Mass Shooting at Perry Iowa H.S., Multiple injuries. Suspect identified. No further danger to public.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

He already rescues cats, what more do you want from him? 

 

Yeah. He’s a busy guy. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

So California just had some new laws start up on 1/1 regarding gun control. 

You can no longer concealed carry into places like movie theaters, schools, libraries, and a few other places. These are the places that *typically* get shooters. Now, these locations are even LESS protected by randoms with their legally obtained CCW license to try and fight back. 

Not sure if that means it's more or less safe. 

I know that putting up "GUN FREE ZONE" signs really seems to help, those are usually around schools. (sarcasm) 

My problem is twofold:

1.  IMO a CC license is way to easy too obtain.  There should be more training involved to qualify to have one.  Other than that, I have 0 issues with the idea.  

2.  This seems to be the primary solution for a lot of people, but IMO it's too little too late.   This is like arming schools and other solutions - it's reactionary and not proactive.   To me you have lost the overall battle if we still have a system where that loon is walking into the theater to kill a bunch of people with guns.   

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Anyone who favors gun rights should feel responsible, since they're the reason this happens 

No. That’s not fair 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Anyone who favors gun rights should feel responsible, since they're the reason this happens.

I have no blood on my conscious.

Anyone that feels mentally ill people suffering from gender dysphoria should be allowed in the general population should feel responsible, since these are largely the people holding the guns lately.  

[HellToupee 1,776]

4 hours ago, squistion said:

 

 

[HellToupee 1,776]

#squisssyupdate

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

17 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

My problem is twofold:

1.  IMO a CC license is way to easy too obtain.  There should be more training involved to qualify to have one.  Other than that, I have 0 issues with the idea.  

2.  This seems to be the primary solution for a lot of people, but IMO it's too little too late.   This is like arming schools and other solutions - it's reactionary and not proactive.   To me you have lost the overall battle if we still have a system where that loon is walking into the theater to kill a bunch of people with guns.   

1.  In CA it's easy, or other places? 

2. I don't think it's like arming schools, I don't think that's a great idea. I'd be really interested in seeing studies of states that have fewer gun control laws, open carry etc and see what their stats look like. Not saying that they'd be better or worse, just what the numbers actually show. 

Anyways, I am just not always for "more gun control" because it's criminals who do this stuff, law abiding citizens are punished with more gun control. Criminals don't give a fock about laws, esp when they are arrested and let back out right away. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

I always get confused.  Is this an original boy  pretending to be a girl or Vice versa?

[HellToupee 1,776]

I really think Riley is correct. The media and government play a part in this. 

 

[HellToupee 1,776]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

I always get confused.  Is this an original boy  pretending to be a girl or Vice versa?

That’s how the gender fluid person feels too. These people need help and support but are being pushed down by the government and state run media. It’s disgusting 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

That’s how the gender fluid person feels too. These people need help and support but are being pushed down by the government and state run media. It’s disgusting 

They are being used by those parties is my feeling.  

[MDC 7,425]

Was the shooter even identified yet?  

[HellToupee 1,776]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Was the shooter even identified yet?  

Yes

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[HellToupee 1,776]

I feel for the shooters parents and friends. These people need help and are being pushed into a box

[BuckSwope 654]

15 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

1.  In CA it's easy, or other places? 

2. I don't think it's like arming schools, I don't think that's a great idea. I'd be really interested in seeing studies of states that have fewer gun control laws, open carry etc and see what their stats look like. Not saying that they'd be better or worse, just what the numbers actually show. 

Anyways, I am just not always for "more gun control" because it's criminals who do this stuff, law abiding citizens are punished with more gun control. Criminals don't give a fock about laws, esp when they are arrested and let back out right away. 

1.  Imo everywhere.  I glanced at CA and didn't see details on the specific training for the initial class, but the renewal was I believe a 4 hour class.  Doesn't seem like a high bar to clear to me for that privilege. 

[MDC 7,425]

10 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Yes

Thanks. The police haven’t identified the shooter yet. Seems a little premature to assume he was trans, but that’s where we are now. 

[Ron_Artest 1,527]

MAGAturds having a party over this one.  Sad.  The bodies are still warm, maybe hold off on your hate.

[lickin_starfish 1,937]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

1.  Imo everywhere.  I glanced at CA and didn't see details on the specific training for the initial class, but the renewal was I believe a 4 hour class.  Doesn't seem like a high bar to clear to me for that privilege. 

It's not a privilege, it's a right.

[HellToupee 1,776]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

MAGAturds having a party over this one.  Sad.  The bodies are still warm, maybe hold off on your hate.

You sound like a gun owner 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

MAGAturds having a party over this one.  Sad.  The bodies are still warm, maybe hold off on your hate.

Thoughts and Prayers. Right Boyo?  
 

[squistion 2,201]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

MAGAturds having a party over this one.  Sad.  The bodies are still warm, maybe hold off on your hate.

