Ilhan Omar breaks down in fit of rage aimed at Biden, Democrat leadership over support for Israel

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

25 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Revolution has existed for all of recorded history.  Our country exists thanks to revolution.  It’s not dangerous ideology.  In fact, it’s not an ideology at all.  It’s a mournful realization.  If the government is broken, power won’t be wrested from office-holders any other way.  That’s how it is.

100%.  Those in power will stop at nothing to keep that power.  They aren't giving it up until we take it back.

For example, one AOC herself.   The "for the people" Marxist that got elected?  Yeah, it was all about the little man until she got into Congress.  Now she's living the high life, going to celebrity parties, MAKING MONEY, driving nice cars, lives in an exclusive area of DC and on and on.  She's not giving ANY of that up, but you?  Yeah, you're going to be giving it up in spades.  Rules for thee, but not for me.

It will absolutely have to be wrested back.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

33 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Revolution has existed for all of recorded history.  Our country exists thanks to revolution.  It’s not dangerous ideology.  In fact, it’s not an ideology at all.  It’s a mournful realization.  If the government is broken, power won’t be wrested from office-holders any other way.  That’s how it is.

Revolution to what? You want a different system of government than democracy?

That’s what makes your mindset extremely dangerous. Either you are anti-democracy, or you just don’t like what democracy yields so you want to impose your own will by force and blood. Either one is very dangerous and you really need to check yourself on how extreme you have become 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

100%.  Those in power will stop at nothing to keep that power.  They aren't giving it up until we take it back.

For example, one AOC herself.   The "for the people" Marxist that got elected?  Yeah, it was all about the little man until she got into Congress.  Now she's living the high life, going to celebrity parties, MAKING MONEY, driving nice cars, lives in an exclusive area of DC and on and on.  She's not giving ANY of that up, but you?  Yeah, you're going to be giving it up in spades.  Rules for thee, but not for me.

It will absolutely have to be wrested back.

Yeah, so you vote them out. That’s called democracy.

And if your fellow citizens choose to keep them in, you have to live by that. That’s called being a good citizen in a democracy.

But you don’t think you should have to. That makes you dangerous, at least assuming that democratic self government is the desirable form of government 

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah, so you vote them out. That’s called democracy.

And if your fellow citizens choose to keep them in, you have to live by that. That’s called being a good citizen in a democracy.

But you don’t think you should have to. That makes you dangerous, at least assuming that democratic self government is the desirable form of government 

Not when your gerrymandering districts and rigging elections.  Like I said, they will do ANYTHING to keep that power.

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Revolution to what? You want a different system of government than democracy?

That’s what makes your mindset extremely dangerous. Either you are anti-democracy, or you just don’t like what democracy yields so you want to impose your own will by force and blood. Either one is very dangerous and you really need to check yourself on how extreme you have become 

We don't live in a democracy.  The Greeks tried it, it failed.  

We live in a democratic republic, or representative democracy.  I draw this distinction because I'm increasingly thinking that our system is ultimately doomed if we do not change the way our elected representatives benefit from their offices.  The simplest way to upset that apple cart would be term limits.  

[Nomad99 744]

7 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

I have no idea. They are bad and need Trump to call them out, but no one is as bad as the democrats in this country. From top to bottom.

What's the over/under for Biden getting 140,000,000 votes this time??

[Nomad99 744]

12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah, so you vote them out. That’s called democracy.

And if your fellow citizens choose to keep them in, you have to live by that. That’s called being a good citizen in a democracy.

But you don’t think you should have to. That makes you dangerous, at least assuming that democratic self government is the desirable form of government 

It's painful that you don't know we are a Democratic Republic

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We don't live in a democracy.  The Greeks tried it, it failed.  

We live in a democratic republic, or representative democracy.  I draw this distinction because I'm increasingly thinking that our system is ultimately doomed if we do not change the way our elected representatives benefit from their offices.  The simplest way to upset that apple cart would be term limits.  

I agree with the first part. Strongly disagree with the second. Politicians have benefited from their offices since the start of the republic. There’s been corruption forever. Somehow our pluralistic system still survives. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah, so you vote them out. That’s called democracy.

And if your fellow citizens choose to keep them in, you have to live by that. That’s called being a good citizen in a democracy.

But you don’t think you should have to. That makes you dangerous, at least assuming that democratic self government is the desirable form of government 

Also, we don't live in a Democracy. 

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12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Revolution to what? You want a different system of government than democracy?

That’s what makes your mindset extremely dangerous. Either you are anti-democracy, or you just don’t like what democracy yields so you want to impose your own will by force and blood. Either one is very dangerous and you really need to check yourself on how extreme you have become 

You may have noted, or may have not, that I hardly participate in the political threads here.  There is no posting history here that will show me changing to an extremist mindset.  What I can tell you is that I haven’t “become” anything.  I’ve seen since I was 25 that power will have to be taken from our federal government.  It won’t be ceded and we won’t get where we should be through elections.  

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

@IGotWorms mistakenly wrote that we are a democracy. But his overall point is correct, We resolve our issues at the ballot box and through free speech and peaceful protest and not through violence. Violence is unacceptable. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

2 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

You may have noted, or may have not, that I hardly participate in the political threads here.  There is no posting history here that will show me changing to an extremist mindset.  What I can tell you is that I haven’t “become” anything.  I’ve seen since I was 25 that power will have to be taken from our federal government.  It won’t be ceded and we won’t get where we should be through elections.  

It won’t be. The federal government is not oppressing you. 

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4 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

You may have noted, or may have not, that I hardly participate in the political threads here.  There is no posting history here that will show me changing to an extremist mindset.  What I can tell you is that I haven’t “become” anything.  I’ve seen since I was 25 that power will have to be taken from our federal government.  It won’t be ceded and we won’t get where we should be through elections.  

Believe me, if the shoe was on the other foot and the media, journalists, hollywood and pretty much every institution we have carried water for the GOP like they do for the DNC now,  he absolutely would be screaming revolution as if he was Fidel Castro.

It's easy to take a pious and virtuous position when it's your side rigging things to stay in power.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It won’t be. The federal government is not oppressing you. 

Tell that to all the people who go got fired that refused a shot in the arm you totalitarian pr!ck. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Tell that to all the people who go got fired that refused a shot in the arm you totalitarian pr!ck. 

They weren’t oppressed either. When there is a nationwide pandemic the role of the government is to protect as many folks as possible. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They weren’t oppressed either. When there is a nationwide pandemic the role of the government is to protect as many folks as possible. 

Yeah phuck you

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah phuck you

That’s for the dialogue! 

[seafoam1 3,031]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They weren’t oppressed either. When there is a nationwide pandemic the role of the government is to protect as many folks as possible. 

Yeah, stick the sick people in the old folks homes. 

You liberals are all idiots and you will believe anything creepy pedo joe and cnn tells you.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s for the dialogue! 

You’re a piece of sh!t and a garbage person. You deserve nothing more than contempt.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

31 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We don't live in a democracy.  The Greeks tried it, it failed.  

We live in a democratic republic, or representative democracy.  I draw this distinction because I'm increasingly thinking that our system is ultimately doomed if we do not change the way our elected representatives benefit from their offices.  The simplest way to upset that apple cart would be term limits.  

Okay that’s fine. So pass a law with term limits or do a constitutional amendment if you have to. No need to have this twisted fantasy of a violent revolution. That’s the beauty of democracy—if you can get enough people to agree with you, then the law can be changed 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@IGotWorms mistakenly wrote that we are a democracy. But his overall point is correct, We resolve our issues at the ballot box and through free speech and peaceful protest and not through violence. Violence is unacceptable. 

I didn’t mistake anything. It’s just a dumb quibble unless someone is claiming we should be an actual pure democracy? Of course not, that could never work. So it’s shorthand and it’s silly and childish to make an issue out of that 

[jerryskids 6,799]

49 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with the first part. Strongly disagree with the second. Politicians have benefited from their offices since the start of the republic. There’s been corruption forever. Somehow our pluralistic system still survives. 

As an alleged student of history, I'm surprised that you are honestly proposing that the attitude and perks of the original legislators are comparable to today.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As an alleged student of history, I'm surprised that you are honestly proposing that the attitude and perks of the original legislators are comparable to today.

Why wouldn’t elected representatives have perks and prestige?

I mean, if you’re a US Senator, you’ve been entrusted by your fellow citizens to do a really important job for them, and represent hundreds of thousands or millions or even tens of millions of people in the highest legislative body in the land. Yeah, that’s gonna carry some weight.

Not that I’m against term limits, mind you — I think that’s a good idea for Congress and the Supreme Court. But I don’t see anything inherently wrong with those being highly sought after and coveted offices 

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Why wouldn’t elected representatives have perks and prestige?

I mean, if you’re a US Senator, you’ve been entrusted by your fellow citizens to do a really important job for them, and represent hundreds of thousands or millions or even tens of millions of people in the highest legislative body in the land. Yeah, that’s gonna carry some weight.

Not that I’m against term limits, mind you — I think that’s a good idea for Congress and the Supreme Court. But I don’t see anything inherently wrong with those being highly sought after and coveted offices 

I presume you aren't arguing my initial point to Tim, that perks and prestige are much higher now than they were?  US Senators "merit" that prestige you mention for the very reasons we are having this discussion:  the federal government has grown from the original perception of a body of respected community members taking a term to go help govern with limited, enumerated powers, to the bloated, multi-trillion dollar machine we have today.

That all being said, I'd love to pay elected officials more.  Heck, I think part-time Door Dash drivers make more than our state reps in AZ.  Unfortunately you often get what you pay for, and in our state we have some real winners for legislators.   

Even your example of US Senators:  they make $174K per year.  That's not a salary for someone representing millions of people.  I made more than that most years.  I'd rather pay them $500K, $1M, or more, so we attract the best and brightest, and those not looking to make money other ways.

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9 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

We need to remove these anti-American, America hating POS communists from our legislatures.  

They would just replace her with Democrats that were smart enough not to say the things she says. Better they leave her in and people in the middle see what kind of idiots they are and vote the other way.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

They weren’t oppressed either. When there is a nationwide pandemic the role of the government is to protect as many folks as possible. 

Most government employees were exempt , read between the lines

[HellToupee 1,778]

Perks  

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with the first part. Strongly disagree with the second. Politicians have benefited from their offices since the start of the republic. There’s been corruption forever. Somehow our pluralistic system still survives. 

I find it interesting that a progressive such as yourself, one who insists we as a society are constantly marching forward would defend corruption as something which will not cahnge because it is historically rooted.   Lots of atrocities now gone were historically rooted yet reform was demanded and often achieved.  

[shorepatrol 1,870]

7 hours ago, wiffleball said:

 AOC can more than hold her own on the floor. 

 

Pretty damn impressive for a bartender. 

 

 

You can't be serious. I had the impression you were smarter than that comment. Hook, line and sinker you've swallowed. JFC 

[seafoam1 3,031]

17 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

You can't be serious. I had the impression you were smarter than that comment. Hook, line and sinker you've swallowed. JFC 

I give you credit for even replying to that.

Buden can handle his own too.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I find it interesting that a progressive such as yourself, one who insists we as a society are constantly marching forward would defend corruption as something which will not cahnge because it is historically rooted.   Lots of atrocities now gone were historically rooted yet reform was demanded and often achieved.  

First off I’m not a progressive. Never have been. I’m a Democrat, for the moment, because I side more with them than I do Republicans. I am a globalist, a capitalist, and pro-establishment. 
 

Next I am not defending corruption. I’m only suggesting that those like @jerryskids who believes that it is worse now than it was 100 or 200 years ago are not paying much attention to history. I don’t think it’s going to destroy the republic.