Don’t defund police, pay them more!

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

What am I supposed to take away from this?

Nothing. I quoted you cause he’s on ignore. Just adds more context to his claim. 

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2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Nothing. I quoted you cause he’s on ignore. Just adds more context to his claim. 

Had to go back and review the posts, I now see your point.  Conservative-led localities are no better at facing down the cultural issues impeding minority groups than liberals are. 

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1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

THE most conservative city in the country, Jackson Mississippi.

Weird.  You're right, conservatives make things worse...SMH

Analysis: For second straight year, Jackson’s homicide rate ranks highest in U.S. among major cities

The Capital City edged out Memphis, New Orleans and St. Louis for deadliest city when ranked per capita

 

I don't' know where you get your info but Jacson, MS is LIBERAL>

Politics & Voting in Jackson, Mississippi (bestplaces.net)

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sorry Jackson MS

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14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Had to go back and review the posts, I now see your point.  Conservative-led localities are no better at facing down the cultural issues impeding minority groups than liberals are. 

Now he has to admit he’s a racist  

[Voltaire 5,237]

Tim's right about police pay. What cities need are more police and better training.

I still LOL @ how institutional racism always seems to be an intractable problem in places that Democrats have controlled with 80% of the vote for decades upon decades. It's supposedly a massive scourge, yet one that somehow blacks from Africa or the West Indies, who also had chattel slave ancestors, seem to have an immunity.

You'd think after 60 years of complete super-majority control of these jurisdictions, the Democrats would have found and uprooted the problem by now.

How about work hard, learn a skill, don't commit crime, don't do drugs, don't get pregnant until you are married, move to the suburbs, volunteer in your community, and vote Republican? Have they tried that? Seems to work for a lot of people, regardless of color. Seems better than blaming the police and whining about racism that happened before anyone in the working age population was born.

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6 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Now he has to admit he’s a racist  

That is not likely to happen.  I surmise that you see as clearly as I do just how often liberals demonstrate their racism in odd ways.

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On 8/16/2023 at 10:05 AM, The Real timschochet said:

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

The best reform of policing would be to completely change the hiring criteria.  Selection should be based on the same qualities one looks for in any other employee: good communication skills, pride in work-product, detail oriented, curious mindset, honesty, reliability, time management, adaptive, proactive.

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2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Tim's right about police pay. What cities need are more police and better training.

I still LOL @ how institutional racism always seems to be an intractable problem in places that Democrats have controlled with 80% of the vote for decades upon decades. It's supposedly a massive scourge, yet one that somehow blacks from Africa or the West Indies, who also had chattel slave ancestors, seem to have an immunity.

You'd think after 60 years of complete super-majority control of these jurisdictions, the Democrats would have found and uprooted the problem by now.

How about work hard, learn a skill, don't commit crime, don't do drugs, don't get pregnant until you are married, move to the suburbs, volunteer in your community, and vote Republican? Have they tried that? Seems to work for a lot of people, regardless of color. Seems better than blaming the police and whining about racism that happened before anyone in the working age population was born.

In 2019 2 unarmed black people were killed unjustifiably by cops and the cops were sent to prison for it. Just two. I'll go out on a limb and say that's a pretty good record consisering all the focking violent crime blacks create in this country. 

So basically cops put their lives on the line daily in these violent democrat run cities and are not showing barely any quick twitch killings. 

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Back to School

 

 

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9 hours ago, RLLD said:

Correct. I posted that, and your active omission of my repudiation of the conservative position I also commented on could be considered an accident, if you were not so obviously biased.  Now, lying by omission is not going to work here.  How about you stop being so childish and be an honest participant?

Dude, He uses the word "Boyo" in every third post.  He IS a child.

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The Trump administration has cut a half billion $$$ in crime fighting grants for no reason.

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The Trump administration has cut a half billion $$$ in crime fighting grants for no reason.

Big win for states rights.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Big win for states rights.

The states want the money, not to mention their citizens are paying the taxes.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The states want the money, not to mention their citizens are paying the taxes.

Of course they want it.... and no, their citizens aren't paying for it.  The federal government does not tax people or states, to award it back to other states to use that money for police protection. 

What the Federal government is doing, is forcing states who want to avoid using their tax for police enforcement/protection, to not be able to do that anymore.  So, states who want to continue on that route without federal help, they can. 

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The life of a grant dollar.

 

The dollar is sent to the Feds.  We ignore the costs of sending it.

The Feds receive the dollar in departments with paid employees.  The dollar is now 98 cents after that overhead.

The dollar is now assigned to a grant program.  Setting up the prameters of that program, to benefit the very state(s) from which the dollar came, comes at a cost in person hours.  The dollar is now worth 96 cents.

The availability of the grant is published to the very states who sent the dollar.  That costs money.  The dollar is now worth 95 cents.

The state uses a grants specialist to apply to get their money back.  That specialist usually has to work with several departments and agencies to obtain the information needed to apply for the grant.  This is a time consuming process, labor intensive.  The grant dollar now has 90 cents remaining.

The grant is processed by the Feds and some approved, some not.  That effort reduces the dollar to 88 cents of remaining value.

The state is notified of the grant award.

