The Question That Remains Unanswered...

[jonmx 2,424]

5 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

You are making a fair point about Bill Clinton and his situation,  but it needs context. 

The Clinton situation happened in 2012. The PRA was amended in 2014.  ( Though a fair distinction is that amended PRA is still very vague in some areas)

There are some very large legal questions in this case and scandal. The way the Espionage Act is being weaponized here ( and it is, no doubt, being weaponized, I don't see how anyone can dispute that at this point) does come in conflict with the PRA. 

If Trump prevails legally, it will only happen through SCOTUS. And only likely on the grounds that the Espionage Act is, in itself, actually a violation of the current Constitution. This dovetails into some actual First Amendment issues. 

In effect, Trump only clears legally because of a failure of the PRA, not by his own innocence. If the recordings exist as has been claimed and stated, with no other context, then Trump has given the prosecution all they need to establish intent. Which is incredibly hard to do otherwise. 

Legally speaking, put on my lawyer hat for a second, Trump is totally f**ked here. Certainly something else could emerge. Some other critical context could find the light of day but I would say it's close to a done deal here. 

If SCOTUS bails Trump out, it will only give ammo for the Obama/Biden/Tanden regime to try to use the activist MSM to go into a frenzy against the FedSoc Conservative Catholics on the Court. In effect, Trump isn't just dragging himself into the jackpot, he's risking the lives of Clarence Thomas, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney Barrett. There is no doubt in my mind that Merrick Garland and the DNC would be more than happy to see some Conservative Catholics on existing SCOTUS get openly picked off. There is no way to reload the Court without a resignation or death. And it only matters if the sitting POTUS is a Democrat at the time. 

There is close to no practical functional legal defense for Trump here in this specific situation and scandal. What does exist risks the Conservative majority in SCOTUS. Risks their very lives. 

jon, I respect you, I always have. I know you've stood alone many times against the radicals. And you know I lean Conservative and will punish the radical left at any turn when warranted. I'm telling you there is close to no escape here. Trump, legally speaking, is in the jackpot. If there was something feasible and high percentage to work in his favor, I'd tell you. 

I think a lot of the evidence collected, especially the evidence obtained by strong-arming his lawyers into breaking their lawyer-client privilege, will be thrown out.   The idea this rises to Espionage is crazy.  Drain the swamp use to sound like a silly slogan, but what has transpired in recent years convinces me otherwise. 

The problem is not in Congress, but in the massive bureaucracies which have gotten out of control and the judicial branch which is largely going along with it.  The Supreme Court may be the only thing which can reign it in.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Why did Trump return anything?

 

 

 

It's common knowledge in professional politics that SCOTUS Kavanaugh is essentially someone who will use his power and station to lure in young attractive female lawyers into his sphere. Probably to try to have sex with them. This is NOT a secret.  Does that affirm or discredit previous claims against him, even those decades ago? Can't say for certain. 

I don't have a daughter. If I did and she wanted to be a lawyer and she was considered generally attractive, I wouldn't let her within 10 thousand feet of Kavanaugh. 

That being said, just because it's likely Kavanaugh is a total d0uchebag in real life and in his personal life, it doesn't mean it's OK for Merrick Garland to basically enable the pathway to get him or any other Conservative Catholic on SCOTUS to get assassinated. And that's exactly what happened. Whatever the bad blood between Garland against Mitch McConnell and the GOP, you can't just leave current SCOTUS out there as targets. 

Amy Coney Barrett has no scandal whatsoever. She has also taken in several children, not of her own bloodline, to adopt them and give them a home. She was impossible to dispute as a legitimate SCOTUS candidate and her bona fides and hard vetting came back clean. She is also likely the most technically skilled jurist on current SCOTUS, despite her relatively young age at appointment. 

She and her children do not deserve to be killed over any of this. 

Trump and his stupidity and self inflicted mess makes it easier for her to be hurt or assassinated by fringe lunatic radicals. 

That the DNC and Team Blue HQ and Obama/ Biden regime persist in endless political persecution makes it easier to use the activist MSM to enable and incite a fringe radical lunatic to try to hurt or assassinate her or massacre her family. 

