Just so we are being honest....

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

There are dozens of videos of kids who have gone through the process who describe this exact same scenario.  So here is more than a shred of proof to show you just how ignorant you truly are.

 

You have still shown me really nothing except an unverified personal anecdote. How old was she? And is there any proof for this besides just her word for it that it happened?

Show me something that actually has been documented to prove your claim this is happening "to dozens of kids" not just some first person YouTube monologue. 

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I do have to say that it's odd so many people seem to want to believe the horror stories about the process from the same people they say are mentally ill and can't be believed they want to be a different gender in the first place.  

I am sure there are many that regret the process.   I am sure there are clinics popping up that we all seem to agree are at the very least cutting corners or overdiagnosing people as trans.   But that seems to be a small % (hence my question about the % who regret it), so IMO we need to focus on doing our best to make that number 0, not throwing out all the care.  

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14 minutes ago, Fnord said:

No wonder you're a miserable human. If you truly believe this sh1t is rampant, you need some conversion therapy yourself. I don't spend any time watching videos about people that regret gender transition and I'm not going to. I will say that nothing you posted above would happen if one of my kids was facing this. What other people do, and subsequently regret, is their problem. Keep pounding your chest and Bible, good luck.

Lol...believe it?  It is absolutely what is happening.  You are so naive.  What do you think gender affirming care is?  There is no diagnosis involved.  In fact, if a patient says he feels like he is a girl, the doctor has no choice but to affirm those feelings.  You will lose your license for even questioning their self-diagnosis.  They are fast-tracked into whatever care they want, all paid for by US taxpayers in many states.   In certain states you would not have any choice.  They would take your kids away from you if you even tried to stop them.  Your only option is to get the hell out of the state.  

 

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19 minutes ago, Fnord said:

What about it?

Is that ok if the parents agree? 

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HERE is a 4 part article that I found interesting.    

The very first example is vastly different than what jon describes - the kid had been struggling for years, the doctors told them about the side effects, etc..     I am sure there are examples of both types of experiences and we could go back and forth with examples.   IMO that's why we should look at the bigger picture and stats.  

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2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I do have to say that it's odd so many people seem to want to believe the horror stories about the process from the same people they say are mentally ill and can't be believed they want to be a different gender in the first place.  

I am sure there are many that regret the process.   I am sure there are clinics popping up that we all seem to agree are at the very least cutting corners or overdiagnosing people as trans.   But that seems to be a small % (hence my question about the % who regret it), so IMO we need to focus on doing our best to make that number 0, not throwing out all the care.  

Nobody diagnosis anything.  There is one and only one criteria....

....if the child says he is transgendered, then they are.

It does not matter if they are abused.  It does not matter if they are autistic.   It does not matter if they suffer depression.  They whole process is absurd.  But leave it to fuctard liberals to pretend it ain't so.  

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Nobody diagnosis anything.  There is one and only one criteria....

....if the child says he is transgendered, then they are.

It does not matter if they are abused.  It does not matter if they are autistic.   It does not matter if they suffer depression.  They whole process is absurd.  But leave it to fuctard liberals to pretend it ain't so.  

I have agreed with you repeatedly that this is an issue.  First step should be psych evals and counseling, and it should be independent of those clinics.  

I just also think you always take it too far with your examples and scenarios.   Your points are compelling enough - no need for the hyperbole.  

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The UK closed it’s only gender identity clinic for youths, Tavistock. Amongst issues it was found that  causes for a child’s depression was being “diagnosed” as a gender issue when often times it was autism and other non gender related issues. 

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7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

HERE is a 4 part article that I found interesting.    

The very first example is vastly different than what jon describes - the kid had been struggling for years, the doctors told them about the side effects, etc..     I am sure there are examples of both types of experiences and we could go back and forth with examples.   IMO that's why we should look at the bigger picture and stats.  

