Just so we are being honest....

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

50 minutes ago, jonmx said:

In fairness, most Liberals/Democratic voters are ignorant to reality and believe we have an honest media.   The reality is the major media outlets are controlled by our intelligence agencies and the masses are being brainwashed to see a false reality.   Our elected government has limited power as the brainwashed "moderates" unwilling advance the agenda of the elitist establishment, while the people on the fringes who partially see the corruption but are divided by irrelevant issues and occasionally feed a bone so that they believe the system works.   The system is broken, and we are being played.  

Why is Fox News the most watched news channel if liberals are the ones who believe the media the most?  Seems like that contradicts your statement, unless conservatives like to watch sources regardless if they think it's honest or not, which makes them sound even less intelligent.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why is Fox News the most watched news channel if liberals are the ones who believe the media the most?  Seems like that contradicts your statement, unless conservatives like to watch sources regardless if they think it's honest or not, which makes them sound even less intelligent.

I think it is watched by those who want to keep an eye on the opposition.  They boost the ratings.

[MDC 7,118]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why is Fox News the most watched news channel if liberals are the ones who believe the media the most? 

Because Fox is standing up to the establishment! Just ask Tucker. Lol

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why is Fox News the most watched news channel if liberals are the ones who believe the media the most?  Seems like that contradicts your statement, unless conservatives like to watch sources regardless if they think it's honest or not, which makes them sound even less intelligent.

Fox News averages 2.5 million daily viewers. Sometimes Tucker does close to 4 million. NYT by comparison has over 9 million subscribers and The View has about 2.5 million daily viewers. That’s just 2 left wing media sources. Left wing media dwarfs right wing media. The numbers are not comparable. 
 

edit - Fox averages 1.4 million viewers. The 2.5 million number is for prime time slots. 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

Fox News averages 2.5 million daily viewers. Sometimes Tucker does close to 4 million. NYT by comparison has over 9 million subscribers and The View has about 2.5 million daily viewers. That’s just 2 left wing media sources. Left wing media dwarfs right wing media. The numbers are not comparable. 

The view is not news media and the NYT is not a media stations.  If you're going to clump all those other things in then you need to add the conservative ones too.  It's not a reasonable comparison otherwise.

[posty 2,609]

So if we are being honest, I would like to say that I think Tim is very questionable and has a lot of personal issues and beliefs...

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The view is not news media and the NYT is not a media stations.  If you're going to clump all those other things in then you need to add the conservative ones too.  It's not a reasonable comparison otherwise.

The View doesn’t discuss political issues every day? Those were only 2 examples. What Conservative media would you compare to the NYT maybe the WSJ which is a stretch and only has a third of the NYT subscriber base which is similar to the WaPo?

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

22 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Fox News averages 2.5 million daily viewers. Sometimes Tucker does close to 4 million. NYT by comparison has over 9 million subscribers and The View has about 2.5 million daily viewers. That’s just 2 left wing media sources. Left wing media dwarfs right wing media. The numbers are not comparable. 
 

edit - Fox averages 1.4 million viewers. The 2.5 million number is for prime time slots. 

You can't compare cable viewership with NYT subscriptions, particularly if you don't include right-leaning newspapers such as the Wall Street Journal, New York Post and Christian Science monitor. 

Tucker at 4 million views a night, five nights a week and 

Fox dominates the fock of cable information sources:

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/these-are-the-top-rated-cable-news-shows-of-2022/521247/

RANK	NETWORK	PROGRAM NAME	P2+AA (000)	#Tlc
1	FOXN	THE FIVE	3419	246
2	FOXN	TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT	3031	228
3	FOXN	JESSE WATTERS PRIMETIME	2857	200
4	FOXN	HANNITY	2811	214
5	FOXN	SPECIAL REPORT BRET BAIER	2511	244
6	FOXN	THE INGRAHAM ANGLE	2269	215
7	FOXN	GUTFELD!	2040	222
8	FOXN	OUTNUMBERED	1858	245
9	FOXN	AMERICA’S NEWSROOM	1761	496
10	MSNBC	ALEX WAGNER/ MADDOW	1756	186
11	FOXN	THE FAULKNER FOCUS	1744	253
12	FOXN	YOUR WORLD NEIL CAVUTO	1611	245
13	FOXN	AMERICA REPORTS	1592	481
14	FOXN	THE STORY MARTHA MACCALLUM	1576	246
15	MSNBC	LAST WORD LAWRENCE O’DONNELL	1442	234
16	FOXN	FOX AND FRIENDS	1376	737
17	MSNBC	ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES	1346	239
18	MSNBC	DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE NICOLLE WALLACE	1341	253
19	MSNBC	THE BEAT WITH ARI MELBER	1328	254
20	MSNBC	REIDOUT	1182	245
21	FOXN	FOX NEWS @ NIGHT	1117	259
22	MSNBC	THE 11TH HOUR STEPHANIE RUHLE	963	206
23	CNN	ANDERSON COOPER 360	868	317
24	MSNBC	MORNING JOE	865	436
25	CNN	LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER	809	435
26	MSNBC	HALLIE JACKSON REPORTS	797	245
27	CNN	ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT	790	244
28	MSNBC	KATY TUR REPORTS	749	244
29	MSNBC	CHRIS JANSING REPORTS	739	134

