A center-left article on Vivek

[WatsonRules 46]

Interesting takes

Dude seems really smart, unsure of himself in some instances, but generally pretty confident about his ideas.

A few things stand out as red flags and potential pain points his competition could conceivably exploit:

He voted as a 19 year old in 2004, then didn't vote for a President again until 2020. Voting is a patriotic duty, can you claim the mantle of American patriot having voted in only 20% of the elections you could have?

He has no political experience,, and although he's generating excitement among Republicans, campaigning and governing are two different things. Is the Presidency again going to be on the job training?

Pardoning Trump is going to be a hard sell to independent and swing voters.

Cozying up to conspiracy theories about January 6th and 9/11 works well with the deep base, but you start talking about government agents working the crowd on January 6th, you will be dismissed by a large segment of the voters you need.

Getting rid of some inefficient government agencies is a good idea, but what do you replace the CIA, FBI, IRS, EPA, etc with? His ideas for what to do post-these agencies are limited at best.

He's essentially a libertarian running as a Republican. Libertarians are popular at this stage of campaigns (Ron Paul, anyone?) because their fock the government stance is what people want to hear, especially when their party is not in charge. Tear it all down is not a viable governing philosophy.

 

He's worth a look, but I can't imagine that he's someone who would even be on anyone's radar in a normal election cycle without Trump.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Why is it whenever somebody says center left I immediately stop listening?

[WatsonRules 46]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

Why is it whenever somebody says center left I immediately stop listening?

Because you have a closed mind

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, WatsonRules said:

Because you have a closed mind

I feel the same about center right though it’s like the bs artists exist in that realm on both sides. McCain and Romney would be center right and I’d never vote for them

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

so if you watch the Bill Maher interview (Maher is still suffering TDS) he explains in depth about 5 mins in the removal of the FBI and Maher agrees when hes done explaining

Biden had 47 years of experience and that didnt do sh1t

as far as 9-11 "conspiracy" hes gone deep into that and its not a conspiracy what he says, its filled with facts from our own DOJ

he also doesn't think J6 was an insurrection so hes right there as well

 

[WatsonRules 46]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

so if you watch the Bill Maher interview (Maher is still suffering TDS) he explains in depth about 5 mins in the removal of the FBI and Maher agrees when hes done explaining

Biden had 47 years of experience and that didnt do sh1t

as far as 9-11 "conspiracy" hes gone deep into that and its not a conspiracy what he says, its filled with facts from our own DOJ

he also doesn't think J6 was an insurrection so hes right there as well

 

You're not the one he has to sell the ideas to.

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

35 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

Biden had 47 years of experience and that didnt do sh1t

 

 

Oh Biden did sh1t. 

But what he did is conveniently forgotten about; crime bills in the 90s, his racist comments, etc. He got rich some how being nothing but a politician for nearly 50 years. 

[jonmx 2,424]

59 minutes ago, WatsonRules said:

Interesting takes

Dude seems really smart, unsure of himself in some instances, but generally pretty confident about his ideas.

A few things stand out as red flags and potential pain points his competition could conceivably exploit:

He voted as a 19 year old in 2004, then didn't vote for a President again until 2020. Voting is a patriotic duty, can you claim the mantle of American patriot having voted in only 20% of the elections you could have?

(Voting is a choice, not a patriotic duty.  I could not vote for any of the main candidates in those elections either...Obama, McCain, Romney, and Hillary were all corrupt establishment puppets.  Trump at least was anti-establishment, but was too much of a clueless egomaniac who lacked vision of how to actually fix anything.)

He has no political experience,, and although he's generating excitement among Republicans, campaigning and governing are two different things. Is the Presidency again going to be on the job training?

Pardoning Trump is going to be a hard sell to independent and swing voters.

(Actually an easy sell as the majority know these charges are all trumped-up political nonsense, while real crimes committed by the Bidens are being swept under thr rug.)

Cozying up to conspiracy theories about January 6th and 9/11 works well with the deep base, but you start talking about government agents working the crowd on January 6th, you will be dismissed by a large segment of the voters you need.

(Only by the retards.  More Americans are waking up every day and realizing just how corrupt our government is.  More people need to talk about it on a national stage and stand up to the feigned outraged by the government media who is completely in bed with the deep state).