Sure, there were always that 0.03 percent of the population, mostly males, who were legitimately diagnosed with gender dysphoria.  And I have no issue with those who clearly have an issue.  But now it is 100 times that and we are treating 3 percent like they are all the 0.03 percent.   We know that over 90 percent of those will grow out of it and many will just realize they are gay and live a happy normal life.  Instead we are rushing the vast majority into treatments which will destroy their sexual organs before they even began adulthood and understand their sexuality. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The UK closed it’s only gender identity clinic for youths, Tavistock. Amongst issues it was found that  causes for a child’s depression was being “diagnosed” as a gender issue when often times it was autism and other non gender related issues. 

Awesome.     But for me, the solution is to make sure the kids are properly diagnosed then get proper treatment and not close down clinics so nobody can get that proper treatment.  

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3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Sure, there were always that 0.03 percent of the population, mostly males, who were legitimately diagnosed with gender dysphoria.  And I have no issue with those who clearly have an issue.  But now it is 100 times that and we are treating 3 percent like they are all the 0.03 percent.   We know that over 90 percent of those will grow out of it and many will just realize they are gay and live a happy normal life.  Instead we are rushing the vast majority into treatments which will destroy their sexual organs before they even began adulthood and understand their sexuality. 

See my previous post - IMO we should focus on making sure the diagnosis is correct, not banning gender care.  

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10 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

See my previous post - IMO we should focus on making sure the diagnosis is correct, not banning gender care.  

If this were being done by family doctors or doctors who had specialized psychological degrees, it would be OK.  But the vast majority of gender affirming care has been taking over by the abortion mills who push abortions on to patients, and now they have expanding into becoming gender affirming care mills living on the gravey train of mutilating children.   It is has become a multi-billion dollar growth industry.  They have no interest in slowing down and they will just find ways to fast-track or make the diagnosis process a total fraud.  One of the first things that needs to happen is open these doctors up to lawsuits for mal-practice and negligence.  Current laws protect these doctors from being sued.  

  

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6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

If this were being done by family doctors or doctors who had specialized psychological degrees, it would be OK.  But the vast majority of gender affirming care has been taking over by the abortion mills who push abortions on to patients, and now they have expanding into becoming gender affirming care mills living on the gravey train of mutilating children.   It is has become a multi-billion dollar growth industry.  They have no interest in slowing down and they will just find ways to fast-track or make the diagnosis process a total fraud.  One of the first things that needs to happen is open these doctors up to lawsuits for mal-practice and negligence.  Current laws protect these doctors from being sued.  

  

Link?

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26 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

See my previous post - IMO we should focus on making sure the diagnosis is correct, not banning gender care.  

There are no trans children.  There are only children they’ve lied to and confused enough into believing they're trans.

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So I assume many of you are ok with schools not informing parents that their children are getting counseling at school about gender issues and transition? 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So I assume many of you are ok with schools not informing parents that their children are getting counseling at school about gender issues and transition? 

They are not only ok with it, they endorse it. To the leftist, our children belong to the state. 

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19 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Is that ok if the parents agree? 

I don't think it is. But AFAIK, it's not illegal, and if that is the choice of the parents faced with such a decision,  then they should do what they think is best.

See? This isn't that hard. Other kids' parents are going to do things that you and I think are moronic and awful. Assuming it isn't an illegal activity, we can have opinions but ultimately it's none of our business. Especially when the damage created by the fallout dwarfs the actual problem (like all this anti-transgender legislation).

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I don't think it is. But AFAIK, it's not illegal, and if that is the choice of the parents faced with such a decision,  then they should do what they think is best.

See? This isn't that hard. Other kids' parents are going to do things that you and I think are moronic and awful. Assuming it isn't an illegal activity, we can have opinions but ultimately it's none of our business. Especially when the damage created by the fallout dwarfs the actual problem (like all this anti-transgender legislation).

But it is illegal in many places.  

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On 2/22/2023 at 6:06 PM, BuckSwope said:

What is the % that regret the transition?  

