jerryskids 6,799 Posted May 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said: I really dont want to watch the death, I don't go to leftist sites, I already said my opinion can be changed, it's all based on evidence, that none of us are capable of determining. If it offends you to call the guy a murderer, I'll stop. Maybe he's not. I don't like to watch deaths either; he doesn't die in that video, like I said he is alive at the end. But fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted May 8, 2023 Statement from the victim’s family: Quote Neely's family released a statement on Monday morning, countering the one made by a law firm representing the 24-year-old former Marine last week. "Daniel Penny's press release is not an apology nor an expression of regret," the statement — which was shared with various outlets, including PEOPLE — read. "It is a character assassination and a clear example of why he believed he was entitled to take Jordan's life." "In the first paragraph, he talks about how 'good' he is and the next paragraph he talks about how 'bad' Jordan was in an effort to convince us Jordan's life was 'worthless.' The truth is, he knew nothing about Jordan's history when he intentionally wrapped his arms around Jordan's neck, and squeezed and kept squeezing," the statement continued. "In the last paragraph, Daniel Penny suggests that the general public has shown 'indifference' for people like Jordan, but that term is more appropriately used to describe himself." The statement concluded, "It is clear he is the one who acted with indifference, both at the time he killed Jordan and now in his first public message. He never attempted to help him at all. In short, his actions on the train, and now his words, show why he needs to be in prison." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted May 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, dogcows said: Statement from the victim’s family: Glad Jordan is gone. His life was worthless besides being an example of what should be gotten rid of. Let that be known. Save the innocent youth. Abolish abortion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted May 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, dogcows said: Statement from the victim’s family: Quote The statement concluded, "It is clear he is the one who acted with indifference, both at the time he killed Jordan and now in his first public message. He never attempted to help him at all. In short, his actions on the train, and now his words, show why he needs to be in prison." I would argue that it was not Penny's job to "help" the decedent; that would if anything fall on... the people who issued this statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,899 Posted May 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I would argue that it was not Penny's job to "help" the decedent; that would if anything fall on... the people who issued this statement. It wasn't his job to end his life either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted May 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said: It wasn't his job to end his life either I've said my opinion on that until we learn more; I was commenting on the assertion by the family that Penny had an obligation to help him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, dogcows said: Statement from the victim’s family: F them. The family wants a payout, that's all it's about. He was a piece of shizz violent criminal crackhead, good riddance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted May 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I would argue that it was not Penny's job to "help" the decedent; that would if anything fall on... the people who issued this statement. It wasn’t Penny’s job to do anything to anybody or for anybody on the subway that day. But in his statement (from his lawyer) he bemoaned the fact that society was “indifferent” instead of helping Mr. Neely. But for some reason he doesn’t see himself as part of society I guess, since he also did not help him. I believe that is the point the family is trying to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,203 Posted May 8, 2023 Just now, lickin_starfish said: Neely passed out and pooped his pants, leaving the subway with one last schitty performance. Being choked to death tends to result in that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted May 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, dogcows said: It wasn’t Penny’s job to do anything to anybody or for anybody on the subway that day. But in his statement (from his lawyer) he bemoaned the fact that society was “indifferent” instead of helping Mr. Neely. But for some reason he doesn’t see himself as part of society I guess, since he also did not help him. I believe that is the point the family is trying to make. Is penny the guy who killed the violent crazy liberal fock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, dogcows said: Statement from the victim’s family: I’m sorry but I’m forced to ask: this guy was homeless and mentally ill and wandering the streets. So who is this “family”? Why didn’t they take care of him? I hate to be skeptical but this sure sounds like a money grab by people who apparently didn’t give a crap for this guy while he was alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted May 8, 2023 1 minute ago, squistion said: Being choked to death tends to result in that. Excellent confirmation then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted May 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, League Champion said: F them. The family wants a payout, that's all it's about. He was a piece of shizz violent criminal crackhead, good riddance. I think a civil suit will be far more likely to be successful than any criminal case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted May 8, 2023 1 minute ago, thegeneral said: I think a civil suit will be far more likely to be