Marine doing Marine sh!t

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No your presumption is wrong. The structural racism against blacks continues, there is none against whites. And the violence by whites against blacks is a lot more recent than 50 years ago: just look at the mass murders last year. 

This is factually incorrect.

The structured racism that Democrats stood up was removed, from law, now the AA community mostly faces the grim threat of Democrat racism from more silent manuevers.

There is nothing.....absolutely nothing....anyone can actually point at to support this farcical notion of structural racism against black people. Instead they look at outcomes and assume it just has to be something in "the system", but its not there, you cannot find it and you cannot fix the problem by blaming "the system".

You have to fix the people, the culture THAT is where the problem exists. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

This is factually incorrect.

The structured racism that Democrats stood up was removed, from law, now the AA community mostly faces the grim threat of Democrat racism from more silent manuevers.

There is nothing.....absolutely nothing....anyone can actually point at to support this farcical notion of structural racism against black people. Instead they look at outcomes and assume it just has to be something in "the system", but its not there, you cannot find it and you cannot fix the problem by blaming "the system".

You have to fix the people, the culture THAT is where the problem exists. 

No you’re wrong. And it’s very frustrating that so many conservatives appear to believe that structural racism ended with the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. You’ve got your heads in the sand. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No you’re wrong. And it’s very frustrating that so many conservatives appear to believe that structural racism ended with the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. You’ve got your heads in the sand. 

No, you are wrong. And you are harming these people with your refusal to deal with them honestly.  I know you think you are helping, and I beleive you erally want to help.  But what you beleive is wrong and harmful. You are an enabler.  Not unlike a parent that refuses to deal with their addict child, you continue to foster these farcicical notions instead of getting into the weeds and helping them move away from their poisonous culture.

Every other group in this society has figured this out, every other minority has reached that "aha" moment, and is thriving.  If we look at the behaviors of those groups, which is supported by left-leaining groups like Brookings, we see how easy it is to simply make good choices and succeed.  This group includes Africans as well, just those who more recently arrived and do not have the sickness from the culture here. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, you are wrong. And you are harming these people with your refusal to deal with them honestly.  I know you think you are helping, and I beleive you erally want to help.  But what you beleive is wrong and harmful. You are an enabler.  Not unlike a parent that refuses to deal with their addict child, you continue to foster these farcicical notions instead of getting into the weeds and helping them move away from their poisonous culture.

Every other group in this society has figured this out, every other minority has reached that "aha" moment, and is thriving.  If we look at the behaviors of those groups, which is supported by left-leaining groups like Brookings, we see how easy it is to simply make good choices and succeed.  This group includes Africans as well, just those who more recently arrived and do not have the sickness from the culture here. 

You’re making a mistake by attempting to pigeonhole my beliefs. You assume that because I believe there is still structural racism that means I automatically agree with every liberal and leftist solution to this problem. I don’t. Many of your arguments about responsibility along with government programs making things worse have merit. It depends in each case on the details. But I am, and have always been open to conservative solutions to these problems. But we need to acknowledge that the problems exist. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re making a mistake by attempting to pigeonhole my beliefs. You assume that because I believe there is still structural racism that means I automatically agree with every liberal and leftist solution to this problem. I don’t. Many of your arguments about responsibility along with government programs making things worse have merit. It depends in each case on the details. But I am, and have always been open to conservative solutions to these problems. But we need to acknowledge that the problems exist. 

Thank you for that clarification, I think you are correct that I was perhaps assigning something to your position that was not true. 

I might suggest that Trump has the right ideas.  First and foremost, address employment.  Everyone was to be successful in taking care of themselves and thier families.  It takes time. But getting people working is such a powerful and positive impact that is almost immediate. Then bolster the historically black colleges, I thought that was just brilliant as well. 

It would take some time, but through simple steps such as these a strong foundation for meaningful and sustained progress is the result. If Trump is put back in office I fully expect he will resume helping that community again, and they will be much better off for it. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Guys like @GutterBoy and @thegeneral would just keep walking by with their head down.  
 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

Can we put this one to rest yet?