This is spiraling out of control. Those of you that hate Trump, it's not as simple as just going after Trump. Other people are being dragged into the cross fire here. If Trump is guilty, then convict him and put him in prison. I don't have a problem with that. But many of you radical leftists here don't seem to really acknowledge the potential bloodshed otherwise. 

Real people are going to start dying soon. There will likely be an open civil war. It's not what I want, but the momentum is there. It's undeniable at this point. 

Going after Trump at all costs is going to create fallout that some of you don't see or will refuse to see. But it's going to happen. It's going to cost A LOT. It's going to cost your children A LOT. I'm not defending Trump on these documents. I'm the single Conservative voice here who is really unpacking why this current situation is indefensible. But so is the response by Team Blue. This is a massive overreach and bad for functional democracy. 

Some of you are celebrating the process in which it's easier for your children to die. If you justify the political persecution of Trump to these ends, not just this current scandal, you are justifying all of them. It's a machine that won't stop. You and your kid are next. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 minute ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

It's common knowledge in professional politics that SCOTUS Kavanaugh is essentially someone who will use his power and station to lure in young attractive female lawyers into his sphere. Probably to try to have sex with them. This is NOT a secret.  Does that affirm or discredit previous claims against him, even those decades ago? Can't say for certain. 

I don't have a daughter. If I did and she wanted to be a lawyer and she was considered generally attractive, I wouldn't let her within 10 thousand feet of Kavanaugh. 

That being said, just because it's likely Kavanaugh is a total d0uchebag in real life and in his personal life, it doesn't mean it's OK for Merrick Garland to basically enable the pathway to get him or any other Conservative Catholic on SCOTUS to get assassinated. And that's exactly what happened. Whatever the bad blood between Garland against Mitch McConnell and the GOP, you can't just leave current SCOTUS out there as targets. 

Amy Coney Barrett has no scandal whatsoever. She has also taken in several children, not of her own bloodline, to adopt them and give them a home. She was impossible to dispute as a legitimate SCOTUS candidate and her bona fides and hard vetting came back clean. She is also likely the most technically skilled jurist on current SCOTUS, despite her relatively young age at appointment. 

She and her children do not deserve to be killed over any of this. 

Trump and his stupidity and self inflicted mess makes it easier for her to be hurt or assassinated by fringe lunatic radicals. 

That the DNC and Team Blue HQ and Obama/ Biden regime persist in endless political persecution makes it easier to use the activist MSM to enable and incite a fringe radical lunatic to try to hurt or assassinate her or massacre her family. 

This is spiraling out of control. Those of you that hate Trump, it's not as simple as just going after Trump. Other people are being dragged into the cross fire here. If Trump is guilty, then convict him and put him in prison. I don't have a problem with that. But many of you radical leftists here don't seem to really acknowledge the potential bloodshed otherwise. 

Real people are going to start dying soon. There will likely be an open civil war. It's not what I want, but the momentum is there. It's undeniable at this point. 

Going after Trump at all costs is going to create fallout that some of you don't see or will refuse to see. But it's going to happen. It's going to cost A LOT. It's going to cost your children A LOT. I'm not defending Trump on these documents. I'm the single Conservative voice here who is really unpacking why this current situation is indefensible. But so is the response by Team Blue. This is a massive overreach and bad for functional democracy. 

Some of you are celebrating the process in which it's easier for your children to die. If you justify the political persecution of Trump to these ends, not just this current scandal, you are justifying all of them. It's a machine that won't stop. You and your kid are next. 

This is a rambling mess, sorry. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

40 minutes ago, jonmx said:

That was not what thr Clinton sock drawer ruling said.  Simply by taking them, they were his.   Lots of wishful thinking by the deep state cheerleaders, but in a court which respects the constitution and equal treatment, this case will not go far.  

I had never heard of this sock case or how it relates to Trump’s thing. The documents Trump kept were government records related to self defense, with security classification marks clearly marked on them, asked for by the government and deliberately kept.

Good luck with that argument, you never know. 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

just can’t understand the facts around Trump

 

 

How do you know they are facts?

[thegeneral 2,889]

4 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

How do you know they are facts?