successful than any criminal case. You think? I can’t imagine myself voting to give this “family” any money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted May 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You think? I can’t imagine myself voting to give this “family” any money. There are lower standards of proof in civil cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted May 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’m sorry but I’m forced to ask: this guy was homeless and mentally ill and wandering the streets. So who is this “family”? Why didn’t they take care of him? I hate to be skeptical but this sure sounds like a money grab by people who apparently didn’t give a crap for this guy while he was alive. bingo from the furthest left guy around here they saw the george floyd druggy payout and looking for some of that 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted May 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I think a civil suit will be far more likely to be successful than any criminal case. They'll probably win a civil suit, especially in NY. The defense will show or at least try to show that the victim was high on something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted May 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: bingo from the furthest left guy around here they saw the george floyd druggy payout and looking for some of that People do seem to like money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 8, 2023 I want RLLD by my side anytime some crazy mofo yells at me in the subway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted May 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, paulinstl said: I want RLLD by my side anytime some crazy mofo yells at me in the subway. Tell me you’re a liberal without telling me you’re a liberal 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Tell me you’re a liberal without telling me you’re a liberal I'm serious, RLLD is a badass. I'd want him in my foxhole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted May 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, paulinstl said: I want RLLD by my side anytime some crazy mofo yells at me in the subway. I am old now, I doubt I would have the same outcomes... Though, I would not have an issue biting open a throat if needed, and I could probably still execute an Angel Step in a pinch I miss the days when I could damage people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am old now, I doubt I would have the same outcomes... Though, I would not have an issue biting open a throat if needed, and I could probably still execute an Angel Step in a pinch I miss the days when I could damage people. Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, dogcows said: It wasn’t Penny’s job to do anything to anybody or for anybody on the subway that day. But in his statement (from his lawyer) he bemoaned the fact that society was “indifferent” instead of helping Mr. Neely. But for some reason he doesn’t see himself as part of society I guess, since he also did not help him. I believe that is the point the family is trying to make. I was looking for a discussion about how our society often lets down the mentally ill, and/or the family did, vs. a guy on the subway trying to get from A to B, but you stick with the lawyered-up family statement, cha CHING$#@! Pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: I’m sorry but I’m forced to ask: this guy was homeless and mentally ill and wandering the streets. So who is this “family”? Why didn’t they take care of him? I hate to be skeptical but this sure sounds like a money grab by people who apparently didn’t give a crap for this guy while he was alive. Families hands are tied in these situations. You obviously don’t know much about how this system that your kind has created works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: I was looking for a discussion about how our society often lets down the mentally ill, and/or the family did, vs. a guy on the subway trying to get from A to B, but you stick with the lawyered-up family statement, cha CHING$#@! Pathetic. Hey I’m not necessarily backing the family; I don’t know their story or if they tried to help Jordan. But the statement from the killer was 100% self-serving, and totally indifferent about the fact that he killed a man. And on that point I agree with the family’s statement. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,203 Posted May 9, 2023 5 hours ago, seafoam1 said: Excellent confirmation then. Wasn't approving your appalling comment. Not surprised you would cheer the death penalty being given for a mentally ill person just being loud on the subway (like NYers don't deal with that on a regular basis). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted May 9, 2023 13 hours ago, paulinstl said: Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance. I am good friends with a former SEAL, not going to name him because he is relatively famous, and we were chatting recently. I asked him what his best defensive tactics were, and he looked me dead in the eye and said "run away brother"......I think he was more coaching me than actually answering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted May 9, 2023 So this dangerous creature was also a pedophile. Tried to kidnap a seven year old girl. Gutterboy has his back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 10, 2023 On 5/8/2023 at 11:58 AM, GutterBoy said: It wasn't his job to end his life either Critics blast NYT article arguing adoption more traumatic than abortion ....Critics on Saturday ripped the “sheer viciousness” of a guest essay in The New York Times by Democratic consultant Elizabeth Spiers who argued that abortion is a potentially less traumatic alternative to adoption....