Protestors are focking idiots. So are democrats. Another we see black man die make up many lies as possible. Idiots who believe the media and leftist politicians like AOC don’t care. They are the problem. They still believe in Juicy 

[Mr Fantasy 67]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Guys like @GutterBoy and @thegeneral would just keep walking by with their head down.  
 

 

I picture general holding tightly to his New York Times & gutter boy squeezing his azz cheeks so his butt plug safely stays in place as they pass

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Guys like @GutterBoy and @thegeneral would just keep walking by with their head down.  
 

 

Who will get out and march for this victim?  Where is the outrage for her?  Did her life matter?

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Guys like @GutterBoy and @thegeneral would just keep walking by with their head down.  
 

 

How do you know what I would do fake tough guy?

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How do you know what I would do fake tough guy?

Do you agree with what the Marine did to engage with this clown?

If you do not, then you would walk by.  That is simple.  In reality, when you engage with someone like this you likely will get into a physical interaction, and I can tell you that "I" am not going to let the criminal get me hurt....he will have to die if he does not back off. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

14 minutes ago, Mr Fantasy said:

I picture general holding tightly to his New York Times & gutter boy squeezing his azz cheeks so his butt plug safely stays in place as they pass

You’d be reading bullshit that you bought hook line and sinker on Twitter 

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Do you agree with what the Marine did to engage with this clown?

If you do not, then you would walk by.  That is simple.  In reality, when you engage with someone like this you likely will get into a physical interaction, and I can tell you that "I" am not going to let the criminal get me hurt....he will have to die if he does not back off. 

I don’t know what I would do, I wasn’t there. People typing what they would do in here comes across a bit ridiculous to me but carry on.

I hope the Marine is not brought up on charges and this is deemed justifiable and that some further actions are taken by NYC to prevent this. We’ll see as the cops finish their work.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t know what I would do, I wasn’t there. People typing what they would do in here comes across a bit ridiculous to me but carry on.

I hope the Marine is not brought up on charges and this is deemed justifiable and that some further actions are taken by NYC to prevent this. We’ll see as the cops finish their work.

Yeah, its hard to be sure what you might do, I get that.  I think we need to wait and see what they charge him with.  There is a reason they do not act too fast as it limits their options.  This is an important strategic move on their part to ensure they do not imperil any court actions later.  I get that the mob does not understand this. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Do you agree with what the Marine did to engage with this clown?

If you do not, then you would walk by.  That is simple.  In reality, when you engage with someone like this you likely will get into a physical interaction, and I can tell you that "I" am not going to let the criminal get me hurt....he will have to die if he does not back off. 

I wasn't there, but by going by eyewitness reports, a man simply yelling about being hungry, I would not feel the need to murder him.  If he started attacking someone, I would jump in and defend the victim, or at least I believe I would.  Haven't been in that position in almost 30 years, where I did jump in and defend someone.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I wasn't there, but by going by eyewitness reports, a man simply yelling about being hungry, I would not feel the need to murder him.  If he started attacking someone, I would jump in and defend the victim, or at least I believe I would.  Haven't been in that position in almost 30 years, where I did jump in and defend someone.

still what MSNBC is saying this morning I see

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I wasn't there, but by going by eyewitness reports, a man simply yelling about being hungry, I would not feel the need to murder him.  If he started attacking someone, I would jump in and defend the victim, or at least I believe I would.  Haven't been in that position in almost 30 years, where I did jump in and defend someone.

  Jumping in to help is no small feat.   You really are exposing yourself to danger and it takes considerable courage. I would hope I would do the same.

People can yell about what ever they want.  But if you cross the line, get in my face or physical, then its on.  I surmise that is what transpired here. The guy had 40+ prior incidents and no one stood up to him in this instances, so he likely felt he could get away with it again, he was wrong in this instance of course. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, its hard to be sure what you might do, I get that.  I think we need to wait and see what they charge him with.  There is a reason they do not act too fast as it limits their options.  This is an important strategic move on their part to ensure they do not imperil any court actions later.  I get that the mob does not understand this. 