Getting rid of some inefficient government agencies is a good idea, but what do you replace the CIA, FBI, IRS, EPA, etc with? His ideas for what to do post-these agencies are limited at best.

(What you need is to force these organization to operate openly and rid them of an veil of secrecy they have been using for decades to abuse citizens.  Get rid of immunity and make the individuals personally liable for abuses of individual rights.   We need an oversight organization with authority to prosecute rogue employees.  Once you start putting these bastards in jail, they will straighten out and respect the Constitution.)

He's essentially a libertarian running as a Republican. Libertarians are popular at this stage of campaigns (Ron Paul, anyone?) because their fock the government stance is what people want to hear, especially when their party is not in charge. Tear it all down is not a viable governing philosophy.

(They just need to clean house of these organizations and open them up so that there are real checks and balances which makes them accountable to the people.  Take away some of the tools they have been abusing)

He's worth a look, but I can't imagine that he's someone who would even be on anyone's radar in a normal election cycle without Trump.

 

[WatsonRules 46]

The whataboutism is strong with this group.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

1 hour ago, WatsonRules said:

You're not the one he has to sell the ideas to.

Actually I am. I’m a moderate independent. You’re not the one he needs to sell the ideas. You seem to be sold on far left nonsense 

[WatsonRules 46]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Actually I am. I’m a moderate independent. You’re not the one he needs to sell the ideas. You seem to be sold on far left nonsense 

Sure you are. You're on here every day railing against Democrats because you're an independent.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

2 minutes ago, WatsonRules said:

Sure you are. You're on here every day railing against Democrats because you're an independent.

Yep I’m a moderate libertarian. And if I see extremism from the right I will rail on that too. But I haven’t seen any. As a matter of fact the right has moved closer to me over the last decade while the left has gone batshit. 
 

when In doubt I favor smaller govt and more economic America first policy. I support whoever wants to end and not get involved in wars and protect our borders. So therefore republicans are the only option 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

He got rich some how being nothing but a politician for nearly 50 years. 

Don't all politicians?

[WatsonRules 46]

9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yep I’m a moderate libertarian. And if I see extremism from the right I will rail on that too. But I haven’t seen any. As a matter of fact the right has moved closer to me over the last decade while the left has gone batshit. 
 

when In doubt I favor smaller govt and more economic America first policy. I support whoever wants to end and not get involved in wars and protect our borders. So therefore republicans are the only option 

Like I said. You guys all love the Republican party at this point in the cycle. Then you'll get pissed when they don't ever give you what you want, but you've staked your claim in a losing effort because so few people actually support what you stand for, a third party option is not viable.

Congrats, I guess?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

20 hours ago, WatsonRules said:

Like I said. You guys all love the Republican party at this point in the cycle. Then you'll get pissed when they don't ever give you what you want, but you've staked your claim in a losing effort because so few people actually support what you stand for, a third party option is not viable.

Congrats, I guess?

I’ve been pissed at both parties after voting for both parties my entire life. I always vote for the candidate I find best 

I’d rather support a losing effort than a winning effort that supports full term abortions and child trafficking as well as pro war and open borders 

where did I say a 3rd party is viable?  And who is the 3rd part candidate?

[jonmx 2,424]

3 hours ago, WatsonRules said:

The whataboutism is strong with this group.

You are not one of those people who are too stupid not to realize our entire legal system centers around  whataboutisms.  That is why case precedence are so important and are used in every court case.  And why we fought a war to establish equal protection under the law.  And why our symbol for our legal system. Is a blindfolded lady holding out a balance. 

Our laws are supposed to be applied equally and fairly.  You authoritarian low-life bastards want to have a corrupt system which only prosecutes those who disagree with your views.  

[thegeneral 2,889]

Caught a portion of an interview on CNN yesterday. He’s a good talker. They spent a lot of time hung up some comment about arming citizens in Taiwan or something which was a dumb back and forth. I blame the interviewer for that.  Was too quick to complain about media when asked questions which was annoying but a minor complaint for at least that interview.

They were talking about Taiwan and China and he was flippantly talking about putting warships in the  Taiwan Straight and how he will decouple Russia from China but the interviewer kept asking about guns in Taiwan. Was a dumb exchange and took up like 5 minutes. 

