Star Alabama basketball player provided gun used in murder

[TimHauck 3,473]

And has started every game since.

Coach: "He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time."  wtf?

 

 

 

[Strike 6,049]

Reflects poorly on the coach, AD, and school. 

[posty 2,856]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And has started every game since.

The games were on the moon...

 

[League Champion 1,926]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

has started every game since.

Coach: "He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time

I couldn't believe that when I heard it. What a scum bag 

[TimHauck 3,473]

24 minutes ago, posty said:

The games were on the moon...

 

Sorry, didn’t see that 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

That's a f'n straw purchase and he most certainly is in a lot of trouble - and that's just from the ATF and the Feds.

This should be a career-ender.

[TimHauck 3,473]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That's a f'n straw purchase and he most certainly is in a lot of trouble - and that's just from the ATF and the Feds.

This should be a career-ender.

The DA said there was nothing to charge him with.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

The DA said there was nothing to charge him with.

How is that possible?  What he did was LITERALLY a straw purchase and should get you locked up real quick.

[Gladiators 2,035]

What's the call here?  Does he get credit for an assist?

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How is that possible?  What he did was LITERALLY a straw purchase and should get you locked up real quick.

I thought he just brought the dude the dude's own gun.  That's not a straw purchase.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

I don't think Miller did anything wrong.  It wasn't his gun.  He brought a gun to the person who owned it.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  The only way I see Miller as doing something wrong would be if he knew Miles was going to use it to kill someone one.  I'm guessing the text messages would prove that.

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4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think Miller did anything wrong.  It wasn't his gun.  He brought a gun to the person who owned it.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  The only way I see Miller as doing something wrong would be if he knew Miles was going to use it to kill someone one.  I'm guessing the text messages would prove that.

I think there's a number of things Miller could be on the hook for.  I'm assuming it's not legal for just anyone to carry a loaded gun in their car.  Did Miller have the requisite permit for carrying a loaded gun?  As you noted, if he knew the purpose of bringing the firearm, or if it was even likely, he could/should be held accountable.  I need to know more about how this all went down - timeline, etc....before forming my final opinion.  

[TimHauck 3,473]

11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think Miller did anything wrong.  It wasn't his gun.  He brought a gun to the person who owned it.  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  The only way I see Miller as doing something wrong would be if he knew Miles was going to use it to kill someone one.  I'm guessing the text messages would prove that.

Yeah I could see no legal ramifications, but would think the coach would at least give some sort of punishment from the team perspective…

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

I think there's a number of things Miller could be on the hook for.  I'm assuming it's not legal for just anyone to carry a loaded gun in their car.  Did Miller have the requisite permit for carrying a loaded gun?  As you noted, if he knew the purpose of bringing the firearm, or if it was even likely, he could/should be held accountable.  I need to know more about how this all went down - timeline, etc....before forming my final opinion.  

 

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah I could see no legal ramifications, but would think the coach would at least give some sort of punishment from the team perspective…

From what is being reported, I don't think Miller did anything wrong.  Do we even know the gun was loaded when Miller brought Miles the gun?  I guess we can assume it was, for now.  Even still, if Miles was a legal owner of the gun, I'm hesitant to hold Miller responsible for anything, pending on what he knew and when he knew it.  I'm sure more will come out.  For all we know, Miles sent Miller a text saying, "Hey, can you bring me my gun".  I don't know how Miller deserves any punishment from anyone for doing it.

I don't like something like that being all that's needed to require someone being punished... be it as simple as a game suspension or as severe as being charged with a crime.

[GobbleDog 1,020]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm assuming it's not legal for just anyone to carry a loaded gun in their car.  Did Miller have the requisite permit for carrying a loaded gun? 

In Alabama? They allow open carry and damn near everyone is a hunter with loaded guns in the car.

I don't know what's technically legal and what ain't, but I'm pretty damn sure you can have a loaded gun in your car in Alabama without a permit.  Hell, I can do that in Florida, and unlike Alabama, I don't even to register the gun.

[Mark Davis 436]

The only way they can charge him is if they want to try and prove Miller brought the gun with some kind of intent to facilitate or knowledge that the gun would be used in a crime.  The speculation is the DA cut a deal with Miller to testify and he wouldn't be charged.  My understanding is that intent here on Miller's part would be difficult to prove.  Now when it comes to civil liability, expect Miller to get sued almost immediately after he signs a NBA contract.  

[cmh6476 1,163]

Someone who is in the area says when he dropped the gun off, he was blocking the victims car on a one way street where he wouldn't have been able to leave.   Awful convenient...

[cmh6476 1,163]

4 hours ago, posty said:

The games were on the moon...

 

I was kinda surprised no one responded, but appearing geeks don't really follow college basketball. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

I thought he just brought the dude the dude's own gun.  That's not a straw purchase.

Sh#t!  I read "brought" as "bought".   I'm an idiot.  Carry on. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

17 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The only way they can charge him is if they want to try and prove Miller brought the gun with some kind of intent to facilitate or knowledge that the gun would be used in a crime.  The speculation is the DA cut a deal with Miller to testify and he wouldn't be charged.  My understanding is that intent here on Miller's part would be difficult to prove.  Now when it comes to civil liability, expect Miller to get sued almost immediately after he signs a NBA contract.  

Depends on the statute of limitations and when the clock starts.  Here in NJ, the statute of limitations (for a civil suit), starts from the day of the incident and is 2 years.  If it's the same in Alabama, then he'll probably be able to avoid a big financial penalty by just staying in college through his junior season.

[Mark Davis 436]

22 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Someone who is in the area says when he dropped the gun off, he was blocking the victims car on a one way street where he wouldn't have been able to leave.   Awful convenient...

