California Cops are now in the spotlight

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

Hunginton Park, California cops were called to a scene where a man stabbed another guy with a 12 inch knife. The cops tried to taze the subject "to no avail" and the suspect dismounted his wheelchair and ran the opposite way from the cops on his stumps where both his legs used to be. He was shot in the back 8 times. The link below has the video on it.

Again- this isn't a race issue per se....this is a power and training issue.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/activists-demand-justice-for-shooting-death-of-15-year-old-boy-by-huntington-park-police/

[Mike Hunt 318]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Hunginton Beach, California cops were called to a scene where a man stabbed another guy with a 12 inch knife. The cops tried to taze the subject "to no avail" and the suspect dismounted his wheelchair and ran the opposite way from the cops on his stumps where both his legs used to be. He was shot in the back 8 times. The link below has the video on it.

Again- this isn't a race issue per se....this is a power and training issue.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/activists-demand-justice-for-shooting-death-of-15-year-old-boy-by-huntington-park-police/

 

The thread on is on page 4 as it happened Tuesday.  Nobody cares.

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

The thread on is on page 4 as it happened Tuesday.  Nobody cares.

I do.....

 

justice for- let's say Stumpy

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

Good shoot. POS had just finished nearly stabbing someone to death unprovoked.  Good riddance.  

[Reality 3,139]

Again? 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

We should all be terrified of anyone who will take 2 hours to navigate steps.....why stop at 8 shots....why not 12?

[Cloaca du jour 2,160]

I heard he was a fortune teller that stabbed one of his clients.

Apb said keep on the lookout for a small medium at large.

[Bert 1,129]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

We should all be terrified of anyone who will take 2 hours to navigate steps.....why stop at 8 shots....why not 12?

He tried to murder someone and ended up dead.  Sounds like a win for society.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

21 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Hunginton Beach, California cops were called to a scene where a man stabbed another guy with a 12 inch knife. The cops tried to taze the subject "to no avail" and the suspect dismounted his wheelchair and ran the opposite way from the cops on his stumps where both his legs used to be. He was shot in the back 8 times. The link below has the video on it.

Again- this isn't a race issue per se....this is a power and training issue.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/activists-demand-justice-for-shooting-death-of-15-year-old-boy-by-huntington-park-police/

Huntington Park and Huntington Beach are two very different communities. 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

Seems like the police could have waited for the man to tire out and calm down on his own.  He was not going anyplace and really presented very little danger to the police or the public once the police arrived and could keep the public back a few steps.  I'm stumped why this could not have been handled without resort to deadly force.

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

3 minutes ago, Bert said:

He tried to murder someone and ended up dead.  Sounds like a win for society.

The point is not to litigate his relative worth to society...the point is to discuss how is it that a double amputee below the knee gets shot in the back 8 times while running away from the cops. Did they think they weren't going to be able to catch them?

And again- that speaks to the police issue in the country. 

 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Huntington Park and Huntington Beach are two very different communities. 

I corrected my mistake

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

A rookie animal control officer with a catch pole could have controlled this guy.  That being so I am going to opine that deadly force was excessive.

[Bert 1,129]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

The point is not to litigate his relative worth to society...the point is to discuss how is it that a double amputee below the knee gets shot in the back 8 times while running away from the cops. Did they think they weren't going to be able to catch them?

And again- that speaks to the police issue in the country. 

 

No it really speaks to systemic violent behavior.

[Bert 1,129]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

A rookie animal control officer with a catch pole could have controlled this guy.  That being so I am going to opine that deadly force was excessive.

It was excessive but in the end it removed a violent criminal from society.

[Bert 1,129]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The point is not to litigate his relative worth to society...the point is to discuss how is it that a double amputee below the knee gets shot in the back 8 times while running away from the cops. Did they think they weren't going to be able to catch them?

And again- that speaks to the police issue in the country. 

 

Let's ask the person that was stabbed by this "good person, that no one should be terrified of" their opinion.  

[Strike 6,036]

Hey, at least this guy did something productive with his life:

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Attorneys representing the family of Anthony Lowe, a disabled man shot and killed by Huntington Park Police officers last week, have filed the paperwork that they say will lead to a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the city.

His family will appreciate the wealth he is likely to have bestowed upon them.

