Sanctuary cities complain about ‘onslaught’ of illegal migrants

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes our current administration literally counts people from Venezuela as refugees and asylum seekers, THEY ARE NOT

wanting a better life and escaping socialism does not count as refugee or asylum definition.  Also if we were counting it as Asylum the closest safe country is considered Mexico

haven't you heard the BJ Queen VP refer to "climate refugees" gimme a break

You’re going to bang your head against the wall arguing with this douche bag about this.  Improving your economic outcome is not a valid asylum claim. He doesn’t care. He thinks they are a net financial benefit and will use lefty sources. He will ignore other studies that prove they are a complete resource and benefits suck at the state and local level. 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What prevented them from stopping in any of those countries before reaching Vienna?

They were all Communist as well. And Jews weren’t welcome anywhere in Eastern Europe. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They were all Communist as well. And Jews weren’t welcome anywhere in Eastern Europe. 

They sure sound like legit refugees to me. Kinda different from modern day "refugees" though, dont you think?

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

You’re going to bang your head against the wall arguing with this douche bag about this.  Improving your economic outcome is not a valid asylum claim. He doesn’t care. He thinks they are a net financial benefit and will use lefty sources. He will ignore other studies that prove they are a complete resource and benefits suck at the state and local level. 

1. Why resort to name calling? 
2. I agree that simply improving economic outcome is not a valid asylum claim. I do care about that. 
3. You’re correct I think that illegal immigrants are a net financial benefit but that has nothing to do with legal asylum and refugee seekers. 
4. I use sources that are well respected. I try to ignore sources with a political agenda. Much of the conservative argument about the issue of illegal immigration inevitably comes from FAIR which I believe offers a distorted, false view. 
5. In terms of the flow of illegal immigration there is definitely a hardship at the state and local level, especially the border states. While I believe, with good reason, that the overall effect on this country is positive, the effect on these states and communities can often be negative. There is no denying that fact and it would be absurd for me to do so. 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

They sure sound like legit refugees to me. Kinda different from modern day "refugees" though, dont you think?

I don’t. My point is I think modern day refugees are every bit as legitimate as those from my grandparents day. 
 

I will add that in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, there were many Americans who made the same argument that you are making now: that the refugees weren’t legit, that we couldn’t afford to take them in, that they were a burden on our society. This was well documented in the recent Ken Burns documentary which I highly recommend. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Why resort to name calling? 
2. I agree that simply improving economic outcome is not a valid asylum claim. I do care about that. 
3. You’re correct I think that illegal immigrants are a net financial benefit but that has nothing to do with legal asylum and refugee seekers. 
4. I use sources that are well respected. I try to ignore sources with a political agenda. Much of the conservative argument about the issue of illegal immigration inevitably comes from FAIR which I believe offers a distorted, false view. 
5. In terms of the flow of illegal immigration there is definitely a hardship at the state and local level, especially the border states. While I believe, with good reason, that the overall effect on this country is positive, the effect on these states and communities can often be negative. There is no denying that fact and it would be absurd for me to do so. 

You think MSNBC, CNN and the NYT are credible. You’re a typical upper income hypocritical leftist with no real world expertise in any of the subjects you debate, using talking points from sources like the ones listed above. You deserve nothing but ridicule. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

My father sponsored, through his church and personally, a family of refugees from Operation Danube.  The father was a physician, the mother a professor, and they had three children.  The daughter turned into an extraordinary beauty, the son died of a heart defect. He helped them buy a house and helped the physician until he could become licensed in this country.  We use to go over once a month, on sundays to help them rehab their house.  The mother always put together a nice dinner when we were done working.  I remember the tales of them crawling under barbed wire, at night, in the rain, hunted by men and dogs to get out of Czeckoslovakia.

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You think MSNBC, CNN and the NYT are credible. You’re a typical upper income hypocritical leftist with no real world expertise in any of the subjects you debate, using talking points from sources like the ones listed above. You deserve nothing but ridicule. 

1. I do think they’re credible in terms of news reporting, not necessarily opinion.

2. I make pretty good money I guess. I don’t really regard myself as typical anything. I’m certainly not a leftist- I strongly reject most leftist ideas. As for hypocrisy, I’m probably guilty at times. 

3. Since I have both hired and worked alongside undocumented immigrants I’d like to think I have some real world expertise- to a point. I can only empathize with their problems and with the problems of refugees. But If your point is that I have never personally endured any of the suffering or hardship that they have, you’re quite correct. 
 

4. You don’t have to worry about ridicule my friend. Since I’ve started posting here I’ve received quite a bit of it. So much so that I’m starting to regard it as a badge of honor. 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

My father sponsored, through his church and personally, a family of refugees from Operation Danube.  The father was a physician, the mother a professor, and they had three children.  The daughter turned into an extraordinary beauty, the son died of a heart defect. He helped them buy a house and helped the physician until he could become licensed in this country.  We use to go over once a month, on sundays to help them rehab their house.  The mother always put together a nice dinner when we were done working.  I remember the tales of them crawling under barbed wire, at night, in the rain, hunted by men and dogs to get out of Czeckoslovakia.

Your father sounds like a wonderful man. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your father sounds like a wonderful man. 

In many ways he was quite admirable.  Certainly a better man than I.

[Fireballer 2,642]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t. My point is I think modern day refugees are every bit as legitimate as those from my grandparents day. 
 

I will add that in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, there were many Americans who made the same argument that you are making now: that the refugees weren’t legit, that we couldn’t afford to take them in, that they were a burden on our society. This was well documented in the recent Ken Burns documentary which I highly recommend. 

What similiar circumstances are modern refugees escaping from that is similiar to your grandparents?  What is keeping modern refugees from Central America from stopping in Mexico?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

Tim is comparing jews fleeing Nazi Germany to someone coming here for a better paying job.  Stop it. It’s disrespectful to the plight of Jewish people. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I absolutely believe that there are climate refugees (there’s going to be a whole lot more) and that Venezuelans should be allows to claim asylum. Venezuela is a communist dictatorship not much different from the ones in Eastern Europe that my grandparents and millions of others escaped from. 

I know less about the specifics of Honduras, though I suspect I would be sympathetic to those from there who seek refugee or asylum status. I begin with the assumption that all of these people are in desperate straits and are coming here seeking freedom. My sympathies are almost always with them. 

they are a socialist heaven, people like Bernie have praised them

also there is no such thing as climate refugees, we have never accepted people from Africa cause of the climate, which is far worse than Venezuela

 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim is comparing jews fleeing Nazi Germany to someone coming here for a better paying job.  

No I’m not. If someone is coming here for a better paying job, that person is NOT a refugee. Now I am sympathetic to that person and if I was in charge I would welcome that person most times, but such a person should not be afforded refugee status. 

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39 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You’re going to bang your head against the wall arguing with this douche bag about this.  Improving your economic outcome is not a valid asylum claim. He doesn’t care. He thinks they are a net financial benefit and will use lefty sources. He will ignore other studies that prove they are a complete resource and benefits suck at the state and local level. 

yep, but sing from the rafters that they are an economic benefit.  Maybe, just maybe in 30 years.     this is all for votes.  To think otherwise is ignoring reality.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No I’m not. If someone is coming here for a better paying job, that person is NOT a refugee. Now I am sympathetic to that person and if I was in charge I would welcome that person most times, but such a person should not be afforded refugee status. 

Hey Tim, the shelters in NYC are full due to the influx of illegals. Any suggestions? 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

they are a socialist heaven, people like Bernie have praised them

also there is no such thing as climate refugees, we have never accepted people from Africa cause of the climate, which is far worse than Venezuela

 

1. Any regime that Bernie praises is one I’m likely to be terrified of. 
2. We should accept climate refugees from all across the globe. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

1. Any regime that Bernie praises is one I’m likely to be terrified of. 
2. We should accept climate refugees from all across the globe. 

How many?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Any regime that Bernie praises is one I’m likely to be terrified of. 
2. We should accept climate refugees from all across the globe. 

how many?  And what defines it.  OMG its hot OMG its cold we are americans now

this is dumb

you support left leaning ideology that leads to Venezuela, they were the richest country per capita 25 years ago, and then the socialism started showing up

the goal of socialism is communism.  Which is why I always vote red despite hating republicans, they dont have members actively trying to push socialist agenda

 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

yep, but sing from the rafters that they are an economic benefit.  Maybe, just maybe in 30 years.     this is all for votes.  To think otherwise is ignoring reality.

Since I don’t want anyone who came here undocumented to vote, EVER, your comments are incorrect at least with regard to me. 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How many?

As many as we can take in. We’re not close to being full. Never have been. 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how many?  And what defines it.  OMG its hot OMG its cold we are americans now

this is dumb

 

No. There would have to be a reasonable definition. I don’t know what it is. Some kind of extreme conditions that make life no longer habitable. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Since I don’t want anyone who came here undocumented to vote, EVER, your comments are incorrect at least with regard to me. 

do you understand how illegals effect not only the president but the house?

you don't need them to be able to vote, just count in the census

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

As many as we can take in. We’re not close to being full. Never have been. 

And the rest? The billions? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No. There would have to be a reasonable definition. I don’t know what it is. Some kind of extreme conditions that make life no longer habitable. 

so most of Africa our entire life

Greenland is pretty uninhabitable

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Since I don’t want anyone who came here undocumented to vote, EVER, your comments are incorrect at least with regard to me. 

It's proven that this country can't even take care of it's own citizens. Go visit San Francisco or Chicago or St. Louis or New York City  if you think otherwise. And yet open borders....

It would be like someone having a family that they can't feed or put through decent education or even be there to take care of them, yet, they adopt 6 more kids to put in that situation.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hey Tim, the shelters in NYC are full due to the influx of illegals. Any suggestions? 

Sure but I’m guessing you wouldn’t like them. We should all bear the burden, not just certain states and cities. We all benefit, greatly, from these people being here, so we should all help pay for it. 
 

Homelessness is a separate calamity that needs to be addressed, again on a federal basis. I’m not convinced that it’s connected to illegal immigration. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Sure but I’m guessing you wouldn’t like them. We should all bear the burden, not just certain states and cities. We all benefit, greatly, from these people being here, so we should all help pay for it. 
 

Homelessness is a separate calamity that needs to be addressed, again on a federal basis. I’m not convinced that it’s connected to illegal immigration. 

Real quick, how do we benefit again? 

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And the rest? The billions? 

I believe that nuclear fusion, when developed, is going to solve most of the worlds problems. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

Colorado sent illegals to NY. Not inhumane. Florida sent illegals to Martha’s Vineyard and DC, Inhumane.  

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Real quick, how do we benefit again? 

It’s not a real quick question. This wiki article has links to sources who both agree and disagree with me on this subject. It’s a very complicated issue: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

[The Real timschochet 6,807]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Colorado sent illegals to NY. Not inhumane. Florida sent illegals to Martha’s Vineyard and DC, Inhumane.  

I find all 3 inhumane. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe that nuclear fusion, when developed, is going to solve most of the worlds problems. 

Sorry you feel guilty about your cushy life provided for you. That’s why guilt trips work on you , you feel guilty. They don’t work on the rest of us. You have shown you aren’t serious, just in search of a self awarded Pat on the back. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not a real quick question. This wiki article has links to sources who both agree and disagree with me on this subject. It’s a very complicated issue: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

Well, your previous claim is they make things less expensive for the rest of us, correct? Also Wikipedia.  Lol. 

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25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Since I don’t want anyone who came here undocumented to vote, EVER, your comments are incorrect at least with regard to me. 

if that is your stance then it is incorrect regarding you.   It is CORRECT regarding 96 % of the Dems in power that this is entirely for VOTES.

for the "good of the country" has been lost for decades with both sides.  it is no longer applicable.

[shadrap 228]

30 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how many?  And what defines it.  OMG its hot OMG its cold we are americans now

this is dumb

you support left leaning ideology that leads to Venezuela, they were the richest country per capita 25 years ago, and then the socialism started showing up

the goal of socialism is communism.  Which is why I always vote red despite hating republicans, they dont have members actively trying to push socialist agenda

 

of course it's dumb.  I'm thinking Timmy should house an illegal family in his house for 10 years & report back.  

yea right.

Libs.........................................

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I find all 3 inhumane. 

I’d love to get a free trip to Martha’s Vineyard.  Where do I sign? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,117]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how many?  And what defines it.  OMG its hot OMG its cold we are americans now

this is dumb

you support left leaning ideology that leads to Venezuela, they were the richest country per capita 25 years ago, and then the socialism started showing up

the goal of socialism is communism.  Which is why I always vote red despite hating republicans, they dont have members actively trying to push socialist agenda

 

Yep.  Marxism and Communism literally fall under the umbrella of Socialism.  There is a reason for that - in order to enforce Socialism you have to have brutal, authoritarian regimes.  Socialism is literally the antithesis of freedom.

[edjr 6,602]

Pretty sure Boston is a sanctuary city. I'm not sure this is the case.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Qarth did not become the greatest city that ever was or will be by allowing dothraki hoards through its gates.