I know that street, or at least if it's the one I was told it was, it is pretty narrow.  It's not one way, even though it isn't really as wide as you'd expect a two way street to be.

[Mark Davis 436]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Depends on the statute of limitations and when the clock starts.  Here in NJ, the statute of limitations (for a civil suit), starts from the day of the incident and is 2 years.  If it's the same in Alabama, then he'll probably be able to avoid a big financial penalty by just staying in college through his junior season.

Heard a civil attorney on local radio this morning, saying in Alabama it's at the least 2 years.  

[TimHauck 3,473]

50 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

From what is being reported, I don't think Miller did anything wrong.  Do we even know the gun was loaded when Miller brought Miles the gun?  I guess we can assume it was, for now.  Even still, if Miles was a legal owner of the gun, I'm hesitant to hold Miller responsible for anything, pending on what he knew and when he knew it.  I'm sure more will come out.  For all we know, Miles sent Miller a text saying, "Hey, can you bring me my gun".  I don't know how Miller deserves any punishment from anyone for doing it.

I don't like something like that being all that's needed to require someone being punished... be it as simple as a game suspension or as severe as being charged with a crime.

I believe it was reported that he used some slang to tell Miles that it was loaded.  And yeah, as @cmh6476 mentioned, supposedly his car was blocking in the victim’s or something

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

30 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Heard a civil attorney on local radio this morning, saying in Alabama it's at the least 2 years.  

If that's the case, then if no charges are brought on him, then it's probably in his best interest to stay all 4 years then.  Make sure he's in school at least 3 years.  If he leaves school after this year, it's in the victim's family's best interest to keep quiet until after the draft.  If civil charges are brought up against him before the draft, it could affect his draft position and the money he has.  If they wait until after he signs his deal, they can get more money.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I believe it was reported that he used some slang to tell Miles that it was loaded.  And yeah, as @cmh6476 mentioned, supposedly his car was blocking in the victim’s or something

That's not good then.  If that's true and he had a role in the shooting, he needs to be not only suspended from the team, the NCAA should ban him from athletics completely.  It would up to the school if they want to allow him to stay there.

[TimHauck 3,473]

Statement from attorney:

Claims Miller did not touch the gun, just that Miles had left it in his vehicle.

Also claims Miller did not block the victim’s car and was parked before the victim’s car arrived.

Says this is supported by video evidence.

 

 

[Strike 6,049]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Statement from attorney:

Claims Miller did not touch the gun, just that Miles had left it in his vehicle.

Also claims Miller did not block the victim’s car and was parked before the victim’s car arrived.

Says this is supported by video evidence.

 

 

Let me Axe you a question, Tim.    If you were in college and one of your buddies asked you to let him leave a loaded gun in your car, would you let him?  FFS, quit making excuses for this kid.

[TimHauck 3,473]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

FFS, quit making excuses for this kid.

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic 

[TimHauck 3,473]

@Strike you're not seriously claiming I was making excuses were you?

[cmh6476 1,163]

Go c0cks

[nobody 2,952]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

Let me Axe you a question, Tim.    If you were in college and one of your buddies asked you to let him leave a loaded gun in your car, would you let him?  FFS, quit making excuses for this kid.

The attorney is claiming he didn't even know the gun was in the car.  It's not a crime to be bad at picking friends.  

[cmh6476 1,163]

So is this the real USC they are playing?  Or is the other one the real one?

[TimHauck 3,473]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

The attorney is claiming he didn't even know the gun was in the car.  It's not a crime to be bad at picking friends.  

And somehow it seems Strike thinks me summarizing the attorney's statement is me "making excuses for him"

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Just now, TimHauck said:

And somehow it seems Strike thinks me summarizing the attorney's statement is me "making excuses for him"

Yes, you are.  The attorney is full of sh*t, as are most defense attorneys in high profile cases.  The cops have a text asking dude to bring him his gun.  Why would he send that if dude didn't even know he had it? 

[TimHauck 3,473]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Yes, you are.  The attorney is full of sh*t, as are most defense attorneys in high profile cases.  The cops have a text asking dude to bring him his gun.  Why would he send that if dude didn't even know he had it? 

Attorney could be full of sh1t, but all I did was summarize his statement, didn't offer an opinion.  Just take the L.

[cmh6476 1,163]

Brandon Miller has 35 points but 0 assists.

Which is weird, because I’ve heard a lot about how good he is at setting up shots for his friends.

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2 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Brandon Miller has 35 points but 0 assists.

Which is weird, because I’ve heard a lot about how good he is at setting up shots for his friends.

Watching now but haven't watched the whole game.  Sometimes teams will purposely take a player out of the game and they have to contribute in other ways.  Often that will result in other elevated stats so him having 35+ points may be a result of South Carolina trying to take away his passing, thinking it gives them best chance to win.  The he's gonna get his strategy.

[cmh6476 1,163]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Watching now but haven't watched the whole game.  Sometimes teams will purposely take a player out of the game and they have to contribute in other ways.  Often that will result in other elevated stats so him having 35+ points may be a result of South Carolina trying to take away his passing, thinking it gives them best chance to win.  The he's gonna get his strategy.

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Strike's head

[Strike 6,049]

1 minute ago, cmh6476 said:

The joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Strike's head

Yeah, I missed this one.

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

Worse toleration by a university of a coach, Michigan State keeping Tom Izzo, Penn State keeping Loe Paterno, and then this.  A coach covering for a player who facilitated murder, trying to excuse the bhavior rather than trying to use the teachable moment.  

 

I am sure there are other great examples.  Hell, Barry Switzers programs were out of control and plenty of coaches have covered for player rapes and domestic violence.