We know Trump had these items, we know he was asked to give them back, we know he didn’t, we know they raided his house to get them, he is on tape talking about them not being classified and he used to be able to do it. This is off the top of my head. There’s probably a bunch more shet

We’ll see what happens! I think he’ll get off or delay it forever, etc. 

 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

We know Trump had these items, we know he was asked to give them back, we know he didn’t, we know they raided his house to get them, he is on tape talking about them not being classified and he used to be able to do it. This is off the top of my head. There’s probably a bunch more shet

We’ll see what happens! I think he’ll get off or delay it forever, etc. 

 

I'm just saying ... in 2023...we have no idea on what the facts are.  We only know what we are told. 

 

We we told that the fact of the matter is, that the protests were peaceful.   Our eyes saw sh!t being burned down and destroyed and people getting the fock beat out of them. 

"fact checkers" came back and said "Yep, they were peaceful".  So I guess, by golly they were peaceful.  Who knew!?

We were told that covid was killing everyone.  Yet, in 2020/21....the total number of deaths remained the same, its just that very few died of anything else.  Somehow, it was covid that did it, and they eluded the other things, by golly. 

What are the facts?

[thegeneral 2,889]

Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

In 2023...we have no idea on what the facts are.  We only know what we are told. 

 

We we told that the fact of the matter is, that the protests were peaceful.   Our eyes saw sh!t being burned down and destroyed and people getting the fock beat out of them. 

"fact checkers" came back and said "Yep, they were peaceful".  So I guess, by golly they were peaceful.  Who knew!?

What that I listed is incorrect? 

 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What that I listed is incorrect? 

 

At the time I said that, you hadn't listed any facts.  When I said that, you had only said this: 

"You either don’t want to or just can’t understand the facts around Trump and this docs case as it has been presented".

 

I'm just saying, all of the facts around this....we don't know if they are facts. Different reporters are reporting different "facts" on the same thing. 

How do we know which are fact?  

Do I believe Person A or Person B?

I'm saying...with anything...we don't know know what is fact when we get information delivered to us via 3rd party. 

There is "fact" somewhere, but just because Person A or Person B says "The fact is..." or "Actually...." doesn't mean we are getting facts.  We get "fact" that fits agenda, unfortunately. 

 I don't believe much anymore unless I see it with my eyes. 

 

[thegeneral 2,889]

Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

At the time I said that, you hadn't listed any facts.  When I said that, you had only said this: 

"You either don’t want to or just can’t understand the facts around Trump and this docs case as it has been presented".

 

I'm just saying, all of the facts around this....we don't know if they are facts. Different reporters are reporting different "facts" on the same thing. 

How do we know which are fact?  

Do I believe Person A or Person B?

 

Ok to that comment…that issue was TB saying this is exactly what Biden and Pence did. It is not. 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Ok to that comment…that issue was TB saying this is exactly what Biden and Pence did. It is not. 

How do you know? Are you going by info delivered to you via a news organization?  Or were you there? 

[thegeneral 2,889]

4 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

How do you know? Are you going by info delivered to you via a news organization?  Or were you there? 

Trump’s defense is I was ok to have these documents.

He’s not saying he didn’t have them, that they asked to get them back, that he returned some, that they asked for all of them, had to come get them, etc.

[nobody 2,557]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

Yeah, you don't care but you're posting constantly in this thread. 

I care about the topic.  I don't give a shìt if Trump or Hillary or indicted.  

I'm more interested in the fact that an administration is using the DOJ to attack a political rival.  

Trump sucks.  Hillary sucks.  Biden sucks.  I wish they'd all go bankrupt and become homeless.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

14 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Well then you should accept what he did here was focked up and not compare it to what others did. It is not the same. It comes across as excusing it. It becomes the deep state, or he’s the victim, or he’s a danger to the system so they are trying to get rid of him, etc.

Like I said, as long as Obama, Hillary, and Biden are in prison first, I'm fine with Trump going to.  Until then, stfu, because otherwise it comes across as you only care if the other side does it and not yours.

[thegeneral 2,889]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Like I said, as long as Obama, Hillary, and Biden are in prison first, I'm fine with Trump going to.  Until then, stfu, because otherwise it comes across as you only care if the other side does it and not yours.