 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

13 minutes ago, posty said:

So if we are being honest, I would like to say that I think Tim is very questionable and has a lot of personal issues and beliefs...

He will be the only person in world history with 100k political posts on 2 separate obscure fantasy football message boards. Seems like something one should seek professional help with. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You can't compare cable viewership with NYT subscriptions, particularly if you don't include right-leaning newspapers such as the Wall Street Journal, New York Post and Christian Science monitor. 

Fox dominates the fock of cable information sources:

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/these-are-the-top-rated-cable-news-shows-of-2022/521247/

RANK	NETWORK	PROGRAM NAME	P2+AA (000)	#Tlc
1	FOXN	THE FIVE	3419	246
2	FOXN	TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT	3031	228
3	FOXN	JESSE WATTERS PRIMETIME	2857	200
4	FOXN	HANNITY	2811	214
5	FOXN	SPECIAL REPORT BRET BAIER	2511	244
6	FOXN	THE INGRAHAM ANGLE	2269	215
7	FOXN	GUTFELD!	2040	222
8	FOXN	OUTNUMBERED	1858	245
9	FOXN	AMERICA’S NEWSROOM	1761	496
10	MSNBC	ALEX WAGNER/ MADDOW	1756	186
11	FOXN	THE FAULKNER FOCUS	1744	253
12	FOXN	YOUR WORLD NEIL CAVUTO	1611	245
13	FOXN	AMERICA REPORTS	1592	481
14	FOXN	THE STORY MARTHA MACCALLUM	1576	246
15	MSNBC	LAST WORD LAWRENCE O’DONNELL	1442	234
16	FOXN	FOX AND FRIENDS	1376	737
17	MSNBC	ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES	1346	239
18	MSNBC	DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE NICOLLE WALLACE	1341	253
19	MSNBC	THE BEAT WITH ARI MELBER	1328	254
20	MSNBC	REIDOUT	1182	245
21	FOXN	FOX NEWS @ NIGHT	1117	259
22	MSNBC	THE 11TH HOUR STEPHANIE RUHLE	963	206
23	CNN	ANDERSON COOPER 360	868	317
24	MSNBC	MORNING JOE	865	436
25	CNN	LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER	809	435
26	MSNBC	HALLIE JACKSON REPORTS	797	245
27	CNN	ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT	790	244
28	MSNBC	KATY TUR REPORTS	749	244
29	MSNBC	CHRIS JANSING REPORTS	739	134

 

I just provided the numbers. NYT dwarfs all of them. The New York Post only has a few hundred thousand daily subscribers.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I just provided the numbers. NYT dwarfs all of them. The New York Post only has a few hundred thousand daily subscribers.

Well, if you're going to go there, let's do the math on Carlson.

If he's getting 4 million viewers a night, five days a week and 52 weeks out of the year, that's 1.04 billion views in a year!

And Tucker's main thing is political opinions.

NYT readership is far more diverse than the Tucker audience. Readers go there for not only news but arts, restaurant and theater reviews, sports and ... WORDLE!

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The View doesn’t discuss political issues every day? Those were only 2 examples. What Conservative media would you compare to the NYT maybe the WSJ which is a stretch and only has a third of the NYT subscriber base which is similar to the WaPo?

I didn't say The View didn't discuss political issues, that doesn't make them a news network like Fox News is.  They are a talk show.  The others you mention are all newspapers/digital content.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I just provided the numbers. NYT dwarfs all of them. The New York Post only has a few hundred thousand daily subscribers.

Don’t bother. They refuse to accept that they belong to the corporate/ MIC/ Big Pharma/ Wall Street/ Corporate media party now. 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Don’t bother. They refuse to accept that they belong to the corporate/ MIC/ Big Pharma/ Wall Street/ Corporate media party now. 

No one is denying that.  I agree with you.  You're straying from the point that was made though.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Don’t bother. They refuse to accept that they belong to the corporate/ MIC/ Big Pharma/ Wall Street/ Corporate media party now. 