“Adoption is often just as traumatic as the right thinks abortion is, if not more so, as a woman has to relinquish not a lump of cells but a fully formed baby she has lived with for nine months,” Spiers wrote in the piece published Friday. https://nypost.com/2021/12/04/nyt-guest-essay-argues-adoption-more-traumatic-than-abortion/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 10, 2023 On 5/8/2023 at 12:43 PM, dogcows said: It wasn’t Penny’s job to do anything to anybody or for anybody on the subway that day. But in his statement (from his lawyer) he bemoaned the fact that society was “indifferent” instead of helping Mr. Neely. But for some reason he doesn’t see himself as part of society I guess, since he also did not help him. I believe that is the point the family is trying to make. "This is what he was doing. He was shouting that he was hungry, that he was thirsty, and he had little to live for. Hungry, thirsty, and little to live for. Where was the humanity of anyone that was on that train?! I would have given him money! I would have tried to give him food! I would have tried to help! This is someone in need, in desperate need......May I make a quick suggestion? New York City has the highest police budget in our entire country. I think it's something like $5 billion. How about taking a billion dollars of that money, Whoopi, and.... get them the mental health services that they need?" - Sunny Hostin, The View How New York Became the Democrats’ Weak Link ....On Tuesday, as results from the midterms came in, Democrats were pleased to see that a predicted red wave had not come to pass. That is, with one exception: in the bright blue state of New York. So far, Republicans have taken ten of New York’s twenty-six congressional districts, flipping four seats away from Democrats. The significance of this number can’t be overstated in an election in which Republicans needed to flip only five seats, nationwide, in order to take control of the House of Representatives. Eric Lach, a staff writer at The New Yorker, joins Tyler Foggatt to discuss the legacy of Andrew Cuomo, the state’s redistricting saga, and how the Republicans secured this unlikely electoral victory. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/politics-and-more/how-new-york-became-the-democrats-weak-link ****** New York is a clear hard Blue stronghold. The public policies in NY come from hard Blue. The public administration pathway is hard Blue. Only recently in the last midterms did a lot of districts turn over, if only because the current Democratic Party is a complete disaster zone right now. Is Penny to blame for the "indifference" towards Jordan Neely? He doesn't make public policy. He doesn't enforce the public administration. That's all Team Blue in the dense major city sprawls. Sunny Hostin, a woke zealot, says what she would have done, but it's just empty virtue signaling. You criticize "indifference" without admitting the overall context of who is exactly in charge in New York. Hostin is representative of tone deaf wealthy "limousine liberals" that more and more every day New Yorkers are beginning to despise. No one actually believes she would have got down on her knees to help someone like Neely. This isn't complicated, in all of recorded human history, when governments refuse to enforce basic civil order, some type of "ad hoc" surrogate system will emerge. People are not just going to lay down and roll over and die because Team Blue wants to abandon working class people to be massacred. Obtuse zealots like you seem to enjoy running open purity tests on why the average rank and file person doesn't just stand there helpless to be gutted and laid on the Altar Of Woke. Team Blue won't do enforce civil order, then someone else will. You'll say that's not their job. And technically speaking, it's NOT THEIR MANDATE AND DUTY. But the part you conveniently ignore is that working class people are sick of being abandoned by Team Blue policies and just aren't going to stand around and be victims to satisfy your unhinged fringe leftism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted May 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said: Altar Of Woke. I can see you are a very serious person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted May 10, 2023 All of Buffalo should of been in that choke hold. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 10, 2023 Do nothing and it’s hard to look at yourself in the mirror. Take issue and you get jumped or if you get the upper hand you are a racist. No win situation. Welcome to America in 2023. And some of you clowns keep it going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted May 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: Do nothing and it’s hard to look at yourself in the mirror. Take issue and you get jumped or if you get the upper hand you are a racist. No win situation. Welcome to America in 2023. And some of you clowns keep it going. It’s all in right wingers imagination. Socio economics is the reason. Because poor people can’t teach their kids to be decent. It’s impossible. He was hungry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rosie O'Donnell 20 Posted May 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It’s all in right wingers imagination. Socio economics is the reason. Because poor people can’t teach their kids to be decent. It’s impossible. He was hungry. He's a savage ape, they can't be tamed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted May 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Rosie O'Donnell said: He's a savage ape, they can't be tamed. Perhaps he can move into a homeless shelter next door to where dogcows lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted May 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Voltaire said: Perhaps he can move into a homeless shelter next door to where dogcow lives. All of Buffalo is a homeless shelter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted May 11, 2023 Looks like Penny will be charged tomorrow. I am very much opposed to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites