Justice Department sues SpaceX

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/world/spacex-justice-department-lawsuit-hiring-scn/index.html

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The US Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against SpaceX, the Elon Musk-run rocket and spacecraft company with extensive government contracts, for allegedly discriminating against refugees in its hiring practices.

The suit claims that “from at least September 2018 to May 2022, SpaceX routinely discouraged asylees and refugees from applying and refused to hire or consider them, because of their citizenship status, in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA),” according to an August 24 DOJ news release.

What an interesting move on the part of the DOJ.  

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Nice to see they have their priorities.  

[Strike 5,544]

Another political prosecution.  BTW, NASA's website specifically says you must be a U.S. citizen to work for NASA.

[Cdub100 3,908]

Let's be clear. Elon hirers the BEST people not people who check boxes.

[KSB2424 3,148]

So he employed Americans with good jobs, therefore is sued by the government?  What in the world is going on?

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31 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

So he employed Americans with good jobs, therefore is sued by the government?  What in the world is going on?

Americans are evil.   Well, white men are evil, apparently.  Unless you self flagellate yourself because some moron 100 years ago was a meaner to people....

If you do not follow the doctrine of The Party....fall in line with Liberal religious edicts...... then you are an enemy.   And anything they want to do, whether it is justice or right or legal......is completely OK, do as you please to the non-believers....ruin them for their defiance to The Party. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Murders in Philadelphia through the roof and this is what the DOJ is up to. 

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I hope they turn around and sue the Justice department what kind of insane dumbassery is this where our own Justice department thinks it’s ok to sue an American company that won’t hire anyone but US citizens like they’re SUPPOSED to do  

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But but but...."ILLEGALS MATTER"!!

 

552,830 Americans are homeless and needlessly suffering tonight

1 in every 588 Americans is homeless.

194,467 people will sleep on the street across the USA tonight (HUD 2018).

7% are unaccompanied youth under 25 (HUD 2018).

7% are veterans (HUD 2018

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Boy that seems like a dumb move by DOJ

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Boy that seems like a dumb move by DOJ

Elon is a threat so he is singled out and they “find” something, anything they can.  Interpret law’s differently than past precedent, twist narratives, any means necessary.  

Same thing they’ve been going after Donald Trump the day after he was elected years ago.  Attorney Generals ran campaigns on it, not even knowing what charges they’d later file, but they promised to find something. 

Arms of the government going after individuals to……find “crimes”.  Not really how it’s supposed to work.  

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Elon tried to hire non americans and was told that because it had govt contracts, it COULD NOT

 

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9 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Elon tried to hire non americans and was told that because it had govt contracts, it COULD NOT

 

This is of course nothing to do with actual hiring practices. It is a power move to threaten Musk.....he has strayed from the liberal cult, this is simply something of a warning, a reminder if you will, that the government is power....power that can harm you if it chooses. 

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is of course nothing to do with actual hiring practices. It is a power move to threaten Musk.....he has strayed from the liberal cult, this is simply something of a warning, a reminder if you will, that the government is power....power that can harm you if it chooses. 

Weird

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6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Weird

What’s that have to do with it?

[thegeneral 3,214]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

What’s that have to do with it?

I thought Google rigged the election for the Democrats?

 

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I thought Google rigged the election for the Democrats?

 

Again what the fock does this have to do with the musk lawsuit. It isn’t that complex of a question 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Again what the fock does this have to do with the musk lawsuit. It isn’t that complex of a question 

The DOJ isn’t persecuting Elon.Everything isn’t some deepstate bullshet. They are alleging he broke some hiring laws. He’ll pay a fine and move on.

They sued Facebook for some discriminatory ad practices as well last year. 

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

The DOJ isn’t persecuting Elon.Everything isn’t some deepstate bullshet. They are alleging he broke some hiring laws. He’ll pay a fine and move on.

They sued Facebook for some discriminatory ad practices as well last year. 

Except Elon has requested to hire people who aren’t citizens and they said no because it falls under national security guidelines. And now they are suing him for not hiring non citizens 

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5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Except Elon has requested to hire people who aren’t citizens and they said no because it falls under national security guidelines. And now they are suing him for not hiring non citizens 

Not sure about your point and how that played out but if I understand this they are saying SpaceX was applying hiring laws incorrectly it also mentioned something about taking efforts to discourage. This is from the DOJ:

In job postings and public statements over several years, SpaceX wrongly claimed that under federal regulations known as “export control laws,” SpaceX could hire only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, sometimes referred to as “green card holders.” Export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions. Moreover, asylees’ and refugees’ permission to live and work in the United States does not expire, and they stand on equal footing with U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents under export control laws. Under these laws, companies like SpaceX can hire asylees and refugees for the same positions they would hire U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. And once hired, asylees and refugees can access export-controlled information and materials without additional government approval, just like U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

The department’s lawsuit alleges that SpaceX discriminated against asylees and refugees based on citizenship status at multiple stages of the hiring process. For example:

SpaceX discouraged asylees and refugees from applying for open positions, through public announcements, job applications and other online recruiting communications that excluded asylees and refugees.

SpaceX failed to fairly consider applications submitted by asylees and refugees.

SpaceX refused to hire qualified asylee and refugee applicants and repeatedly rejected asylee and refugee applicants because of their citizenship status.

SpaceX hired only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, from September 2018 to September 2020.

SpaceX recruits and hires for a variety of positions, including welders, cooks, crane operators, baristas and dishwashers, as well as information technology specialists, software engineers, business analysts, rocket engineers and marketing professionals. The jobs at issue in the lawsuit are not limited to those that require advanced degrees. 