And Fox is just some mom-and-pop operation. Never mind that it generates more than six times the revenue and has almost double the number of employees as the New York Times company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Company

Revenue	US$2.07 billion (2021)
Operating income	US$268 million (2021)
Net income	US$220 million (2021)
Total assets	US$2.56 billion (2021)
Total equity	US$1.54 billion (2021)
Number of employees	c. 5,000 (December 2021)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation

Revenue	US$12.91 billion (2021)
Operating income	US$2.77 billion (2021)
Net income	US$2.15 billion (2021)
Total assets	US$22.93 billion (2021)
Total equity	US$11.39 billion (2021) Number of employees 9,000 (2020)

[wiffleball 4,788]

8 hours ago, jonmx said:

Today's Liberal:

2.  Fully supports a hierarchy structure of citizens where rights, benefits and legal protection are purely based on race and gender identity.  

I can't believe how wrong you are about this.

 

 

Completely missed sexual preference. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

And Fox is just some mom-and-pop operation. Never mind that it generates more than six times the revenue and has almost double the number of employees as the New York Times company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_Company

Revenue	US$2.07 billion (2021)
Operating income	US$268 million (2021)
Net income	US$220 million (2021)
Total assets	US$2.56 billion (2021)
Total equity	US$1.54 billion (2021)
Number of employees	c. 5,000 (December 2021)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation

Revenue	US$12.91 billion (2021)
Operating income	US$2.77 billion (2021)
Net income	US$2.15 billion (2021)
Total assets	US$22.93 billion (2021)
Total equity	US$11.39 billion (2021) Number of employees 9,000 (2020)

This is about your denial. As someone that now votes republican I acknowledge that Republican leadership is also in the grips of those entities. It’s an unfortunate reality but the MAGA wing is working on it.I measure the good vs the bad and proceed  You can’t seem to accept who and what you really vote for. It ain’t the working man. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is about your denial. As someone that now votes republican I acknowledge that Republican leadership is also in the grips of those entities. It’s an unfortunate reality but the MAGA wing is working on it.I measure the good vs the bad and proceed  You can’t seem to accept who and what you really vote for. It ain’t the working man. 

What am I denying? 

My point being that one is going to hold up NYT circulation as the shining example of hugeness and influence, then let's compare the two companies to see which one actually is bigger, and it's not even close.

[jerryskids 6,552]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Well I never said that you still supported him, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself.  Way to go.

One thing that doesn't make me feel better is proving you wrong.  You used to be a good poster but in the past year you've been mostly a troll, and more recently you just have diarrhea spewing from your fingertips, tossing out Maga and racist labels like a purple-haired teen sky screamer.  I'd encourage you to be better, but I don't hold out much hope.  

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

The whole point is, Fox News has one of the largest viewership in the media yet republicans say they trust the media less than democrats.  My theory is when they vote in those polls, they aren't thinking about Fox News, they are only thinking about the liberal media.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The whole point is, Fox News has one of the largest viewership in the media yet republicans say they trust the media less than democrats.  My theory is when they vote in those polls, they aren't thinking about Fox News, they are only thinking about the liberal media.

No one uses Fox News to bolster their  point. The NYT is constantly used to bolster a point. Just like Ivy League schools. Those entities are firmly leftists. 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No one uses Fox News to bolster their  point. The NYT is constantly used to bolster a point. Just like Ivy League schools. Those entities are firmly leftists. 

I think we're talking about two different things here.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

One thing that doesn't make me feel better is proving you wrong.  You used to be a good poster but in the past year you've been mostly a troll, and more recently you just have diarrhea spewing from your fingertips, tossing out Maga and racist labels like a purple-haired teen sky screamer.  I'd encourage you to be better, but I don't hold out much hope.  

Ass opposed to you who has called me a pedo and labeled me a liberal in order to be part of the gang.  Enjoy.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I think we're talking about two different things here.

The views of leftist entities are given credence throughout media. 

[jerryskids 6,552]

12 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The whole point is, Fox News has one of the largest viewership in the media yet republicans say they trust the media less than democrats.  My theory is when they vote in those polls, they aren't thinking about Fox News, they are only thinking about the liberal media.

This Fox News thing is so tiring...the reason they have such a large viewership is that they are the ONLY mainstream outlet that doesn't fall somewhere between leans Left and dives Left.  In other words, yes, Fox News has more viewers than any single one of the 9218734893021 other media outlets.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The whole point is, Fox News has one of the largest viewership in the media yet republicans say they trust the media less than democrats.  My theory is when they vote in those polls, they aren't thinking about Fox News, they are only thinking about the liberal media.