What struck me is he’s very young which can be an asset but he’s also overly hyper and a little goofy. Some gravitas is needed or just take a breath. Only a first impression so will see more in debates and as this whole thing ramps up.

I can’t see him getting the nomination but look forward to watching the debates and how his campaign unfolds. 

[RLLD 4,143]

20 hours ago, WatsonRules said:

Interesting takes

Dude seems really smart, unsure of himself in some instances, but generally pretty confident about his ideas.

Pardoning Trump is going to be a hard sell to independent and swing voters.

Getting rid of some inefficient government agencies is a good idea, but what do you replace the CIA, FBI, IRS, EPA, etc with? His ideas for what to do post-these agencies are limited at best.

He's essentially a libertarian running as a Republican. Libertarians are popular at this stage of campaigns (Ron Paul, anyone?) because their fock the government stance is what people want to hear, especially when their party is not in charge. Tear it all down is not a viable governing philosophy.

I have a BIG problem with this pardoning nonsense.  That alone could cause me to not vote for him.  But I am also more than a little concerned with his solution for eliminating the FBI.  He has suggested using Marshalls to replace them. I have low confidence in that as a solution, though I am entirely supportive of eliminating the FBI......

He is an interesting candidate, flawed of course, but I am more and more receptive to him. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

20 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Why is it whenever somebody says center left I immediately stop listening?

 

WatsonRules = timschochet

He's using the same patterns as he did with the other place, when he's not getting enough attention with his "main account", then he uses aliases to try to support his positions or continue to try to bait people. 

The part that really disturbed people is sometimes Tim would argue with his own aliases in public at the "other place"  Sometimes in extended fashion. Maybe he thought it would make everything seem "authentic" in his own mind. 

What explains this all is Tim never posts anything he really believes. Once people can accept that about Tim, then his game is easy to figure out. All Tim wants is attention, as much attention as possible, and will take any "position" that gets him that. He could get attention by providing value and having something interesting to say, but he lacks that capability.  Since he has no interesting thoughts and opinions, all he can do is treat every place he goes like a personal toilet. Which is why he literally ran "the other place" into the ground. Almost completely by himself. 

[thegeneral 2,889]

37 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

WatsonRules = timschochet

He's using the same patterns as he did with the other place, when he's not getting enough attention with his "main account", then he uses aliases to try to support his positions or continue to try to bait people. 

The part that really disturbed people is sometimes Tim would argue with his own aliases in public at the "other place"  Sometimes in extended fashion. Maybe he thought it would make everything seem "authentic" in his own mind. 

What explains this all is Tim never posts anything he really believes. Once people can accept that about Tim, then his game is easy to figure out. All Tim wants is attention, as much attention as possible, and will take any "position" that gets him that. He could get attention by providing value and having something interesting to say, but he lacks that capability.  Since he has no interesting thoughts and opinions, all he can do is treat every place he goes like a personal toilet. Which is why he literally ran "the other place" into the ground. Almost completely by himself. 

Some scandalous claims @timschochet and @WatsonRules

[Mike Hunt 261]

Bottom line is Biden is really slowing down and can`t do another term, slurring, repeating fables. trouble walking, and Trump is unelectable   

We need younger candidates to step up on both sides.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

Bottom line is Biden is really slowing down and can`t do another term, slurring, repeating fables. trouble walking, and Trump is unelectable   

We need younger candidates to step up on both sides.

Trump is electable, he has already done it once.  If we want better, and I think we can do better, then yes....we need some fresh blood.  This guy seems to mostly fit the bill, but a few of his positions give me pause.

I might suggest that a Democrat candidate dedicated to actual unity and in opposition to the racist "woke" dogma would be a force to be reckoned with. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Trump is electable, he has already done it once.  If we want better, and I think we can do better, then yes....we need some fresh blood.  This guy seems to mostly fit the bill, but a few of his positions give me pause.

I might suggest that a Democrat candidate dedicated to actual unity and in opposition to the racist "woke" dogma would be a force to be reckoned with. 

The democrats wouldn't vote for that. 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

Bottom line is Biden is really slowing down and can`t do another term, slurring, repeating fables. trouble walking, and Trump is unelectable   

We need younger candidates to step up on both sides.

