

The ability to look past the contracts when evaluating players.  You walked right into it. 

Contracts have zip to do with reality. 2016 is long gone, wake up. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Two guys on the same team playing the same position. Absolutely.  

Go Chargers!  

Retard

[Horseman 2,706]

Just now, Cruzer said:

Contracts have zip to do wi to reality. 2016 is long gone, wake up. 

21 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Anyone with a brain and at least 1 eye can see Zeke is (possibly) the most overrated/over paid RB in the history of the league. Defenses prefer him on the field over Pollard. Dude has ZERO burst, zero speed, and zero home run threat. In age of where rbs are a dime a dozen, Zeke and his stupid ass contract are the grand poo bah of albatrosses… But let me guess, you were all on board with the extension? Lol, figures. 

 

[Horseman 2,706]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

Retard

GutterVomitPedoLiar.  Loves him some Chargers!  

[Cruzer 1,996]

Just now, Horseman said:

 

Christ.

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Bills looked pretty good Monday Night. Just sayin. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

On 9/19/2022 at 10:46 PM, Horseman said:

And there it is, the source of your jaded eye test.  Nice of you to come clean. Next time start with production vs contract value. Not Zeke vs Pollard when its clear Zeke is the better RB. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]