Your point is flawed. Fox News based on the numbers averages across all times, 2.5 million daily viewers. 75 million Americans voted for Trump in 2020 so less than 4% of Republican voters watch Fox News.

[jerryskids 6,552]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Ass opposed to you who has called me a pedo and labeled me a liberal in order to be part of the gang.  Enjoy.

I called you a pedo?  I'd need to see a link on that.  I recall saying that I do not think you are a pedo.  Also in the context of the young girl twerking in the street for a crowd, Ive said that I think you have a naive view of the impact of positive reinforcement on such behavior could have on an impressionable kid.  But I don't think I called you a pedo.

I'm confident I've called you a liberal or leftist, most likely leftist although I occasionally slip up on this.  It's not so much to be a part of the gang as it is that 98%+ of your political posts here are leftist.  HTH.

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

This Fox News thing is so tiring...the reason they have such a large viewership is that they are the ONLY mainstream outlet that doesn't fall somewhere between leans Left and dives Left?  In other words, yes, Fox News has more viewers than any single one of the 9218734893021 other media outlets.

I guess the best comparison would be to look at the viewership numbers of channels like CNN, MSNBC and others then look at Fox News, OAN, Newsmax and others.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

One thing that doesn't make me feel better is proving you wrong.  You used to be a good poster but in the past year you've been mostly a troll, and more recently you just have diarrhea spewing from your fingertips, tossing out Maga and racist labels like a purple-haired teen sky screamer.  I'd encourage you to be better, but I don't hold out much hope.  

EEYORE ACTIVATED!

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This Fox News thing is so tiring...the reason they have such a large viewership is that they are the ONLY mainstream outlet that doesn't fall somewhere between leans Left and dives Left.  In other words, yes, Fox News has more viewers than any single one of the 9218734893021 other media outlets.

So the Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Christian Science Monitor, etc., aren't mainstream media.

Gotcha!

[jerryskids 6,552]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

EEYORE ACTIVATED!

Oooh, color, bold, AND big font!  You are italics away from hitting Quad Sky Screamer status$#@!

You do realize I was responding to him calling me Maga, right?  Never mind, I know the answer.

[jerryskids 6,552]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So the Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Christian Science Monitor, etc., aren't mainstream media.

Gotcha!

I should have said network, since he was discussing viewership.

That being said, Christian Science Monitor, really?   

Quote

Publication circulation: approximately 50,000 subscribers.²⁰

https://ischoolwikis.sjsu.edu/lispublications/wiki/civilian-publications/the-christian-science-monitor/

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I called you a pedo?  I'd need to see a link on that.  I recall saying that I do not think you are a pedo.  Also in the context of the young girl twerking in the street for a crowd, Ive said that I think you have a naive view of the impact of positive reinforcement on such behavior could have on an impressionable kid.  But I don't think I called you a pedo.

I'm confident I've called you a liberal or leftist, most likely leftist although I occasionally slip up on this.  It's not so much to be a part of the gang as it is that 98%+ of your political posts here are leftist.  HTH.

 

Man you have a bad memory.  We just went over this a few weeks ago.

I'm for small govt, lower taxes, personal responsibility, I voted down the line R except for president in 2020.  I'm no leftist.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I should have said network, since he was discussing viewership.

That being said, Christian Science Monitor, really?   

https://ischoolwikis.sjsu.edu/lispublications/wiki/civilian-publications/the-christian-science-monitor/

Oan, newsmax tv, there are others I'm sure

[jerryskids 6,552]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Man you have a bad memory.  We just went over this a few weeks ago.

I'm for small govt, lower taxes, personal responsibility, I voted down the line R except for president in 2020.  I'm no leftist.

Yeah, no shiot on that one, we already discussed it and it was an obvious joke, like my "ebonics" comment that you totally missed.  You seem to have a pattern of just seeing a word and overreacting without actually understanding the context.  Anyway, I thought you had another, actual example.  

 

[jerryskids 6,552]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Oan, newsmax tv, there are others I'm sure

You consider those news media? That maybe explains why you consider anyone right of Bernie to be Maga$#@!

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Oan, newsmax tv, there are others I'm sure

What channel are they on? I have YouTube TV. Neither of those channels are available.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

48 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

What channel are they on? I have YouTube TV. Neither of those channels are available.

Google is your friend 

[dogcows 1,030]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Google is your friend 

And Bing is your enemy:

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Oooh, color, bold, AND big font!  You are italics away from hitting Quad Sky Screamer status$#@!

You do realize I was responding to him calling me Maga, right?  Never mind, I know the answer.

No, I'm referring to your tired old "you used to be a better" poster whining.

And somewhere in this forum I thought you referred to yourself as a MAGA.