You left Pence out of your rant about fairness and partisanship

I guess you don’t get why Trump is in trouble. It’s fine.

What did Obama do now?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You left Pence out of your rant about fairness and partisanship

I guess you don’t get why Trump is in trouble. It’s fine.

What did Obama do now?

Pence can go too, fock him.

I guess you don't care that politicians are going after political opponents for the same things they're doing.

 

Again, you think that it's only Republican's or Trump doing things, when it's ALL OF THEM.  You're just in denial.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

11 hours ago, nobody said:

I care about the topic.  I don't give a shìt if Trump or Hillary or indicted.  

I'm more interested in the fact that an administration is using the DOJ to attack a political rival.  

Trump sucks.  Hillary sucks.  Biden sucks.  I wish they'd all go bankrupt and become homeless.

This is the correct answer. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Pence can go too, fock him.

I guess you don't care that politicians are going after political opponents for the same things they're doing.

They didn’t do the same thing.

Here’s Obama

He’s even lost Pence

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They didn’t do the same thing.

Here’s Obama

He’s even lost Pence

You are such a sucker to think one politician is more credible than another.  LOL

[thegeneral 2,889]

16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You are such a sucker to think one politician is more credible than another.  LOL

Notice how you never explain why Trump’s actions are the same and just fall into “they are all guilty”. 

They are not in this case.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Notice how you never explain why Trump’s actions are the same and just fall into “they are all guilty”. 

They are not in this case.

No, you're right... all Democrats are perfect and all Republican's are evil.

[thegeneral 2,889]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No, you're right... all Democrats are perfect and all Republican's are evil.

Dems screw up stuff all the time.

In this case Biden focked up having the docs. It was very embarrassing but he did what responsible people do and followed process and shut up about it while it happened. 

Trump did this and you apparently don’t get the difference. Now we get more of his lies and bullcrap and people testing themselves in knots defending it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Dems screw up stuff all the time.

In this case Biden focked up having the docs. It was very embarrassing but he did what responsible people do and followed process and shut up about it while it happened. 

Trump did this and you apparently don’t get the difference. Now we get more of his lies and bullcrap and people testing themselves in knots defending it.

You see a difference because you trust Biden (for reasons you'll never be able to justify), and not Trump.  I don't see a difference because I don't trust either one.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,919]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You see a difference because you trust Biden (for reasons you'll never be able to justify), and not Trump.  I don't see a difference because I don't trust either one.

Trump is grotesque.  But he’s a great father and built things. Biden has built nothing and is a horrible father.  He’s more gross.  

[thegeneral 2,889]

18 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You see a difference because you trust Biden (for reasons you'll never be able to justify), and not Trump.  I don't see a difference because I don't trust either one.

What does trust Biden have to do with this? The Fed’s are the ones pursuing this issue with Trump. Is your issue with them?

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Dems screw up stuff all the time.

In this case Biden focked up having the docs. It was very embarrassing but he did what responsible people do and followed process and shut up about it while it happened. 

Trump did this and you apparently don’t get the difference. Now we get more of his lies and bullcrap and people testing themselves in knots defending it.

 

You are being intentionally obtuse on purpose. You are also running cheap purity tests and you don't understand the practical legal mechanics of this case. 

The issue with Biden and Hillary Clinton, and this would even drag in Obama and Bill Clinton, regarding classified documents or records, will lend towards part of Trump's legal defense regarding selective prosecution. 

Is there is a strong pathway for that? No, not based on the information released so far. Part of the strategy is to get it in front of the jury to try to get a hung jury. They just need a single holdout. You want to color them with the "theme" of the pure outright witch hunt for Trump for the last 8 years ( And to be fair, it's undeniable once you add in the Durham Report)  That being said, Jack Smith just needs one of these 37 charges to stick to Trump to put him in prison. 

Everything with Joe Biden, the Clintons and Obama with documents and records is all technically legally relevant. You appear to want to rationalize that away. Well since Trump has no real functional legal defense for any of this, he's going to have to throw out the entire kitchen sink here in desperation. That Biden and the Clintons and Obama have to be legally relevant here is PROOF OF LIFE THAT TRUMP HAS VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF A PRACTICAL AND FUNCTIONAL LEGAL DEFENSE.