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Good little sheep you are. Jump behind your govt propaganda 

No company is required to hire anyone 

I don’t see why you have a problem with only hiring citizens though

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Good little sheep you are. Jump behind your govt propaganda 

No company is required to hire anyone 

Yawn.

It appears they are being sued for completely excluding people. Any company would get this treatment.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

The DOJ goes after parents at school board meetings and Catholics. This isn’t surprising.  Elon is the grinch that stole Twitter from them. Liberals have been crying for decades about Joe McCarthy going after communists. They make him look like an amateur. 

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7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yawn.

It appears they are being sued for completely excluding people. Any company would get this treatment.

 

Cool ill look for the letter in the mail

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Cool ill look for the letter in the mail

I’m happy to see you understand the issue at hand now.

 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

I’m happy to see you understand the issue at hand now.

 

They don’t do this to every company is the point. They definitely don’t like Elon and his open platform. It’s bad for the dnc 

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

They don’t do this to every company is the point. They definitely don’t like Elon and his open platform. It’s bad for the dnc 

And back to my original post. The DoJ sued Google this summer and Facebook in 2021. SpaceX isn’t special apparently, 

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

And back to my original post. The DoJ sued Google this summer and Facebook in 2021. SpaceX isn’t special apparently, 

Yep prob cause they finally let the hunter story show up 

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49 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The DOJ isn’t persecuting Elon.Everything isn’t some deepstate bullshet. They are alleging he broke some hiring laws. He’ll pay a fine and move on.

They sued Facebook for some discriminatory ad practices as well last year. 

So when are they suing NASA?

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25 minutes ago, Strike said:

So when are they suing NASA?

I am not a lawyer familiar with hiring laws but it seems that some jobs require US citizenship and some do not. SpaceX was improperly applying these laws to jobs they were hiring for.

if I had to guess I would think this has to do with NASA being a government agency and deals with sensitive tech therefore the extra scrutiny. 

As opposed to the DOJ suing a high profile company very publicly over something that is clearly not against the law. 

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Yes we know communists have taken control of all of our formally trusted institutions. Destroying their enemies is the ultimate goal. The useless idiots that pull the D lever without fail are totally OK with it. 

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16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I am not a lawyer familiar with hiring laws but it seems that some jobs require US citizenship and some do not. SpaceX was improperly applying these laws to jobs they were hiring for.

if I had to guess I would think this has to do with NASA being a government agency and deals with sensitive tech therefore the extra scrutiny. 

NASA and spaceX work closely together.  SpaxeX will have to follow the same rules as NASA.  As the following article points out Tesla has a huge non US citizen workforce:

https://www.firstpost.com/world/techtalk-nasa-doesnt-employ-foreigners-but-us-has-sued-elon-musk-for-not-hiring-immigrants-at-spacex-13040182.html

It seems like at most the government should have just told SpaceX they were wrong about the law and to go ahead and start hiring foreigners/refugees.  But SpaceX isn't wrong.  This is a political lawsuit and one I suspect will backfire on the government. 

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15 minutes ago, Strike said:

NASA and spaceX work closely together.  SpaxeX will have to follow the same rules as NASA.  As the following article points out Tesla has a huge non US citizen workforce:

https://www.firstpost.com/world/techtalk-nasa-doesnt-employ-foreigners-but-us-has-sued-elon-musk-for-not-hiring-immigrants-at-spacex-13040182.html

It seems like at most the government should have just told SpaceX they were wrong about the law and to go ahead and start hiring foreigners/refugees.  But SpaceX isn't wrong.  This is a political lawsuit and one I suspect will backfire on the government. 

Perhaps DOJ will lose who knows. I suspect Spacex will pay a fine, like Facebook did and move on. We’ll see.

If I understand correctly there are specific laws for hiring into certain jobs that deal with tech and things related to national security. The lawsuit is saying they were not applying the law in recent hires properly. It specifically mentions non-tech jobs like welding, cooks, business analysts among other jobs.

I am offering that people are looking for stuff that is not there. The DOJ sued Google, Facebook, is looking at Apple and no one said boo. But they mess with Elon over some hiring practicesand it’s deepstate!

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12 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Elon is a threat so he is singled out and they “find” something, anything they can.  Interpret law’s differently than past precedent, twist narratives, any means necessary.  

Same thing they’ve been going after Donald Trump the day after he was elected years ago.  Attorney Generals ran campaigns on it, not even knowing what charges they’d later file, but they promised to find something. 

Arms of the government going after individuals to……find “crimes”.  Not really how it’s supposed to work.  

Well I don’t agree as to Trump, but you’re probably right as to Musk. Which does cast suspicion on the Trump charges, yes. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The DOJ goes after parents at school board meetings and Catholics. This isn’t surprising.  Elon is the grinch that stole Twitter from them. Liberals have been crying for decades about Joe McCarthy going after communists. They make him look like an amateur. 

It"s funny how stupid the liberal voters are. They have no idea of what they are supporting. In the end, if they keep winning elections, everyone is focked.

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well I don’t agree as to Trump, but you’re probably right as to Musk. Which does cast suspicion on the Trump charges, yes. 

Was this also suspect?

 

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11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It"s funny how stupid the liberal voters are. They have no idea of what they are supporting. In the end, if they keep winning elections, everyone is focked.

Yes. Even them. I can see not voting for Trump. Got it. But any other democrat that holds national office? You gotta be kidding me. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Was this also suspect?

 

No I don’t think so, I thought musk should’ve been investigated and likely charged back then for SEC violations. But that is a different issue 

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Watch a documentary on space x.  All races and genders appear.

Stoopid

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

No I don’t think so, I thought musk should’ve been investigated and likely charged back then for SEC violations. But that is a different issue 

What is suspect about this current suit?