There are WAY too many people that are still willing to vote for Trump.  I'm seeing a lot of people say they want Trump with Vivek as VP.  Ugh.

[RLLD 4,143]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are WAY too many people that are still willing to vote for Trump.  I'm seeing a lot of people say they want Trump with Vivek as VP.  Ugh.

I have heard that as well. I think the "thing" might be whether or not Trump can control his mouth, and if he can....then it will perhaps be how badly thing have become for independents, just how destructive has the Biden economic manuevers been for them.  To date, he has dismissed their pain and told them everything is great, and that means he wont change and at least attempt to make their lives better.  

[seafoam1 2,798]

24 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are WAY too many people that are still willing to vote for Trump.  I'm seeing a lot of people say they want Trump with Vivek as VP.  Ugh.

Good to hear. I'll vote for Trump too. 

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Good to hear. I'll vote for Trump too. 

Why not do better and vote for Vivek?

[jonmx 2,424]

21 hours ago, WatsonRules said:

Like I said. You guys all love the Republican party at this point in the cycle. Then you'll get pissed when they don't ever give you what you want, but you've staked your claim in a losing effort because so few people actually support what you stand for, a third party option is not viable.

Congrats, I guess?

Nobody loves the Republican Party.  There are a lot of establishment elements which keeps the corrupt power structure in place.  That said, what few libertarians who understand the corrupt nature of the federal government resides in the Republican Party.  

The Democrat Party is a completely lost cause which have eliminated any liberal positions which at one time provided the Party with some redeeming qualities.  Today's Democratic Party has shifted to a purely authoritarian party which does not value individual liberties, instead groups people in tiers and hands out rights and privileges according to their hierarchy.  

[seafoam1 2,798]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why not do better and vote for Vivek?

Trump has proven that he has the balls to stand up to the liberal bullshlt without "falling in line" and getting his feelings hurt. Plus I think he was the best president this country has seen given the 100% harassment the liberals throw at republicans. Same with the endless media attacks on republicans. 

[jonmx 2,424]

40 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are WAY too many people that are still willing to vote for Trump.  I'm seeing a lot of people say they want Trump with Vivek as VP.  Ugh.

Trump, Vivek, RFK jr....all good choices.   People who are not establishment puppets and may actually begin to restore the individual freedoms which were once protected by the Constitution.   I hope some of the zombies on the left wake up to the level of corruption before we turn completely into a police state being monitored and controlled 24/7.  

[jonmx 2,424]

12 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Trump has proven that he has the balls to stand up to the liberal bullshlt without "falling in line" and getting his feelings hurt. Plus I think he was the best president this country has seen given the 100% harassment the liberals throw at republicans. Same with the endless media attacks on republicans. 

It is not liberals.  There is nothing liberal about wokism.  It is a tool of the authoritarian police state.  Trump needs to stand up to the FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS and the entire corrupt agencies within the executive branch.  That is the power structure of the real enemies of the American people.  

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Trump, Vivek, RFK jr....all good choices.   People who are not establishment puppets and may actually begin to restore the individual freedoms which were once protected by the Constitution.   I hope some of the zombies on the left wake up to the level of corruption before we turn completely into a police state being monitored and controlled 24/7.  

Trump is too divisive.  We need someone new and younger.

[seafoam1 2,798]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump is too divisive.  We need someone new and younger.

People hating Trump doesn't male Trump divisive. That is the wrong adjective.

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

People hating Trump doesn't male Trump divisive. That is the wrong adjective.

No, it's very accurate.  Why do you think people hate Trump?

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No, it's very accurate.  Why do you think people hate Trump?

Because they want power and total authoritarian control amd want a puppet like biden in the White House. A liberal woke lying fock. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Lightweight mounting a vanity campaign for whatever other purpose.

Best candidates on that side are Tim Scott and Nikki Hayley. DeSantis too, of course, but he will never pass the likability test. Plus he’s a fascist.

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Because they want power and total authoritarian control amd want a puppet like biden in the White House. A liberal woke lying fock. 

That’s what Americans want?

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That’s what Americans want?

The liberals. Yes. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

Vivek will not accept a VP offer 

[jonmx 2,424]

59 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump is too divisive.  We need someone new and younger.

Everybody is divisive.  I don't really care.  I just want our friggin country back and i don't care if brain-dead idiots are offended.