You are blindly running a purity test, that if it was true, would actually HELP TRUMP. You are literally helping Trump with your own words. Because you don't understand the law and all you want is some cheap partisan jabs, you don't even realize you are doing it. 

The collision course of this case rests in two major areas

1) Which of three major elements can get to the jury first.  Neera Tanden wants a hung jury. She wants Trump to be "free" so that it energizes the Team Blue base. That it was some white racist MAGA sleeper on the jury who got Trump off. That's the ideal "narrative" for the activist MSM. As insane as that sounds, a Trump conviction hurts the entire DNC for the 2024 general election. Trump and his allies want a guilty verdict where the appeals takes it to SCOTUS and they rule the Espionage Act violates the Constitution. That way Trump can play the victim, again, and offload all of the heat onto SCOTUS. Doing so will likely trigger some fringe lunatics to try to pick off a Conservative on SCOTUS. Trump doesn't care though. DeSantis wants Trump convicted. It's his best pathway to win the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries. 

2) Who can get to Walt Nauta's family first. This guy is the smallest of pawns of all pawns in modern political history. The Military Industrial Complex prefers DeSantis over Trump or Biden for POTUS 2024, but if they had to choose from an ugly set of choices, they'd prefer Biden over Trump. Trump is not a warhawk. There are also foreign interests that want either Trump or Biden to win or not. Putin wants Trump to win. It gives him a chance at an exit from the war and save face. Also he wants the weapons funding spigot turned off from the US to Ukraine.  Taiwan wants the Ukraine War to last forever ( Thus for Biden) . Germany would prefer Trump win for energy considerations. Put it this way, there is a whole list of major players, with unlimited budgets and state security intelligence services and apparatus, that all have some incentive to have Walt Nauta live or die because he has some real bearing on the outcome of 2024 POTUS. And if they can't reach him, they'll go after his family. 

If Nauta flips, someone goes to kill his family. If Nauta doesn't flip, someone goes to kill his family. He's the true definition of pure cannon fodder in this scandal. 

Nauta is being held close to the vest to Trump. Right now he's like Fredo in that boat with Al Neri behind him. He knows he's not there to fish. He knows praying isn't going to help him. One bad look, one bad impression, one wrong word, and it's going to be Connie Corleone trying to calm everyone and serve up the lie that Fredo must have drowned. I don't feel bad for Nauta though. You don't align yourself with someone who this much of a pure loose cannon. 

The best result for all of America, I mean real every day working class people is if Trump is convicted. While he was persecuted in other cases and those impeachments, this one here has real legal teeth. DeSantis wins the primary, takes POTUS, and the country moves on from Biden and Trump for good. The alternative is basically open civil war.  More firearms were sold in the past three years than at any other point in recorded American history. We are still in the back end of a worldwide pandemic. We are facing the risk of pure economic and social collapse. 

Some of you like to see this all like a "Team Sport" with non tangible stakes involved. Open civil war in this country over political divide will eventually bleed over into real everyday people. Some of that might head towards you and your children. 

No one should have to die for that creepy sniffer Joe Biden. No one should have to die for that idiot grifter Trump.

Open civil war will happen in your streets. In your towns. In your neighborhoods. It will impact basic social services, and even all the daily things we all take for granted in day to day survival. 

This is not the hill I want to die on. Some of you apparently think this is like some weekly sitcom that won't ever touch your real life.  It's an unfortunate reality of human nature. To deny the inevitable right up until you have to see your neighbors lined up against a wall. When an APC is running over your children, they won't give a single damn who you voted for in the last election. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

12 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

You are being intentionally obtuse on purpose. You are also running cheap purity tests and you don't understand the practical legal mechanics of this case. 

The issue with Biden and Hillary Clinton, and this would even drag in Obama and Bill Clinton, regarding classified documents or records, will lend towards part of Trump's legal defense regarding selective prosecution. 