Prior to recieving the grant dollar the State has to hire the employees contemplated by the grant.  Their salaries will be paid by the grant dollar though their training and benefits fall to the state and their continued employment after the gvrant expires will be on the state as they will be vested civil servants.

The grant dollars flow, 88 cents on the dollar which left the state.  They fall short of covering the costs of the programs, but they seeded programs.  The recipients now spend additional dollars documenting the use of the grant dollars and the granting federal agency spends effort auditing the documentation.  There is cost, of course, but the dollar is already programmed fully so that cost comes out of existing agency budgets.  The actual value to the State all said and done is a dollar is sent out and maybe 80 cents are recieved back.

 

The real irony is that the States know their own needs better than the Feds.  The Fed grants are intended to be feathers in re-election caps of politicians.  The States who may have spent that money more wisely do not get to address their priorities, they are addressing Federal politician priorities.  The program allows politicians and bureaucrats to congratulate themselves on what they have done which is waste other peoples money and take credit for the work of others.  It is stupid, inefficient, and self-serving of the politicans and bureacrats but it all ill serves the citizens.  

 

Less government and local government is better government.

 

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9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The life of a grant dollar.

 

The dollar is sent to the Feds.  We ignore the costs of sending it.

The Feds receive the dollar in departments with paid employees.  The dollar is now 98 cents after that overhead.

The dollar is now assigned to a grant program.  Setting up the prameters of that program, to benefit the very state(s) from which the dollar came, comes at a cost in person hours.  The dollar is now worth 96 cents.

The availability of the grant is published to the very states who sent the dollar.  That costs money.  The dollar is now worth 95 cents.

The state uses a grants specialist to apply to get their money back.  That specialist usually has to work with several departments and agencies to obtain the information needed to apply for the grant.  This is a time consuming process, labor intensive.  The grant dollar now has 90 cents remaining.

The grant is processed by the Feds and some approved, some not.  That effort reduces the dollar to 88 cents of remaining value.

The state is notified of the grant award.

Prior to recieving the grant dollar the State has to hire the employees contemplated by the grant.  Their salaries will be paid by the grant dollar though their training and benefits fall to the state and their continued employment after the gvrant expires will be on the state as they will be vested civil servants.

The grant dollars flow, 88 cents on the dollar which left the state.  They fall short of covering the costs of the programs, but they seeded programs.  The recipients now spend additional dollars documenting the use of the grant dollars and the granting federal agency spends effort auditing the documentation.  There is cost, of course, but the dollar is already programmed fully so that cost comes out of existing agency budgets.  The actual value to the State all said and done is a dollar is sent out and maybe 80 cents are recieved back.

 

The real irony is that the States know their own needs better than the Feds.  The Fed grants are intended to be feathers in re-election caps of politicians.  The Staes who mayaahve spent that money more wisely do not get to address their priorities, they are addressing Federal politician priorities.  The program allows politicians and bureaucrats to congratulate themselves on what they have done which is waste other peoples money and take credit for the work of others.  It is stupid, inefficient, and self-serving of the politicans and bureacrats but it all ill serves the citizens.  

 

Less government and local government is better government.

 

California as a state is over $500B in debt. 

Use the public sector more. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

10 million a state. BFD. Stop wasting money on community outreach BS. 

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15 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

The life of a grant dollar.

 

The dollar is sent to the Feds.  We ignore the costs of sending it.

The Feds receive the dollar in departments with paid employees.  The dollar is now 98 cents after that overhead.

The dollar is now assigned to a grant program.  Setting up the prameters of that program, to benefit the very state(s) from which the dollar came, comes at a cost in person hours.  The dollar is now worth 96 cents.

The availability of the grant is published to the very states who sent the dollar.  That costs money.  The dollar is now worth 95 cents.

The state uses a grants specialist to apply to get their money back.  That specialist usually has to work with several departments and agencies to obtain the information needed to apply for the grant.  This is a time consuming process, labor intensive.  The grant dollar now has 90 cents remaining.

The grant is processed by the Feds and some approved, some not.  That effort reduces the dollar to 88 cents of remaining value.

The state is notified of the grant award.

Prior to recieving the grant dollar the State has to hire the employees contemplated by the grant.  Their salaries will be paid by the grant dollar though their training and benefits fall to the state and their continued employment after the gvrant expires will be on the state as they will be vested civil servants.

The grant dollars flow, 88 cents on the dollar which left the state.  They fall short of covering the costs of the programs, but they seeded programs.  The recipients now spend additional dollars documenting the use of the grant dollars and the granting federal agency spends effort auditing the documentation.  There is cost, of course, but the dollar is already programmed fully so that cost comes out of existing agency budgets.  The actual value to the State all said and done is a dollar is sent out and maybe 80 cents are recieved back.

 

The real irony is that the States know their own needs better than the Feds.  The Fed grants are intended to be feathers in re-election caps of politicians.  The States who may have spent that money more wisely do not get to address their priorities, they are addressing Federal politician priorities.  The program allows politicians and bureaucrats to congratulate themselves on what they have done which is waste other peoples money and take credit for the work of others.  It is stupid, inefficient, and self-serving of the politicans and bureacrats but it all ill serves the citizens.  

 

Less government and local government is better government.

 

This is the exact example of government waste that Trump & Musk are/were trying to fix, and all they get from the public, is hate.