Yep. This is a powder keg type case. Has many issues that will touch nerves. Cops and DA need to have everything on point.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

still what MSNBC is saying this morning I see

Feel free to share any other info you have.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Feel free to share any other info you have.

its been shared ad naseum throughout the thread, he was threating people and saying I dont care what people do I want to die

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

its been shared ad naseum throughout the thread, he was threating people and saying I dont care what people do I want to die

 

So he was just ranting like a mentally disturbed person, right?

[jerryskids 6,799]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe the people that are protesting are completely wrong about this event. I don’t believe Penny should be prosecuted and it would be a shame if he is: 

That being said, I really wish some of you would at least try to understand why these protests are happening. It’s not because they’re crazy radical leftists or any of the other nonsense that’s being spread around in this thread. It’s because there’s a history of black people being held by chokeholds and killed, George Floyd being only the most famous example of countless others. And this has been going on for decades; recall that in Spike Lee’s Do The Right Thing, nearly 35 years old, the pivotal moment that caused the riot was a chokehold of an unruly black guy which resulted in death. And that film took place in NYC, though any urban area would have been just as suitable. 
 

The point I am making is that many people are sick and tired of these chokeholds. They’re angry about it, and they have a right to be angry. Unfortunately that means they’re not willing to look at situations like this one objectively. 

How, in your expert opinion, should a person subdue a large, often drug-fueled man, if not by a chokehold?  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

9 hours ago, RLLD said:

  Jumping in to help is no small feat.   You really are exposing yourself to danger and it takes considerable courage. I would hope I would do the same.

People can yell about what ever they want.  But if you cross the line, get in my face or physical, then its on.  I surmise that is what transpired here. The guy had 40+ prior incidents and no one stood up to him in this instances, so he likely felt he could get away with it again, he was wrong in this instance of course. 

I have been one to intervene on behalf of those needing defense.  When I did I was certain of the outcome.  Now I am older and with that aging physical prowess has been replaced by physical limitations.  Where I use to walk the earth with impunity I now wonder aboput my ability to protect myself. I wonder if my instincts would now get me into trouble.  I suspect they might.  I wonder if my instincts would be tempered by self awareness of present limitations. Ideally I will not find out.

 

It's the quickness, balance, flexibility and algileness that have left.  Most of the strength is still there, but without the others that strength would be mighty lonely in a confrontation.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

So he was just ranting like a mentally disturbed person, right?

yes and making threats, thats what you forgot, so if someone is getting in your face and threatening you, you would just stand there and say oh hes just mentally disturbed

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How, in your expert opinion, should a person subdue a large, often drug-fueled man, if not by a chokehold?  

Elbow locks can be quite effective but you really have to know what you are doing.  Me, I would probably blink out his lights.

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I have been one to intervene on behalf of those needing defense.  When I did I was certain of the outcome.  Now I am older and with that physical prowess has been replaced by physical limitations.  Where I use to walk the earth with impunity I know wonder aboput my ability to protect myself. I wonder if my instincts would now get me into trouble.  I suspect they might.  I wonder if my instincts would be tempered by self awareness of present limitations. Ideally I will not find out.

Yeah, this is where i am. I have taken my fair share of injury from altercations, some of which is dogging me to this day. I have NO interest is being beat down, again....

[jerryskids 6,799]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Elbow locks can be quite effective but you really have to know what you are doing.  Me, I would probably blink out his lights.

Well, that's the answer, you knock him TF out, which has a much higher fatality rate.

Arm bars etc. can be effective but, as you alluded, they are fairly technical and generally would be possible while already physically engaged.

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How, in your expert opinion, should a person subdue a large, often drug-fueled man, if not by a chokehold?  

I don’t know. I certainly don’t blame Penny for doing what he did. 
 