Let them have their fun. They don't have a whole lot to cheer about these days.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

Turns out we DO need more gun control - for liberals and lefties.   They're the ones shooting places up but, like liberals and lefties, they're accusing other people of doing the behavior they, in fact, are doing.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Let them have their fun. They don't have a whole lot to cheer about these days.

You two gender queers should get a room - a room with NO guns please.  We don't want another shooting.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Turns out we DO need more gun control - for liberals and lefties.   They're the ones shooting places up but, like liberals and lefties, they're accusing other people of doing the behavior they, in fact, are doing.

We don’t have a gun problem.  We have a trannie problem.  

[cyclone24 1,913]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You two gender queers should get a room - a room with NO guns please.  We don't want another shooting.

Exactly. I don’t have sympathy for these people. They are the ones that normalized all of this to the point where kids go and think they’re focking cats at school and want to be provided a cat box. Liberals normalized this nonsense where mental disorders are just considered who they are and we should all accept it. We didn’t accept it….you did and this is what we get for it.  
Instead of telling little Dylan, it was OK that he put on dresses and called himself Susie maybe take him to a therapist

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

This is so sad.  I fear for my kids every day that they may not come home at night because someone used the wrong pronouns.  We need to ban transgender kids from public schools ASAP.  If their parents think they are so wonderful, then homeschool them. 

[MDC 7,425]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. I don’t have sympathy for these people. They are the ones that normalized all of this to the point where kids go and think they’re focking cats at school and want to be provided a cat box.

You realize this was made up right?

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. I don’t have sympathy for these people. They are the ones that normalized all of this to the point where kids go and think they’re focking cats at school and want to be provided a cat box. Liberals normalized this nonsense where mental disorders are just considered who they are and we should all accept it. We didn’t accept it….you did and this is what we get for it.  
Instead of telling little Dylan, it was OK that he put on dresses and called himself Susie maybe take him to a therapist

Urban legend. I don't believe that has happened anywhere.

[HellToupee 1,776]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

Let them have their fun. They don't have a whole lot to cheer about these days.

Sorry Squissy but this isn’t fun. It’s a damn shame . Help these people  If the killer was NRA or MAGA you would have a full head of steam in your pants. And you’re not the only one 

[Ron_Artest 1,527]

7 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. I don’t have sympathy for these people. They are the ones that normalized all of this to the point where kids go and think they’re focking cats at school and want to be provided a cat box. Liberals normalized this nonsense where mental disorders are just considered who they are and we should all accept it. We didn’t accept it….you did and this is what we get for it.  
Instead of telling little Dylan, it was OK that he put on dresses and called himself Susie maybe take him to a therapist

The cat box thing was already disrpoven, and there are no photos of Dylan wearing a dress.  You're a raving lunatic. 

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1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

My problem is twofold:

1.  IMO a CC license is way to easy too obtain.  There should be more training involved to qualify to have one.  Other than that, I have 0 issues with the idea.  

2.  This seems to be the primary solution for a lot of people, but IMO it's too little too late.   This is like arming schools and other solutions - it's reactionary and not proactive.   To me you have lost the overall battle if we still have a system where that loon is walking into the theater to kill a bunch of people with guns.   

not in Cali, even a woman has to prove imminent threat to apply, and wait.  Or have already been a victim

all women should be required to take a self defense class and get their CCW

[cyclone24 1,913]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The cat box thing was already disrpoven, and there are no photos of Dylan wearing a dress.  You're a raving lunatic. 

dISpRoVeN

https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/meade-school-district-students-are-dressing-and-acting-like-cats/37398744

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56 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

it's criminals who do this stuff, law abiding citizens are punished with more gun control. Criminals don't give a fock about laws

Other countries have criminals who don't care about laws. Why don't they have horrid gun violence rates?

[BuckSwope 654]

33 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

It's not a privilege, it's a right.

I disagree when it comes to CC.  I also don't think because something is a right that means it also shouldn't require a level of training and competency in a case like this.  

[BuckSwope 654]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

not in Cali, even a woman has to prove imminent threat to apply, and wait.  Or have already been a victim

all women should be required to take a self defense class and get their CCW

That's not difficult, nor addressing my concern about training and profiency.  That was my main issue, not they have to wait a period of time. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

That's not difficult, nor addressing my concern about training and profiency.  That was my main issue, not they have to wait 30 days. 

oh I am all about everyone being trained continually, as am I, my son and I take significant training, not some state garbage

 

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

oh I am all about everyone being trained continually, as am I, my son and I take significant training, not some state garbage

 

Cool. It should be policy. 

I still don't think its the solution, but it would be an improvement to the current system.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

If this obviously mentally ill kid got his gun legally, I have a problem with that. If he got it from his parents I’d like to see them imprisoned. 

[MDC 7,425]

19 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Other countries have criminals who don't care about laws. Why don't they have horrid gun violence rates?

Lots of counter examples. Gun laws are much more restrictive in Mexico but their gun violence rates are even worse. Private gun ownership is effectively banned in Venezuela and they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.