If they are truly sane? 100%

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On 2/21/2023 at 8:01 PM, jonmx said:

Lol...you are a pathetic moron.   I am the most anti-establishment non-ideological independent poster on this forum.  You are too stupid to realize what an elitist authoritarian system that you are supporting.  So f-off with your ignorant insults.  

Was there a contest or something to verify this claim and you won?

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3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Was there a contest or something to verify this claim and you won?

Just pointing out the obvious.   People who parrot the MSM and believe the media are an independent free press are delusional fools and have no clue just how intertwined the big media and now big tech has become with government and the information they are being fed.  Unfortunately we have made some big mistakes in the expansive growth and powers of our government and have created a giant monster which now towers above the people.  We are being monitored and our access to information is controlled and manipulated in ways which are not obvious.  Our government has become rogue, especially agencies like the FBI and CIA.  There is zero oversight and they easily hide their evil deeds from Congress under the guise of national security.  

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3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Was there a contest or something to verify this claim and you won?

Jon's claims are never verified by anyone other than Jon. Which is why, like him, they are ignorant, lacking in originality, nuance, and specificity, and can generally be ignored. 

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5 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

If they are truly sane? 100%

The trick is to only ask them 6 months or a year after surgery.  At that point it is still low and the groomers scream success.  But it grows every year.   As they discover their life is nothing but one medical procedure after another and they are constantly adjusting their drugs to fight complications.  Their life revolves around trying tod maintain this big charade.  Eventually most will regret their inability to enjoy sex and orgasm and then totally get depressed when they desire children.  Asking a 17 year old if they regret something they did last year proves nothing.  It is the long term results which get worse and worse every year down the road. 

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31 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Jon's claims are never verified by anyone other than Jon. Which is why, like him, they are ignorant, lacking in originality, nuance, and specificity, and can generally be ignored. 

Lol...unverified.  let's look at something like the government's assassination of JFK.  The people with motives:

1. LBJ was one week away from being indicted and removed from the ticket. - verified fact

2.  Vietnam we were one week away from JFK pulling out all troops present. - verified fact.

3.  JFK was in the process of breaking the CIA up into a thousand pieces - verified fact

4.  JFK was in the process of elimination of the depletion allowance for oil reserves which benefited big oil companies millions and millions of dollar. -verified fact.

5.  RFK was cracking down on organized crime making them enemies of the mob - verified fact.  

The establishment power was being assaulted by the kennedy's from every direction. They had motatives, not Oswald, whom if you really brought into his Commie motatives would have been a supporter of Kennedy who was seen as opposing the hawkish efforts.  That is just motive, which clearly shows an big alliance of very motivated individuals and organizations who would conspire to kill JFK.  LBJ was known to have henchmen who would off people....again verified fact.

Then you get into the shooting itself.  Dozens of people saw multiple people on the Sixth Floor.  Verified fact.  50 plus people heard/saw shots from the grassy knoll - verified fact.  People saw and photographed damage to the limo which showed more bullets fired then what was accounted for with the lone shooter - verified fast.  The Zapruder film had obvious alterations and missing frames - verified fact.  The autopsy had a fake brain and altered photos - verified fact. 43 doctors at Parkland describe a large hole of an exit wound in the back of JFK head - verified fact.  

There are a mountain of verified facts which prove the official narrative on most stories we are being fed are total sh1t.  Sure the official set of 'facts' show otherwise, but if you choose to use your brain and question their obvious lies, you are branded as a radical.   You can be a butt-boy for the establishment if you like and go along with their moronic concepts of:

- a women is whatever one thinks

- children should be mutilated for no legitimate reason.

- violent protests by the left which causes billions and billions in damages are mostly peaceful.

- comparatively peaceful protests by the right is the biggest threat to Democracy ever.  

- Big tech and government collusion to target the free speech of individuals is a nothing burger.  

It is all a boatload of crap and none of those bs assertions are verified by anything except absolute nitwits spewing idiocy.  

 

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JFK had more powerful enemies than Trump. 

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