All I’m saying is that whenever a black guy gets chokeholded by a white guy and death occurs, there’s going to be a visceral reaction by some people. I can disagree with them yet at the same time empathize with their anger and frustration. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

And honestly if Penny is prosecuted, even if he were to be found not guilty, it’s going to make people more hesitant to do anything in these situations. I know that I myself, even if I knew how to physically subdue somebody (I don’t) would probably stand there and do nothing unless my own life was threatened. Why should I if there is a possibility that I might be prosecuted later on? Who needs the hassle? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes and making threats, thats what you forgot, so if someone is getting in your face and threatening you, you would just stand there and say oh hes just mentally disturbed

 

What threats?

There are homeless mentally disturbed people all over NYC.  You learn to ignore/tolerate them.  If someone got in my face and threatened me, I wouldn't murder them, but if they put their hands on me I would defend myself.  We all have different thresholds for engaging in violence.

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

What threats?

There are homeless mentally disturbed people all over NYC.  You learn to ignore/tolerate them.  If someone got in my face and threatened me, I wouldn't murder them, but if they put their hands on me I would defend myself.  We all have different thresholds for engaging in violence.

You keep using the word "murder," is that what Media Matters is calling it?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You keep using the word "murder," is that what Media Matters is calling it?

I have no idea, that's what I'm calling it, based on what I know.

[jerryskids 6,799]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I have no idea, that's what I'm calling it, based on what I know.

Your current knowledge indicates he engaged with the intent to kill him?  Well, that explains your attitude I guess.

I believe it is more accurate, based on what we know, that he engaged with the intent to subdue.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What threats?

There are homeless mentally disturbed people all over NYC.  You learn to ignore/tolerate them.  If someone got in my face and threatened me, I wouldn't murder them, but if they put their hands on me I would defend myself.  We all have different thresholds for engaging in violence.

This is why I do not like big cities.  In big cities people invade your personal space all the time through necessity.  When my personal space is invaded I am on alert. When the person in my personal space is acting erractically I am even more so.  You say one can learn to tolerate this.  Knowing myself I don't believe I ever would and therefore I avoid the situation.  Best for me and others that I do.

 

I find travel difficult.  I don't like to be queued up against others in trains and planes.  I hate airports and buses.  Generally I don't like crowds though I tolerate them when I pick the crowd like at a sporting event or concert.

 

Hell, even in bars, restaurants and theaters I  am aware of the doors and exits and I do not like persons at my back.  How big city dwellers to it I do not know

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

I don't think the guy had intent to kill the man.  There is video that shows him trying to help after he subdued him.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

40 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I have no idea, that's what I'm calling it, based on what I know.

You should open a book. Murder requires intent 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Your current knowledge indicates he engaged with the intent to kill him?  Well, that explains your attitude I guess.

I believe it is more accurate, based on what we know, that he engaged with the intent to subdue.

If he wanted to subdue, he did.  But after he was subdued, he kept choking him.  What was his intent on choking after he was subdued and unconscious?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think the guy had intent to kill the man.  There is video that shows him trying to help after he subdued him.

He realizes he focked up.

Maybe he didn't intend to kill him to start and he just got carried away, anger took over.  Maybe it's manslaughter.

[jerryskids 6,799]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If he wanted to subdue, he did.  But after he was subdued, he kept choking him.  What was his intent on choking after he was subdued and unconscious?

How long was he unconscious?  Seemed like the psychopath was struggling throughout most of the situation.

16 hours ago, Mr Fantasy said:

 

Watch the last two seconds of this, he clearly breathes.  He died at some point after the release.

I've already said I'm not confident Penny was an expert in applying the choke.  My point was your consistent use of "murder" which I presumed you got from one of your Leftist sites, because it is an unreasonable conclusion given what we know.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How long was he unconscious?  Seemed like the psychopath was struggling throughout most of the situation.

Watch the last two seconds of this, he clearly breathes.  He died at some point after the release.

I've already said I'm not confident Penny was an expert in applying the choke.  My point was your consistent use of "murder" which I presumed you got from one of your Leftist sites, because it is an unreasonable conclusion given what we know.

I really dont want to watch the death, I don't go to leftist sites, I already said my opinion can be changed, it's all based on evidence, that none of us are capable of determining.  If it offends you to call the guy a murderer, I'll stop.  Maybe he's not.