Is there is a strong pathway for that? No, not based on the information released so far. Part of the strategy is to get it in front of the jury to try to get a hung jury. They just need a single holdout. You want to color them with the "theme" of the pure outright witch hunt for Trump for the last 8 years ( And to be fair, it's undeniable once you add in the Durham Report)  That being said, Jack Smith just needs one of these 37 charges to stick to Trump to put him in prison. 

Everything with Joe Biden, the Clintons and Obama with documents and records is all technically legally relevant. You appear to want to rationalize that away. Well since Trump has no real functional legal defense for any of this, he's going to have to throw out the entire kitchen sink here in desperation. That Biden and the Clintons and Obama have to be legally relevant here is PROOF OF LIFE THAT TRUMP HAS VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF A PRACTICAL AND FUNCTIONAL LEGAL DEFENSE.

You are blindly running a purity test, that if it was true, would actually HELP TRUMP. You are literally helping Trump with your own words. Because you don't understand the law and all you want is some cheap partisan jabs, you don't even realize you are doing it. 

The collision course of this case rests in two major areas

1) Which of three major elements can get to the jury first.  Neera Tanden wants a hung jury. She wants Trump to be "free" so that it energizes the Team Blue base. That it was some white racist MAGA sleeper on the jury who got Trump off. That's the ideal "narrative" for the activist MSM. As insane as that sounds, a Trump conviction hurts the entire DNC for the 2024 general election. Trump and his allies want a guilty verdict where the appeals takes it to SCOTUS and they rule the Espionage Act violates the Constitution. That way Trump can play the victim, again, and offload all of the heat onto SCOTUS. Doing so will likely trigger some fringe lunatics to try to pick off a Conservative on SCOTUS. Trump doesn't care though. DeSantis wants Trump convicted. It's his best pathway to win the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries. 

2) Who can get to Walt Nauta's family first. This guy is the smallest of pawns of all pawns in modern political history. The Military Industrial Complex prefers DeSantis over Trump or Biden for POTUS 2024, but if they had to choose from an ugly set of choices, they'd prefer Biden over Trump. Trump is not a warhawk. There are also foreign interests that want either Trump or Biden to win or not. Putin wants Trump to win. It gives him a chance at an exit from the war and save face. Also he wants the weapons funding spigot turned off from the US to Ukraine.  Taiwan wants the Ukraine War to last forever ( Thus for Biden) . Germany would prefer Trump win for energy considerations. Put it this way, there is a whole list of major players, with unlimited budgets and state security intelligence services and apparatus, that all have some incentive to have Walt Nauta live or die because he has some real bearing on the outcome of 2024 POTUS. And if they can't reach him, they'll go after his family. 

If Nauta flips, someone goes to kill his family. If Nauta doesn't flip, someone goes to kill his family. He's the true definition of pure cannon fodder in this scandal. 

Nauta is being held close to the vest to Trump. Right now he's like Fredo in that boat with Al Neri behind him. He knows he's not there to fish. He knows praying isn't going to help him. One bad look, one bad impression, one wrong word, and it's going to be Connie Corleone trying to calm everyone and serve up the lie that Fredo must have drowned. I don't feel bad for Nauta though. You don't align yourself with someone who this much of a pure loose cannon. 

The best result for all of America, I mean real every day working class people is if Trump is convicted. While he was persecuted in other cases and those impeachments, this one here has real legal teeth. DeSantis wins the primary, takes POTUS, and the country moves on from Biden and Trump for good. The alternative is basically open civil war.  More firearms were sold in the past three years than at any other point in recorded American history. We are still in the back end of a worldwide pandemic. We are facing the risk of pure economic and social collapse. 

Some of you like to see this all like a "Team Sport" with non tangible stakes involved. Open civil war in this country over political divide will eventually bleed over into real everyday people. Some of that might head towards you and your children. 

No one should have to die for that creepy sniffer Joe Biden. No one should have to die for that idiot grifter Trump.

Open civil war will happen in your streets. In your towns. In your neighborhoods. It will impact basic social services, and even all the daily things we all take for granted in day to day survival. 

This is not the hill I want to die on. Some of you apparently think this is like some weekly sitcom that won't ever touch your real life.  It's an unfortunate reality of human nature. To deny the inevitable right up until you have to see your neighbors lined up against a wall. When an APC is running over your children, they won't give a single damn who you voted for in the last election. 