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

It was excessive but in the end it removed a violent criminal from society.

I am for the removal of violent criminals from society, but I like that removal to occur after due process confirms those facts.  Also, removal by death is something I would reserve for the choice few, again after due process.

[Strike 6,036]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am for the removal of violent criminals from society, but I like that removal to occur after due process confirms those facts.  Also, removal by death is something I would reserve for the choice few, again after due process.

The police didn't create the dangerous situation that resulted in this guy's death.  He did.

[Bert 1,129]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am for the removal of violent criminals from society, but I like that removal to occur after due process confirms those facts.  Also, removal by death is something I would reserve for the choice few, again after due process.

How about If you want to decrease your chances of being dead don't stab people in the street. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

It’s not great, but it’s not as bad as the Ashley Babbit one at the Capitol. What did liberals have to say about that one? Play stupid games or something? 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

The police didn't create the dangerous situation that resulted in this guy's death.  He did.

I understand and appreciate that.  I just believe armed agents of society's laws ought to be able to problem solve a sitiation like this without resort to deadly force.

 

The guy could have been subdued wth a strong flow of water from a garden hose and a push broom.  Shooting was excessive.  The only danger Stumpy presented once the police arrived was a distraction to traffic because there is not something you see every day.

[Bert 1,129]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

The police didn't create the dangerous situation that resulted in this guy's death.  He did.

They never never ever take responsibility or acknowledge their extremely violent behavior created the entire situation.   Until we address this as a society systemic violent behavior will continue.

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

Why are people running from cops? 

It seems like one of the common things between these shootings is that someone calls cops, cops show up, dude in question starts running. Whether that dude is in a car and starts running away, gets tased and tries to run, is holding a knife that he just stabbed someone with and tries to run...I mean....WHY are these guys running from cops? 

I guess I've always been taught that you just be civil, answer what they are asking, know your rights (they can't search your car or that kind of ). If you get hauled down to the station, first thing you say is "lawyer." 

I don't get why they all just think running is going to have anything good come out of it. 

[Strike 6,036]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I understand and appreciate that.  I just believe armed agents of society's laws ought to be able to problem solve a sitiation like this without resort to deadly force.

Here's the thing.  EVERY encounter a cop has with the public is a potential death sentence.  FOR THE COP.  You or I have an encounter with the police a handful of times in our lives, if that.  Cops have encounters with potentially dangerous people on a daily basis.  It's like playing the lottery for them on if/when someone is going to try to take them out.  The policies and processes cops follow have been developed over a long period of time to minimize their risk when playing that deadly lottery every day.  I'd like cops to do as much as possible to avoid having to take people like this out, but I'm not going to second guess them unless it's obvious.  They have to make judgment calls in a split second. 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

2 minutes ago, Bert said:

They never never ever take responsibility or acknowledge their extremely violent behavior created the entire situation.   Until we address this as a society systemic violent behavior will continue.

Cops just showing up or pulling a dude over is "extremely violent" behavior? When the suspect/whatever tries to focking RUN and is holding a knife? 

I don't think that the cops are telling these guys to run. 

[Bert 1,129]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Cops just showing up or pulling a dude over is "extremely violent" behavior? When the suspect/whatever tries to focking RUN and is holding a knife? 

I don't think that the cops are telling these guys to run. 

Dude stabbed someone multiple times with a large knife, that is extremely violent behavior.  I guess not in California.  

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Here's the thing.  EVERY encounter a cop has with the public is a potential death sentence.  FOR THE COP.  You or I have an encounter with the police a handful of times in our lives, if that.  Cops have encounters with potentially dangerous people on a daily basis.  It's like playing the lottery for them on if/when someone is going to try to take them out.  The policies and processes cops follow have been developed over a long period of time to minimize their risk when playing that deadly lottery every day.  I'd like cops to do as much as possible to avoid having to take people like this out, but I'm not going to second guess them unless it's obvious.  They have to make judgment calls in a split second. 

I’m going to surprise myself and probably you as well: I think you make an excellent argument here. I think what you wrote is absolutely true. 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

Just now, Strike said:

Here's the thing.  EVERY encounter a cop has with the public is a potential death sentence.  FOR THE COP.  You or I have an encounter with the police a handful of times in our lives, if that.  Cops have encounters with potentially dangerous people on a daily basis.  It's like playing the lottery for them on if/when someone is going to try to take them out.  The policies and processes cops follow have been developed over a long period of time to minimize their risk when playing that deadly lottery every day.  I'd like cops to do as much as possible to avoid having to take people like this out, but I'm not going to second guess them unless it's obvious.  They have to make judgment calls in a split second. 

Exactly 

Potentially dangerous, but they also see the worst of the worst out there. 

I don't know that I could have a job where every time I went to work I didn't know if I'd be home - that's what I think cops lives are like. If you're a criminal and you're running from cops, then maybe you have the same fear. I don't know. 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Here's the thing.  EVERY encounter a cop has with the public is a potential death sentence.  FOR THE COP.  You or I have an encounter with the police a handful of times in our lives, if that.  Cops have encounters with potentially dangerous people on a daily basis.  It's like playing the lottery for them on if/when someone is going to try to take them out.  The policies and processes cops follow have been developed over a long period of time to minimize their risk when playing that deadly lottery every day.  I'd like cops to do as much as possible to avoid having to take people like this out, but I'm not going to second guess them unless it's obvious.  They have to make judgment calls in a split second. 

Actually I interact with officers on a daily basis.  Also, I think this situation was obvious.  Stumpy was not getting away, nor was he reasonably likely to present a firther danger to the police or the public.  The only caveat I have to that statemrnt would be if he were percieved to be winding up to throw the knife.

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

4 minutes ago, Bert said:

Dude stabbed someone multiple times with a large knife, that is extremely violent behavior.  I guess not in California.  

I think you're misreading my post. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

I’m usually sympathetic to the person killed in these situations when there is no apparent violent act that led up to it: George Floyd, the Memphis killing, Trayvon Martin (I believe), etc. But in this instance there was a vicious stabbing- that much we know. In such cases I’m far less likely to question the police. 

[Bert 1,129]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I think you're misreading my post. 

The cops only had interaction with this guy because he committed a violent act.  This wasn't a Memphis situation.  Unfortunately, the former happens waaay more than the later it simply doesn't get covered by the media.    

[Mike Hunt 318]

53 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

We should all be terrified of anyone who will take 2 hours to navigate steps.....why stop at 8 shots....why not 12?

 

Did you see the vid?  Stump could really scoot.

[Fireballer 2,693]

Tennessee vs Garner and Pennsylvania vs Mimms are two of the most misunderstood case laws.  We need to do a better job of learning people about what cops are actually allowed to do.  Yes, in certain circumstances, cops can shoot you in the back while you attempt to escape.  Also, cops can remove you from a vehicle and pat you for weapons with ZERO probable cause of a crime.

[posty 2,855]

The deceased is really having a rough week...

RIP

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

41 minutes ago, Bert said:

No it really speaks to systemic violent behavior.

Either way it speaks to something larger than a "race" issue. It speaks to a culture that implicitly encourages violence because it leads to clicks and views and it speaks to a culture that half the people look the other way on places where maybe cops go a little too far. 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

40 minutes ago, Bert said:

Let's ask the person that was stabbed by this "good person, that no one should be terrified of" their opinion.  

Do you know what they were arguing about? i haven't seen anything yet (but may have missed it so far). 

[Strike 6,036]

18 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Actually I interact with officers on a daily basis.  Also, I think this situation was obvious.  Stumpy was not getting away, nor was he reasonably likely to present a firther danger to the police or the public.  The only caveat I have to that statemrnt would be if he were percieved to be winding up to throw the knife.

Very rarely is a violent situation "obvious." 

But yeah, if I'm a cop in a very public location with people watching/filming me, I'm gonna just decide to randomly shoot some gimp and risk prosecution or my career when there is no threat. 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m usually sympathetic to the person killed in these situations when there is no apparent violent act that led up to it: George Floyd, the Memphis killing, Trayvon Martin (I believe), etc. But in this instance there was a vicious stabbing- that much we know. In such cases I’m far less likely to question the police. 

Again- the point is not to litigate the value of the person. Yes he stabbed a dude. No need for that in a civilized society. However, that does not necessitate shooting a dude 8 times in the back while he is weeble-wobbling the other way. Hell you've could've just tipped him over.