This all sounds bizarre.

I believe in our system and am not worried about an impending civil war.

[gas 128]

21 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

I'm just saying ... in 2023...we have no idea on what the facts are.  We only know what we are told. 

 

We we told that the fact of the matter is, that the protests were peaceful.   Our eyes saw sh!t being burned down and destroyed and people getting the fock beat out of them. 

"fact checkers" came back and said "Yep, they were peaceful".  So I guess, by golly they were peaceful.  Who knew!?

We were told that covid was killing everyone.  Yet, in 2020/21....the total number of deaths remained the same, its just that very few died of anything else.  Somehow, it was covid that did it, and they eluded the other things, by golly. 

What are the facts?

Yeah dude, about that: FOX "News" used footage of riots in Greece while reporting on BLM protests.

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This all sounds bizarre.

I believe in our system and am not worried about an impending civil war.

 

 

 

Step 1 - Learn something

Step 2 - It's your free speech, but your constant gaslighting is actually pretty tragic. You aren't good at it. If you are going to go to the effort to try to gaslight people, at least do it right. You're a bad faith actor and you are incompetent at being a bad faith actor. Whatever you choose to do in this life, be actually skilled at it. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

32 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

Step 1 - Learn something

Step 2 - It's your free speech, but your constant gaslighting is actually pretty tragic. You aren't good at it. If you are going to go to the effort to try to gaslight people, at least do it right. You're a bad faith actor and you are incompetent at being a bad faith actor. Whatever you choose to do in this life, be actually skilled at it. 

I have no clue what you are talking about here, don’t read half of your posts when they are long. I almost certainly won’t watch any YouTube vids that are posted here. Sorry.

I appreciate you believe this is very important and by all means continue to post and respond to me if you like, that’s your choice given the information I have provided you here. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

15 hours ago, thegeneral said:

What does trust Biden have to do with this? The Fed’s are the ones pursuing this issue with Trump. Is your issue with them?

You don't think Biden's administration set the wheel's in motion on this?  Seriously?

[thegeneral 2,889]

23 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You don't think Biden's administration set the wheel's in motion on this?  Seriously?

Dark Brandon at work, eh? 

I was talking about the JD is the one presenting all the charges against Trump. They didn’t against Pence. That’s because what they did in this area is not the same. Do you understand that?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

28 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Dark Brandon at work, eh? 

I was talking about the JD is the one presenting all the charges against Trump. They didn’t against Pence. That’s because what they did in this area is not the same. Do you understand that?

Here's what I understand... you're clueless and have your head in the sand on this.

[Mike Honcho 5,093]

The question is MOOT!

[thegeneral 2,889]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here's what I understand... you're clueless and have your head in the sand on this.

It’s the opposite. You have bought in hook line and sinker to this deep state stuff.

Trump focked up is pretty much all you need to know here. He’s a mess.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s the opposite. You have bought in hook line and sinker to this deep state stuff.

Trump focked up is pretty much all you need to know here. He’s a mess.

Says the guy who supports the party that once was against the government, but all for it now.  What a sucker. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Says the guy who supports the party that once was against the government, but all for it now.  What a sucker. 

Change the subject I see with some nonsensical line about something else.

I believe your only thing you have said about the topic at hand - Trump’s indictment - is “they all so this”. Which isn’t accurate. Sorry.

 

[thegeneral 2,889]

7 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here's what I understand... you're clueless and have your head in the sand on this.

National Review

Trump’s Former AG

Here is some of today’s commentary on this. These are very conservative people since you won’t take my view on this

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

23 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

National Review

Trump’s Former AG

Here is some of today’s commentary on this. These are very conservative people since you won’t take my view on this

Oh my god!  You've totally changed my mind!!!  

 

The ONLY REASON, any White House politician would take ANY DOCUMENTATION, is because it hides their corruption.  Nothing else.

[thegeneral 2,889]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Oh my god!  You've totally changed my mind!!!  

The ONLY REASON, any White House politician would take ANY DOCUMENTATION, is because it hides their corruption.  Nothing else.

What?

Why isn’t Pence getting the same treatment?

The issue with Trump is the actions he took.